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maxham
19th October 2008, 16:04
In the Communism history, in my country (Indonesia), Tan Malaka were known as the one of the most brilliant third-way communism, esp. from his masterpiece "Madilog (Materi, Dialektika & Logika)" (Materialism, Dialectism & Logic) book. But What is the meaning of dialectism itself?

Rosa Lichtenstein
19th October 2008, 17:57
I suspect that you have mistranslated, and this should be "dialectic", or "dialectics".

This word refers to a method of reasoning invented (in the 'west') by the ancient Greeks, in which someone would attempt to argue for a certain idea, and then another would attempt to dispute it, and after a series of such engagements, the correct understanding would emerge (in theory). Something similar took place in the 'east'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic

It was taken over by others, but most notably in the 'west' by Immanuel Kant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant

Kant used a version of the dialectic to show that ceratin metaphysical theses (doctrines) came in contrary pairs (for example, that there is a beginning in time, and that there is not; that matter can be divided infinitely, and that it cannot), in order to show that when reason is pushed beyond the confines of expereince, it descends into contradiction.

Hegel took this idea over, but grapsed these contradictions as inherent in thought, but they were not defective since they showed that reality is fundamentally contradictory:

Marx and Engels were heavily influenced by these Hegel, but re-interpeted his method materialistically as a way of trying to understand the flow of history. Engels extended this to help him form a theory about the universe in general (later called 'dialectical materialism').

I have explained this theory some more, and have then demolished it, here:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosa.l/Anti-D_For_Dummies%2001.htm

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosa.l/Why%20I%20Oppose%20DM.htm