Capitalist clothing - Brands, or no brands?

[Palmares]

I was reading the plea of a comrade in another thread (about defending communism) and he brought up the point of clothing. He said he was undermined for wearing brands names. For all those communists (others can respond aswell), do you wear brand names? Do you think it is okay to wear brand names?

Personally, I wear brands names, but I am trying to stop all together. I, like many others, conformed to brand clothing. I was obsessed at one stage... To be honest, I don't care about brands that much, just wear whatever really (brand or not). However, after much guilt and self-realisation, I am better off without such things. The only thing left now is, what to do with the clothes now?

BTW, I suggest that if you want to defend wearing brand names, I think you could just say that you are not a fundamentalist. Just say you don't care what you wear (brand or not). Albeit, if this is not what you think, perhaps you should think about what you do think.

[deathdust]

I'm haven't really got a political orientation to my views but I try to avoid wearing brand names such as ADIDAS and Nike. For me, it's probably to do with individualism.
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[ÑóẊîöʼn]

The only way I manage to wear brand names is through 'hand-me-downs'. I never actually buy brand names. I prefer buying non-brand jeans (Black) cargo trousers and combats.
I'd much rather have hard wearing and comfortable clothes than ones which are'fashionable'.

[apathy maybe]

Really no one should be buying any new clothing at all. (Wait let me qualify that statement before you jump all over me.) If a shirt or trousers has a hole fix it up! If it is out of fashion so what? It is a terrible waste of resources when clothes (and lots of other things) are chucked when they still have lots of wear. Even if you do need more clothes because all yours have fallen to pieces use them as rags and rather then going and getting new ones, go to an op-shop (a charity shop), you can pick up cheap clothes while also supporting what ever the charity is. If it has a hole fix it. Admittedly when we finally get a proper communist society there wont be any op-shops so we will have to get new clothes but until then don't chuck year old clothing and don't buy expensive 'new' clothes. Especially those that only cost $5 to make but when a label gets put on them cost the consumer $30.

[Invader Zim]

I rarley ever were fashonable cloathing, i just cant be arsed to keep up with fashon. I dont see the point. However it is difficult to buy cloaths which dont have brand names. So yes i do, but i do not go out looking for specific cloathing with brand names. If its cheap and fits then i buy it when i need it. That is my basic philosiphy when it comes to cloathing.

[nz revolution]

Labels, lets see... No don't have any although, line me up against a wall, I have a pair of Globe shoes, who else makes size 15 shoes? Anyway they cost $90.

I think I'm going to be fashionable soon, well maybe even now, it seems military clobber is fashionable, I don't have camo...

[Umoja]

If you want to conform to some complicated system of self-discipline to free yourself of capitalism, more power to you, but it only makes life more difficult if you stress over what you wear if your born into a certain society. More or less you do conform to your society, and their isn't to much of a problem with that as long as your aware, and seek to change the problems in it.

[Dirty Commie]

I am not entirley against brand names, as long as they are made in the states, not in a sweat shop. I buy nothing made in a factory by near slave labour.

[the SovieT]

its a stuypid piece of cloth... it only has a stupid brand on it...

Communism isnt about ignore capitalist products nor destroy them,... it is the destruction of what is hazardous for the people in general, the warking class in particulary, and the preservation of what is positive in the capitalist state...
wearing Nike, adidas, XDYE/Pull & Bear etc doesnt make you less communist... nor wearing a "communist" shirt makes you more communist...
i myself wear communist shirts i got from JCP as part of the auto-afirmation plan the party is doing...

I myself go for whats cheaper..
and turns out (some times unfortunaly) that whats cheaper is most of the time more "capitalist" at some extent...
if any of you know Zara entreprise will know what i am talking about...

[mentalbunny]

My clothes are only brand names if nothing lse is available and I need something in particular or if someone else bought it, but I barely ever buy clothes. My current trainers have been worn about 280 days a year for the last 4 years, which is pretty impressive considering the way I treat them! However i don't think they'll last more than another 6 months :sad: i do this with all my clothes, except when I feel that they really don't suit me emotionally (I have strange relationships with my clothes) and then they go to other people, like chartity shops and relatives. Also my snow suit and one of my old jackets went to Eastern Europe, I was quite pleased with that, there are advantages with having Christian parents, chruches are really into that kind of stuff.

The same things actually happen with my cuddly toys. I love them all to pieces but recently I've understood that most of them will be better loved elsewhere and many of them are going across Europe this winter to be loved by kids who've lost everything. I don't mean to sound preachy or pretentious but it really does make me happy, to think that in some way I'm making the world a bit happier. I hope you intrepret that the way I mean it.

[Soul Rebel]

I never have and never will wear name brand clothing. I either make my clothing or buy it at a thrift shop. I cant support brand name clothing and i think its all ugly too.

[Anonymous]

I usually wear plain clothes, flannel, or Nike, though it's not really that important to me. There are much more important things to worry about than fashionl like third world immigration, Islamic fundamentalists, and marxists rot in our universities.

[hazard]

i have never and i will never buy a name brand piece of clothing, i like seinfelds idea of a universal uniform for all of a countries citizens. only possible in communism, of course. for the billion dollar bourgeois fashion industry will all but prevent this noble idea from taking place. nudity, I suppose, is an option in certain climates. but then you have to contend with the dogs of the pigs. nudity or unifroms. preferablly nudity.

[Anonymous]

What right do you have to completely dictate the attire of another? Clothing is often used as a means of expressing oneself, and Universal mandatory uniforms ultimately hinder the expression of individuality.

[hazard]

dc:

exactly. when the cattle herd is brainwashed into spending ten times what an article is worth because they like the automotan gap ads and idiotic ld navy ads, such a right should be banned. gotta get this look? gotta get a fist driven into the side of your head.

fashion sense is dictated by the spin doctors and mind contollers that feed the thoughts into the cattle every time they flip on the tube. as such, what you call dictation I call liberation.

did you know that einstein ONLY had one type of suit? he had like a dozen of the exact same outfits so that he wouldn't waste brain cells ( or whatever ) deciding what to wear. I think he knew what he was talking about.

[Tkinter1]

No one has the right to force everyone into a uniform hazard.

(Edited by Tkinter1 at 3:01 am on April 30, 2003)

[Zombie]

Nobody can argue with the fact that today's society is one of excessive consumerism.
Advertisement, on tv radio or billboards, dictate our choice of food, wearing, music, movies, reading etc...
Hazard's point isn't too far fetched.
You really have to stop watching or listening to publicity if you plan on having tastes of your own, and not corporate dictated ones.
However, I wouldn't go as far as obliging a people to wear the same outfit. No, it would be far too monotonous and sad to see.

... if you like a pair of jeans you just saw in a shop, then take it, no matter if it's branded or not.
my unbranded clothes are actually more comfortable to wear (i love wearing my army shirts) then the few Polo or Armani stuff i have. i wore them once and they've been in the closet ever since. i'm planning to give them away anyhow.

[hazard]

tk:

again, I agree. you seem unable to read what I write. the fashion industry are all responsible for attempting to force people into their uniforms. isn't that what is occuring in their ridiculous ads? dozens of people are wearing the exact same uniform brandishing their corporate logo. nobody has that right, not even the capitalist pigs who are attmepting to do so.

whether you disagree with my and seinfelds conclusion is up to you. the fact remains that it occurs on a daily basis within capitalism. the only difference is that the forced uniform policy of capitalism is only for the benfit of the ruling class, and not those forced into wearing their uniforms.

[Ghost Writer]

I wear whatever does not offend my senses. Most of the time I look for the sale items, but if an article of clothing is desecrated with huge brand names, I will avoid it like the plague. There is nothing more telling about a persons ignorance than the size of the free advertising they are willing to give clothing companies like Hillfiger. Of course, a small logo like Polo, or the Nike emblem on a sweatshirt is fine by me. For pants, I like Dockers, loose jeans, and Old Navy pants. Abercrombie is overpriced, and I prefer American Eagle. The GAP just plain sucks.

[RedComrade]

I wear brand clothes. I wear stuff from pacsun, there was a line of collar shirts from all different brands that I guess didnt sell so hot, they went on clearance and I have like ten of them. I was not as socially conscious when I bought them, they do not logos or brand names on them. I will continue to buy mainstream clothes, avoiding notoriously evil brands such as nike, with a few more political shirts. If this is revisionist too bad, I dont care.

[commieboy]

i agree with most of you, its difficult to buy quality clothing that isnt a brand name. i used to and sometimes do where the dreaded ABERCROMBIE!!! but that new stuf where it looks worn and torn....total bull shit, i try and dress for my mood, if its early and i dont have time to decide i grab a tshirt out of my drawer, and most are some blank ones. but if i want to somehow piss people off, i'll wear my German military shirt, (I got a talk with the school shrink, she thought i was a nazi) but its a modern German military not WW2 era. but i dont wearing somthing that someone had already owned, its not my thing. but i have a motto that i think will solve all problems and when i run for president this will be my campaign slogan, "What Ever Floats Your Boat" where what you want when you want fuck everyone and their thoughts

[hazard]

you know, you capitalist pigs are so fucking stupid.

you argue with me saying nobody has a right to force anybody to wear a uniform. then you don't seem to care when I say that all "name brands" goal is to have everybody wearing ONLY their clothes. so you're wrong here. then, you implicitly defend a system that FORCES people everyday to wear uniforms if they want to keep their job.

typical hypocritical capitalist stupidity. capitalists are permitted day in and out, at work, on tv, in leisure time, to force people to wear not one unifrom but multiple uniforms. and to you the capitalists have every right to force them to do this. stupid fucking idiots.

[Soul Rebel]

Hazard- I totally agree with you.

[T Blair]

Commies don't wear uniforms, eh? Typical hypocritical menshevik stupidity. I have pleaged alligence to Club Monaco; posh, authentic, and super stylish all in one. Fuck these daft looking schmucks that rock gay ass generic brands to try to look homeless. Fuck them to HELL!

[Palmares]

Very mature of you T(ony) Blair...

What are you trying to prove by wearing such clothes? Socio-economic superiority? A life of trying to impress other people sounds soooo.... exciting...

Next time, can you give some sort of LOGICAL thinking behind wearing such clothing.

[hazard]

t blows:

I refer to such communists as "half assed punk communists". they are only socialist as a transition between life stages. a phase, if you will.

[Ghost Writer]

"typical hypocritical capitalist stupidity. capitalists are permitted day in and out, at work, on tv, in leisure time, to force people to wear not one unifrom but multiple uniforms. and to you the capitalists have every right to force them to do this. stupid fucking idiots. "

Hey dumbass,

Nobody is forcing you to stay at a job that requires you to wear a uniform. In fact, I work at a place that does not require me to wear any specific attire. Therefore, I wear what I normally would. If you find yourself wearing a paper hat or a noose, that is your own choice in our society. Clearly, it is this choice that scares you. I hate pussies that can't handle free-will and ask that the state dictate that we wear some sort of plain uniform to make us all appear equal.

I have some more bad news for you, Hazard. Even if we were forced to wear the exact same thing, I would still be better than you. Exactly what would you do to bring me down to your level, if absolute equality is your goal? How would you propose that they level the playing field between you and a mentally handicapped person? I'm sorry, I forgot that you are already on that level. I will try to be more sensitive in the future.

[apathy maybe]

Cthenthar, seriously good.
As to you Ghost Writer, you shouldn't say that people are mentally handicapped, when they obviously are not. However, it may well be that you mentally handicapped otherwise how can we explain you totaly fucked ideas? Wait I shouldn't have said that. You are just misguided. Unless, third option, you don't really care about anyone out side your group. Be that group your family and friends or you country. In that case I feel pity for one who has no empathy with others of the human race.

[T Blair]

Quote: from Cthenthar on 8:08 am on May 1, 2003
Very mature of you T(ony) Blair...

What are you trying to prove by wearing such clothes? Socio-economic superiority? A life of trying to impress other people sounds soooo.... exciting...

Next time, can you give some sort of LOGICAL thinking behind wearing such clothing.


And I quote "Posh, authentic & super stylish all in one." Are you going to attempt to deny the multi-billion dollar fashion industry? Now ask your-self, upon what grounds has the fashion industry became so successful? Could it be society’s overriding obsession with face-value? And in such a society would it not be in my perceived self-interest to put the same emphasis on aesthetes, rather than trying to emulate the homeless? By Hercules, It would! I realize that you’ve grown up convincing yourself it’s what’s on the inside that counts, perhaps to validate an otherwise meaningless existence….but that’s not how it works, junior. I suppose flaunting pseudo-intellect over the message boards would be more productive? Keep it worthless,

[Zombie]

Thx to Blair for pointing out the shallow nature of a true capitalist society... it's all about the looks
no wonder your presidents and movie stars are nothing but nutcases... it's all about the looks
go back to school, kid.

ps: do you have something against the homeless?

.Z.

[Tkinter1]

Nobody is forcing you to dress anyway you don't want to. People choose to dress the way they do.


(Edited by Tkinter1 at 11:09 pm on May 1, 2003)

[Soul Rebel]

Tk: I would have to disagree. The fashion industry and stores are constantly shoving ideas about what is fashionable in our faces. They are setting a standard for everyone. We are basically brainwashed into believing that we have to wear these clothes otherwise we aren't cool or with in the "in" crowd.

If we werent forced into wearing certain clothes then how come everyone basically wears the same clothes. I mean you walk on to any college campus for example and you will find the same shit: all the girls wearing tight pants, uncomfy shoes, tiny tops, etc., and guys wearing baggy pants, a cap, and some shirt with a logo on it.

If we aren't forced into it how come every time the fashion changes everyone follows? This year its the year of retro and everyone is doing it. Next year will be something else and of course everyone will follow.

Its like saying that the West hasn't set a standard of beauty for the rest of the world: wafe thin girls, big boobs, straight hair, etc.

[Tkinter1]

But you can still choose not to follow the trends these compaines have set out.

And why do you think styles change?

(Edited by Tkinter1 at 11:41 pm on May 1, 2003)

[Zombie]

Quote: from Tkinter1 on 6:38 pm on May 1, 2003
But you can still choose not to follow the trends these compaines have set out.

such a brave thing to say.
go tell that to the million of kids out there who idolize Britney Spears or Christina Aguilera, Dawson's Creek or even those American Idol twits...
No it's not easy to choose anymore. you are constantly harassed with overwhelming publicity from every media you can think of, it's hard to resist to the temptation of being "in". Soon you want to look like your friends in fear of not being accepted in the social groupd anymore...
you are underestimating the power of TV and the media by saying most people still have a 'choice'... can you spell b-r-a-i-n-w-a-s-h-i-n-g?
and human minds are easily corrupted.

[Soul Rebel]

well put Zombie

[Tkinter1]

Maybe we should define the "in crowd".

[Zombie]

Quote: from Tkinter1 on 7:02 pm on May 1, 2003
Maybe we should define the "in crowd".

Turn on MTV.

[Tkinter1]

Then there are countless people at my school that aren't "with it".

[hazard]

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 9:27 pm on May 1, 2003
"typical hypocritical capitalist stupidity. capitalists are permitted day in and out, at work, on tv, in leisure time, to force people to wear not one unifrom but multiple uniforms. and to you the capitalists have every right to force them to do this. stupid fucking idiots. "

Hey dumbass,

Nobody is forcing you to stay at a job that requires you to wear a uniform. In fact, I work at a place that does not require me to wear any specific attire. Therefore, I wear what I normally would. If you find yourself wearing a paper hat or a noose, that is your own choice in our society. Clearly, it is this choice that scares you. I hate pussies that can't handle free-will and ask that the state dictate that we wear some sort of plain uniform to make us all appear equal.

I have some more bad news for you, Hazard. Even if we were forced to wear the exact same thing, I would still be better than you. Exactly what would you do to bring me down to your level, if absolute equality is your goal? How would you propose that they level the playing field between you and a mentally handicapped person? I'm sorry, I forgot that you are already on that level. I will try to be more sensitive in the future.


what scares me is the lack of choice, numb skull.

its always the same thing with you idiots, isn't it? you talk in circles. THERE IS NO CHOICE. I MUST WORK. this ridiculous, assinine, retarded, foolish idea that "I don't have to work a job if I don't like to wear a uniform" is beyond all of these. IT IS SUB MORONIC. If I want to eat, I must work. If I want to have a roof, I must work. And if wear I work FORCES me to wear a uniform, I must do so if I want a roof, or to eat, or to survive generally.

your next line of argument, as it always is with you clowns, is that I have the choice to live on the streets "if I don't like it". once again, THERE IS NO CHOICE.

as usual you morons disregard everything I'm trying to say and present a weakened version of my position. and while doing this, you launch personal attacks upon me, as a person. nice, but juvenile.

my point is that, quite fucking simply, CAPITALISTS FORCE US TO WEAR UNIFORMS. why is this MY point? because you mother fucking idiots said, and I quote, " nobody has a right to force anybody to wear a unifrom". except your god like money fucking faggot capitalist pig mother fuckers. then, its somehow MY choice whether they force me to wear a unifrom. are you people for real or just really fucking stupid?

[Tkinter1]

"...And if wear I work FORCES me to wear a uniform, I must do so if I want a roof, or to eat, or to survive generally."

Or you could find another job that fits in with your attire.

[hazard]

how realistic is that, tk?

the entire system is locked into the accumulation of debt that prevents a job switch on a whim such as a uniform. then again, you might not really understand how much of what we wear are actually uniforms. forcing women to wear skirts is uniform enforcement. forcng men to wear ties is uniofrom enforcement. preventing blue jeans from being worn is uniform enforcement. requireing dancers to strip is unifrom enforcement. no matter where you go, this is a requirement.

now, back to my original point, who said "nobody has a right to force anybody to wear a uniform'? sounds like something you said, tk. re-qualifying that statement is a bad way of weasling out of your logical dilemna. you cannot shift the focus from a universal phrasing to an instance of individual choice. why can't you? I'll tell you why. because I won't let you.

admit now that you were incorrect, and from here we can continue this discussion in a meaningful way. it is not EVER a bad move to conced a point and attmept to rebuild. but to cower and hide and lie and cheat and atempt yet another capitalist style cover up of a mistake is a terrible waste of everybody's time. especially mine

[Anonymous]

Quote: from hazard on 9:33 pm on May 1, 2003

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 9:27 pm on May 1, 2003
"typical hypocritical capitalist stupidity. capitalists are permitted day in and out, at work, on tv, in leisure time, to force people to wear not one unifrom but multiple uniforms. and to you the capitalists have every right to force them to do this. stupid fucking idiots. "

Hey dumbass,

Nobody is forcing you to stay at a job that requires you to wear a uniform. In fact, I work at a place that does not require me to wear any specific attire. Therefore, I wear what I normally would. If you find yourself wearing a paper hat or a noose, that is your own choice in our society. Clearly, it is this choice that scares you. I hate pussies that can't handle free-will and ask that the state dictate that we wear some sort of plain uniform to make us all appear equal.

I have some more bad news for you, Hazard. Even if we were forced to wear the exact same thing, I would still be better than you. Exactly what would you do to bring me down to your level, if absolute equality is your goal? How would you propose that they level the playing field between you and a mentally handicapped person? I'm sorry, I forgot that you are already on that level. I will try to be more sensitive in the future.


what scares me is the lack of choice, numb skull.

its always the same thing with you idiots, isn't it? you talk in circles. THERE IS NO CHOICE. I MUST WORK. this ridiculous, assinine, retarded, foolish idea that "I don't have to work a job if I don't like to wear a uniform" is beyond all of these. IT IS SUB MORONIC. If I want to eat, I must work. If I want to have a roof, I must work. And if wear I work FORCES me to wear a uniform, I must do so if I want a roof, or to eat, or to survive generally.

your next line of argument, as it always is with you clowns, is that I have the choice to live on the streets "if I don't like it". once again, THERE IS NO CHOICE.

as usual you morons disregard everything I'm trying to say and present a weakened version of my position. and while doing this, you launch personal attacks upon me, as a person. nice, but juvenile.

my point is that, quite fucking simply, CAPITALISTS FORCE US TO WEAR UNIFORMS. why is this MY point? because you mother fucking idiots said, and I quote, " nobody has a right to force anybody to wear a unifrom". except your god like money fucking faggot capitalist pig mother fuckers. then, its somehow MY choice whether they force me to wear a unifrom. are you people for real or just really fucking stupid?


I...I really don't know how to reply to this. I mean Jesus fucking christ if SN's "Ignorant statements littering this board" thread were still up and running, you would no doubt fill several pages simply by yourself.

Okay, here we go:


what scares me is the lack of choice, numb skull.


You state your fear at what appears to you to be a lack of choice concerning a person's attire in modern society, yet, at the same time, wish to resolve this " problem" by completely eliminating choice altogether. Hence universal uniforms.

If you ask me, your logic sounds rather convoluted.

its always the same thing with you idiots, isn't it? you talk in circles. THERE IS NO CHOICE. I MUST WORK. this ridiculous, assinine, retarded, foolish idea that "I don't have to work a job if I don't like to wear a uniform" is beyond all of these. IT IS SUB MORONIC. If I want to eat, I must work. If I want to have a roof, I must work. And if wear I work FORCES me to wear a uniform, I must do so if I want a roof, or to eat, or to survive generally.

Obviously you must work if you wish to live. But where you choose to work is almost always a choice. If you don't want to work at a job that requires the wearing of a uniform, then find a job that doesn't. It's not that hard.


your next line of argument, as it always is with you clowns, is that I have the choice to live on the streets "if I don't like it". once again, THERE IS NO CHOICE.

Technically, that is a choice. Though it seems rather foolish to live on the streets becuase you didn't feel like wearing a suit and tie to work.

as usual you morons disregard everything I'm trying to say and present a weakened version of my position. and while doing this, you launch personal attacks upon me, as a person. nice, but juvenile.

Your calling us, juvenille :biggrin:

my point is that, quite fucking simply, CAPITALISTS FORCE US TO WEAR UNIFORMS. why is this MY point? because you mother fucking idiots said, and I quote, " nobody has a right to force anybody to wear a unifrom". except your god like money fucking faggot capitalist pig mother fuckers. then, its somehow MY choice whether they force me to wear a unifrom. are you people for real or just really fucking stupid?

No one is forcing you to work at a job the requires uniforms. YOU are the one that chooses to work there, if you so desire. Besides, suits and ties often come in a variety of colors, shapes, sizes, and designs. Not to mention your only doing this for eight hours a day. The other 16 hours you wear whatever you want.

[apathy maybe]

Say DC have you tried to find a job latly? have you looked at the types of jobs on offer. Saying get a different job is not an option for most people. Say they have a job and they quit. But then they can't get work anywhere else, bummer. Or else they do find another job, but wait it is at Macdonalds or another place like that. Wait a mini don't they have a uniform that their employies have to wear?

For some jobs (say police and firefighters or other emergency services) uniforms are designed so that people can tell them apart from civileans, this is a Good Thing ™, but for a job in an office or even digging ditchs of what use is a tie or any other form of uniform?

[hazard]

dork capitalist:

I think I accurately predicted your entire response pattern. thanks.

if there is so much choice,a s you assert, why are so many people disatisfied with their work? I mean this has NOTHING to do with the fact that you and your capitalist supporting bum buddies now RECANTING your position that "noone" ha a right to force anybody to wear a unifrom, but what the fuck. I expected it. do you mean to tell me people CHOOSE to work at Mc Donalds? people CHOOSE to collect garbage? people CHOOSE to become human guinea pigs? or, do people CHOOSE to survive? and, one more MOTHER FUCKING TIME, choosing to survive IS NOT a choice. it is INSTINCT. it is so far beyond choice the fact that you mention it as such is so absolutely fucking amazing, I mean, like it blows my fucking top. this is what makes capitalism so exploitive. what you call FREE choice is nothing more than the choice to live or die. let me think about that, and after thinking about that, what the hell, I decide to die. but my body betrays me! I need to eat, I can't help it! I'm freezing to death, I can't help it! guess I decide to live after all. gimmie the paper hat. I'll gladly exploit and demean myself so that I don't have to FREEZE to death. there is no choice. EVER.

dork, every time I chisel away your grandioise concept of "free choice" to a choice between life and death and thus not a choice, YOU LOSE. why you ALWAYS, well, you and your capitalist supporting brainwashed slaves, why all of YOU always allow this to happen spells only one thing. sheer and untampered idiocy.

and oh yeah, I almost forgot. IF, as you say, NOBODY has a right to force somebody to wear a unifrorm, WHY do you continue to defend the capitalists who DO this? it is the cAPITALISTS choice whether they FORCE their employees to wear a unifrom. what about you money fucking pigs now? THEY ARE FORCING THE VERY THING YOU SAID NOBODY HAS A RIGHT TO FORCE ANYBODY T DO?

and caps lock means Im shouting, just so you don't think my caps lock was stuck

[Tkinter1]

"the entire system is locked into the accumulation of debt that prevents a job switch on a whim such as a uniform. then again, you might not really understand how much of what we wear are actually uniforms. forcing women to wear skirts is uniform enforcement. forcng men to wear ties is uniofrom enforcement. preventing blue jeans from being worn is uniform enforcement. requireing dancers to strip is unifrom enforcement. no matter where you go, this is a requirement."

As DC has said, you choose to work there. I'm sorry if you can't handle reality.

"now, back to my original point, who said "nobody has a right to force anybody to wear a uniform'? sounds like something you said, tk. re-qualifying that statement is a bad way of weasling out of your logical dilemna."

wow... Ok, you are not forced to wear a uniform, I'm sticking by that and I always was. I should have elaborated further... I can understand your misconstrual. You consent to wear a uniform when you apply for a job. If you can not respect that, or you feel you are exempt, you can leave and find another job that fits in with your lackadaisical attire. That is your freedom of choice.

"you cannot shift the focus from a universal phrasing to an instance of individual choice. why can't you? I'll tell you why. because I won't let you."


LOL. I love this guy.

"admit now that you were incorrect, and from here we can continue this discussion in a meaningful way.
it is not EVER a bad move to conced a point and attmept to rebuild. but to cower and hide and lie and cheat and atempt yet another capitalist style cover up of a mistake is a terrible waste of everybody's time. especially mine."

Utterly ridiculous.... HAZARD, NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO FORCE YOU INTO ANY UNIFORM. HOWEVER, WHEN YOU CONSENT TO WORK FOR A COMPANY THAT REQUIRES A DRESS CODE YOU MUST RESPECT THAT OR YOU MAY LEAVE. THEY CAN'T FORCE YOU TO WEAR ANYTHING WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT!!!!!


Hazard, I will concede to one thing. You have drawn me into yet another one of your famous flawed, trivial battles. I'm glad I wasn't as unlucky as hampton however who was traped arguing with your laughable, unfounded notion of racism existing within pizza hut and burger king TO SELL product.

[hazard]

let me BREAK it BREAK it BREAK IT DOWN.

Huh!

cappies said
"nobody has a right to force anybody to wear a uniform"
they then admitd saying this

AND

despite my every effort to implore that they sacrifice this position for better one. THEY WILL NOT.

and now watch, as I BURY THEM.

capitalists who require a uniform are forcing people to wear a uniform.

this is a right, according to the crapitalists, that no one should have.

and yet they defend the capitalists who not only seem to have this right, but enforce this right.

NOBODY includes ALL people, the capitalists includied.

all of this tough talk about the individual having the right to quit and everything else is irrlevent. the capitalists are forcing people to wear uniforms, and although I think of these people as NOTHING, as NOBODY, they are still people to which the universal law of tko'd and dork capitalist must and should apply.

YEAH!

COME ON!

BRING IT BACK THE OTHER WAY!

...the teacher stands in front of the class, but the lesson plan he can't recall. the students eyes dont perceive the lies mounted on EVERY FUCKING WALL.

[Tkinter1]

businesses can't force you to wear anything without your consent. But they also can reserve the right to deny you your job for not adhearing to their company policy. That's reality.

(Edited by Tkinter1 at 5:23 am on May 2, 2003)

[hazard]

I undersand how you're attempting to defend your position. but it won't work. you know why.

capitalists should not force people to wear what they want them to wear. and you also know why they force people to wear their uniforms, too. profit, the generation of capital. see, years ago, the business owners determined they could generate more capital if they forced employees to wear uniforms. be them short skirts, paper hats, or business suits.

my idea was that people would be alleviated of the redundant process of deciding up[on clothes to wear. this would have numerous societal bnefits, and force had nothing to do with it.

however, in my mentioning this, it was quickly discovered that a horde of people are currenttly forcing the vast majority of society to wear uniforms. this is in addition to forcing them to work. then, you have the same forcerers forcing people to purchase their brand of "non" uniform products. all of the unifrom force is in regards to capitalists forcing others to wear the clothing they want them to wear.

[dopediana]

logos suck. if i buy brand name shoes (never nike) it's only because those are the running shoes that don't kill my legs. it's all about the fit. but you'd never see me wearing a shirt with a swoosh on it or 3 stripes. i like "pretty"(hippy) and tough(man) clothes alternately. i'm a fan of dressing like a guy. oh, and i hate paying alot of money for clothes.

i steal all my dad's clothes. is it my fault his camo pants and thermal shirts look so great on me?

i hate team sponsoring. sure, the companies pay for the uniforms and equipment and are sort of buying their right to advertise on the shit, but it's wrong...

[hazard]

one of my ex-girlfriends used to make me steal my dads clothes for her to wear. never thought she looked cute in 'em tho. wonder why.

[Palmares]

Quote: from T Blair on 5:15 am on May 2, 2003

Quote: from Cthenthar on 8:08 am on May 1, 2003
Very mature of you T(ony) Blair...

What are you trying to prove by wearing such clothes? Socio-economic superiority? A life of trying to impress other people sounds soooo.... exciting...

Next time, can you give some sort of LOGICAL thinking behind wearing such clothing.


And I quote "Posh, authentic & super stylish all in one." Are you going to attempt to deny the multi-billion dollar fashion industry? Now ask your-self, upon what grounds has the fashion industry became so successful? Could it be society’s overriding obsession with face-value? And in such a society would it not be in my perceived self-interest to put the same emphasis on aesthetes, rather than trying to emulate the homeless? By Hercules, It would! I realize that you’ve grown up convincing yourself it’s what’s on the inside that counts, perhaps to validate an otherwise meaningless existence….but that’s not how it works, junior. I suppose flaunting pseudo-intellect over the message boards would be more productive? Keep it worthless,




That still isn't a valid "excuse". Do you remember what I said?

Let me remind you (even though you quoted it, you clearly need reminding);

"Very mature of you T(ony) Blair...

What are you trying to prove by wearing such clothes? Socio-economic superiority? A life of trying to impress other people sounds soooo.... exciting...

Next time, can you give some sort of LOGICAL thinking behind wearing such clothing."

Have a read on the true concepts of human nature (e.g. try having a look at the human nature thread) and maybe you'll understand your ignorance.

(Edited by Cthenthar at 11:58 am on May 7, 2003)

[dopediana]

Quote: from hazard on 4:56 am on May 6, 2003
one of my ex-girlfriends used to make me steal my dads clothes for her to wear. never thought she looked cute in 'em tho. wonder why.


lol. she must have been sick...

hmmmm. maybe it's just a popular thing with guys to see girls wearing tight clothing.

[atlanticche]

brands or no brands its still capitalist but it doesn't matter it will all be ours soon
on with the revolution