Explaination of Class

[Forward Union]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0DUsGSMwZY

[Colonello Buendia]

That is actually the best explanation of class ever. fuck marx's relation ship to the means of production....two ronnies FTW

[Bud Struggle]

I think that video (very funny) may work well in the UK--but not so much in the US. I spent the day (and night) with a bunch of bikers rich and poor from all over the country--and you honestly couldn't tell who was who.

I don't see the class thing working at all in America. And NO AMERICAN would ever say "I know my place."

[Trystan]

Which is a good thing. :)

But if you're a banker, you know your place is to stay rich forever. :unsure:

[RGacky3]

And NO AMERICAN would ever say "I know my place."

They would at the work place, where it counts. Or trying to get credit. Don't tell me in this country having money does'nt make a difference, for most people with money, thats their whole reason for living. This fantasy world that you live in where class does'nt exist, simply does'nt exist.


I spent the day (and night) with a bunch of bikers rich and poor from all over the country--and you honestly couldn't tell who was who.


Not to be demeaning, but middle aged professionals who ride big harleys around and wear leather, are EXACTLY the same as white kids from rich families that go around in baggy pants and wear backward caps and blast gangsta rap out of their SUVs.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

I think that video (very funny) may work well in the UK--but not so much in the US. I spent the day (and night) with a bunch of bikers rich and poor from all over the country--and you honestly couldn't tell who was who.

I don't see the class thing working at all in America. And NO AMERICAN would ever say "I know my place."
You don't see the class thing working in America? I've never been but it's widely regarded as one of the clearest examples of a class system.

And I wouldn't go saying that the "class thing" can't work in any society. Only recently have class politics emerged in Ireland, which was for the previous 90 years dominated by civil war politics, and for 8 centuries before that by nationality and religion politics. Even now, it's not clear whether the recent Lisbon vote, which was divided largely along class lines, is part of any trend or whether it was a special case because of the complexity of the matter (and the amount of lunatics out there with a grudge against the EU).

[Bud Struggle]

They would at the work place, where it counts. Or trying to get credit. Don't tell me in this country having money does'nt make a difference, for most people with money, thats their whole reason for living. This fantasy world that you live in where class does'nt exist, simply does'nt exist. Wello it exists if you want to live like that. Personally, rich or poor I never thought anyone else other than my equal. I would never say, "I know my place." If I had a job, I'd do what it takes to do the job--but it wouldn't make me any less of more of a person. That's an important point--I am not my job. Actually--in my life, I would never define myself by what I did for a living, where my money comes from is quite incidental to what I am.




Not to be demeaning, but middle aged professionals who ride big harleys around and wear leather, are EXACTLY the same as white kids from rich families that go around in baggy pants and wear backward caps and blast gangsta rap out of their SUVs. Right--everyone's equal. People can do what they want to do. If rich white kids want to be rappers--fine, if Black kids want to put put on three piece suits and be investment bankers fine. Nobody has to do anything they don't want to do, or be anythig they don't want to be. Society in th US is quite egalitarian. You want to work hard and make a pile of money--you have more money--but you are just the same as anyone else.

[Drace]

Wello it exists if you want to live like that. Personally, rich or poor I never thought anyone else other than my equal. I would never say, "I know my place." If I had a job, I'd do what it takes to do the job--but it wouldn't make me any less of more of a person. That's an important point--I am not my job. Actually--in my life, I would never define myself by what I did for a living, where my money comes from is quite incidental to what I am.



Right--everyone's equal. People can do what they want to do. If rich white kids want to be rappers--fine, if Black kids want to put put on three piece suits and be investment bankers fine. Nobody has to do anything they don't want to do, or be anythig they don't want to be. Society in th US is quite egalitarian. You want to work hard and make a pile of money--you have more money--but you are just the same as anyone else.

OMG hahhhah. I thought this whole post was made by a sarcastic commentor in response to TomK LOL

[Trystan]

People can do what they want to do.

And then you get a job.

[GPDP]

Society in th US is quite egalitarian.

ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

[Bud Struggle]

OK, all kidding aside. You Americans think that what? Some people with money "are" better than you? "Think they are" better than you? Think they are different (in a more positive way) than you are? Have a different moral worth than you?

Do you think they are better? Do you think they think they are better? Or have a more positive moral worth?

I honestly never thought that anyone else was any different than me. They had different stuff--they did different things, but I never thought there was any REAL difference between people.

Also, as the video pointed out quite clearly--if you look "up" to someone it's pretty impossible to not look "down" on someone else.

[Dean]

Explaination

I'm not trying to be an asshole, but sometimes the spelling mistakes of comrades are damn amusing. :lol:

Much love Robin Hoodie.

[Dean]

Also, as the video pointed out quite clearly--if you look "up" to someone it's pretty impossible to not look "down" on someone else.

Actually, I would agree with this. Those who embrace the class system tend to have a whole new set of classes in their own mind - real or not, it serves to justify whatever prejudices they suffer from.

EDIT: Don't forget to check out the Debate forum Now - you've been admitted by the Ministry of Proletocratic Sciences :lol:

[RGacky3]

Personally, rich or poor I never thought anyone else other than my equal. I would never say, "I know my place." If I had a job, I'd do what it takes to do the job--but it wouldn't make me any less of more of a person. That's an important point--I am not my job. Actually--in my life, I would never define myself by what I did for a living, where my money comes from is quite incidental to what I am.


Unfortunately most people spend at least 40 hours a week at work, most of their day, so for most of their day, yes they are unequal, it does'nt matter how the boss treats him or views him, they are unequal, the same goes when they decide to spend their money, they are unequal, it does'nt matter how your viewed, its unequal.

This is'nt about how rich people view the poor, or vise versa, or how they treat the poor, thats incidental and it really does'nt matter, or at least not much compared to the material aspects of Capitalism.


You Americans think that what? Some people with money "are" better than you? "Think they are" better than you? Think they are different (in a more positive way) than you are? Have a different moral worth than you?


You've obviously never been to Southern California, :P.

I does'nt matter if they are 'better' o not, what matters is they are the ruling class, while everyone else is not, they are the haves and everyone else is that have nots, thats what matters, and thats what class is.


Society in th US is quite egalitarian. You want to work hard and make a pile of money--you have more money--but you are just the same as anyone else.

Bull, thats rediculous, your not the same, you have a bigger house, more cars, never have to worry about your next meal, never have to worry about rent, you have savings you can send your kids to schools, you can work a lot less, you can travel more, you can enjoy the finer things in life, you can afford better health care, you can buy nice clothes, and you can do all this while the poor 'looser' under you is doing your work. You have power, everyone else, does not.

What your talking about is like when the king decides to go take a photo op with the peasents, and goes to the local tavern with the common folk and say "see I'm like everyone else, only king", it does'nt change a thing.

[Forward Union]

Do you think they think they are better?.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3LJYO3r1xw&eurl=http://www.revleft.com/vb/explaination-class-t92177/index.html

[Trystan]

Heh :lol: