Grozny...Baghdad

[Chiak47]

Grozny...Look at the destruction...Several years ago and the war is still going strong....Who's purging the Muslims?

http://www.missing-lynx.com/library/modern/russia/inaction/grozny-70.jpg

Baghdad...Last week...A couple days after the collapse of a fucked up regime...Look at the beauty...And the war is over...
http://images.wn.com/i/d1/6ac9ee4c.jpg

[Chiak47]

http://www.missing-lynx.com/library/modern/russia/inaction/grozny-33.jpg

http://www.missing-lynx.com/library/modern/russia/inaction/grozny-61.jpg

http://www.missing-lynx.com/library/modern/russia/inaction/grozny-54.jpg

http://www.missing-lynx.com/library/modern/russia/inaction/grozny-59.jpg

http://www.missing-lynx.com/library/modern/russia/inaction/grozny-52.jpg

http://www.missing-lynx.com/library/modern/russia/inaction/grozny-50.jpg

http://www.missing-lynx.com/library/modern/russia/inaction/grozny-51.jpg

http://www.missing-lynx.com/library/modern/russia/inaction/grozny-82.jpg

http://www.missing-lynx.com/library/modern/russia/inaction/grozny-73.jpg

[Chiak47]

Redstar,

Maybe you should put a sticky on top for the civilian deaths in this "conflict"...Going back to the soviet invasion...

Thanks,
WarDawg

[Hampton]

You post one picture of Baghdad. Do you really need to have pictures of "shock and awe" to realize that the war on Iraq is not pretty?

[Chiak47]

Yes,Shock and Awe...

We targeted military targets...
Not miles and miles of civilian houses...

Shock and awe internet style...

http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian/grozny1.jpg

[Hampton]

What's this? Whoops?

http://rense.com/general37/taji.htm

Check out the Mile of Death from Gulf War 1.


(Edited by Hampton at 8:37 am on April 26, 2003)

[Chiak47]

That car tried to run over a soldier and a journalist who happened to witness it shot the pics.

These people were raped and "purged"
http://www.amina.com/war/ch02.html


http://www.amina.com/war/304.jpg
Torture of a Muslim woman by burning, after rape.

http://www.amina.com/war/303.jpg
Rape of young girls, as young as 6 year old. This girl was 12 year old and died of internal injuries after over 20 men raped her. Rape is routinely used as a weapon of war against Muslim populations.

http://www.amina.com/war/302.jpg
Execution by shooting in the forehead or the back of the head.

[Chiak47]

http://www.amina.com/war/314.jpg
This 5 year old was tortured to death by Russian soldiers.


http://www.amina.com/war/316.jpg
Dismembered arm of the child in the top picture.

[Hampton]

It's weird though when you think about it, people who are for the war write off civilian death in Iraq like it dosen't exist, but you're quick to point it out when it involves "commies".

[Chiak47]

The mile of death was a valuable military target.
Most of The returning planes from the raid had holes from small arms fire.

BTW the people of Kuwait lost the most in that raid seeing how most of the trucks had booty stolen from Kuwait.

I did not write off anything.The soldiers in Iraq are not torturing with torches and gang raping 6 year old girls.

[Hampton]

So you're saying that small arms fire deserves this?

http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0212/pt04.html

[Chiak47]

Your missing the damn point.

THOSE WERE SOLDIERS...They knew what they signed up for..

Bet they wish they took the other turn in the road..

[Hampton]

There is a diffrence of a routed army being shot in the back and miles and miles of people tying to leave for Jordan.

"This morning was bumper-to-bumper. It was the road to Daytona Beach at spring break...and spring break's over."

Nice.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

I have no idea where this thread is pointing too.

I am communist, so I am bloodthirsty?

You're captalist, so your side never kills and sings peace songs all day?

[Sabocat]

Quote: from Chiak47 on 12:01 am on April 26, 2003
Your missing the damn point.

THOSE WERE SOLDIERS...They knew what they signed up for..

Bet they wish they took the other turn in the road..


How noble this conquest was...and during a cease fire too....what heroes.

1991 massacre of thousands of fleeing Iraqi troops was part of U.S. 'total war'
From Mike Buckingham, 8 Febuary 2003
It was like going down an American highway—people were all mixed up in cars in trucks. People got out of their cars and ran away. We shot them.... The Iraqis were getting massacred.—Pfc. Charles Sheehan-Miles, describing March 2, 1991, assault on retreating Iraqi column at Rumaila, Iraq, two days after cease-fire in Gulf War.

We've blown away a busload of kids.—Unidentified platoon sergeant during March 2 assault.

We're yelling on the radio, 'They're firing at the prisoners! They're firing at the prisoners!'—Specialist 4 Edward Walker, describing February 27, 1991, incident during ground invasion of Iraq.

It's murder.—Unidentified U.S. soldier during February 27 attack.

BY MAURICE WILLIAMS Washington's assault on Iraq was one of the biggest slaughters in modern history. The six-week bombardment that began in mid-January 1991 and the 100-hour ground invasion unleashed on February 24 killed an estimated 150,000 people. Millions were homeless and exposed to hunger and disease, as large sections of the country were left in ruins. The murderous effects of that war are still felt today, reinforced by the ongoing economic embargo and continued bombing attacks against Iraq.

Despite attempts by the U.S. government to lie and cover up the truth about its massacre, some of the facts have come out over the years.

An extensive article in the May 22 issue of the New Yorker magazine by journalist Seymour Hersh has exposed more facts about Washington's slaughter in the Arab-Persian Gulf.

Washington seized on Baghdad's invasion of Kuwait in August 1990 to launch a war aimed at overthrowing the Iraqi government and installing a regime subservient to U.S. imperialism. In pursuing these goals the U.S. capitalist class sought to gain an edge over its imperialist rivals in Europe and Japan, bolster its domination in the Middle East, and gain greater control over the oil reserves in the Gulf. The U.S. rulers also used the war to tighten their military encirclement of the workers state in Russia.

Washington, however, did not achieve its political aims in the region. They failed to overthrow the Iraqi government. They have proven unable to crush the Palestinian struggle for a homeland. Instead, there is more volatility and instability in the region and today the Israeli government, its junior imperialist partner in the region, has been forced out of Lebanon.

The February 1991 U.S.-led ground invasion of Iraq was a one-sided slaughter, not a war. The capitalist regime in Iraq, headed by Saddam Hussein, did not organize a fight but simply tried to maneuver with Washington. Baghdad abandoned the mass of workers and peasants in Iraq's army on the battlefield of Kuwait and southern Iraq. As these ex-soldiers tried to flee back home, the U.S. military machine simply massacred tens of thousands of human beings. The U.S. invading forces suffered barely a handful of casualties, mostly from friendly fire.

Hersh is a liberal journalist who gained a reputation for his investigative reporting on the 1968 My Lai massacre of Vietnamese by the U.S. military. For the New Yorker article, more than 300 interviews were conducted with U.S. army officers in the Gulf war and army investigators.

Hersh focuses mainly on events after the cease-fire announced by U.S. president George Bush on Feb. 28, 1991, in particular the operations directed by one of the top commanders of the Gulf War, Gen. Barry McCaffrey. The article quotes U.S. army officers and soldiers who describe several instances of Iraqis being killed as they tried to flee or surrender or even after they had given themselves up as prisoners to the U.S. forces.

Hersh views these massacres simply as an excess of war. He doesn't challenge the premise of Washington's bipartisan assault on the Iraqi people, and so doesn't dwell much on the brutality unleashed by Washington before the February 28 cease-fire, which Bush proclaimed because he believed that by then the U.S. forces were on the verge of achieving their goals.

Nonetheless, even the limited facts presented in this article are an indictment of Washington and shed light on the character of its assault.

McCaffrey, who commanded 26,000 troops of the 24th Infantry Division, drove his forces more than 200 miles into Iraq to block the retreat of Iraqi soldiers from the war zone in Kuwait. Abandoned by their military leadership, they offered no resistance.

Killing of hundreds of fleeing soldiers We met the enemy, recalled 1st Lt. Greg Downey, describing an encounter on February 25, the second day of the ground war. They were a sad sight with absolutely no fight left in them. Referring to the fact their leadership had stranded them, he added, The hate I had for any Iraqi dissipated.

After the cease-fire was declared, the retreating Iraqis had been assured safe passage. Many had thrown away their weapons. Tanks were loaded on trucks with their cannons aimed to the rear. Some of the tanks were in travel formation, and their guns were not in any engaged position, said Sgt. Stuart Hirstein of the 124th Military Intelligence Battalion.

On March 2, deep inside Iraq, a five-mile-long retreating column of Iraqis approached the causeway across Lake Hammar, near the Rumaila oil field west of Basra. They ran into the U.S. forces McCaffrey had deployed right across the line of retreat. McCaffrey ordered a devastating attack. The U.S. military forces sealed off the causeway with Apache attack helicopters and artillery fire, pinned the Iraqi column on the road, and pounded them for five hours with wave after wave of bomb, tank, artillery, and missile attacks.

At least 400 Iraqis were killed. Some 700 Iraqi tanks, armored cars, and trucks were destroyed. Among them was a bus with civilians and children that was hit by a rocket. No shots were fired at the U.S. forces, and there were no serious U.S. combat casualties.

No reporters were allowed in the area at the time. During the Gulf War no media representatives were permitted on the battlefields without military escorts.

The massacre of unresisting Iraqis and the deaths of children deeply disturbed many U.S. soldiers. One platoon sergeant remarked, We've blown away a busload of kids.

An officer in the 124th Military Intelligence Battalion said a captured Iraqi tank commander asked his U.S. interrogators several times, Why are you killing us? All we were doing was going home.

U.S. slaughter of Iraqi prisoners On February 27, the fourth day of the U.S. ground invasion, a large group of Iraqi soldiers had surrendered to a platoon in the 2-7 Battalion of the 24th Infantry Division. One of the first vehicles to pull up was a bus filled with wounded Iraqi soldiers. The bus was marked with a crescent—the Arab equivalent of the Red Cross sign. Doctors and male nurses were among the approximately 380 prisoners.

Specialist 4 Edward Walker was ordered to blow up weapons confiscated from the Iraqi soldiers. Shortly after destroying a truck holding these weapons, the platoon was abruptly ordered to move on. The U.S. GIs, greatly outnumbered by the Iraqis, left after giving them surrender leaflets printed in Arabic. The papers promised that those who gave up would live to see their families again. Lt. Kirk Allen, the platoon commander, notified the battalion's operations headquarters of the exact location of the Iraqi hospital bus.

As the confiscated weapons were destroyed in a massive explosion, according to Walker, several U.S. Bradley vehicles, armed with chain-driven machine guns capable of firing up to a thousand rounds a minute, rolled onto the scene. The high-intensity weapons opened up.

'They knew there were prisoners there' Walker, who was convinced all the prisoners were mowed down, said the Bradleys also fired on him and the other GIs who were in a marked Humvee. They knew there were prisoners there. They knew they were unarmed, said Walker. They knew the hospital bus was there, and they knew we were blowing the truck up.

Walker left the military in 1991, not permitted by the authorities at Fort Leonard Wood to reenlist after spilling the beans on the killing.

Another military engagement involving McCaffrey's troops from the 124th Military Intelligence Battalion occurred one day after the cease-fire. A ground-radar surveillance team joined a platoon of scouts who discovered a cache of Iraqi weapons at a deserted schoolhouse near Highway 8.

Steven Larimore, a sergeant who headed a brigade assigned to the platoon, said his men noticed a group of villagers walking in the area. One guy had a white bedsheet on a stick, Larimore stated. Out of the blue sky, some guy from where we're sitting begins shooting at the Iraqis. Other machine guns opened fire. In less than three or four minutes some 20 Iraqi civilians were mowed down.

Liberal reporter Hersh denounces the U.S.-organized atrocities carried out after the cease-fire under McCaffrey's command, but says little about the brutal bombing campaign and the final ground assault by the U.S. forces until then—a war that was completely bipartisan.

But the events of March 2 were a continuation of the total war approach unleashed by the imperialist rulers on the Iraqi people, culminating with the annihilation of tens of thousands fleeing on the highway from Kuwait City to Basra.

During this onslaught, described by pilots as a turkey shoot, U.S. military forces bombed the front and back of Iraqi convoys, trapping thousands of vehicles in a killing box. A reporter for the London Independent who visited the scene of the carnage wrote, I lost count of the Iraqi corpses crammed into the smouldering wreckage or slumped face down in the sand.

Far from being a rogue officer, McCaffrey simply carried out the Powell doctrine—named for Colin Powell, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the time—of using maximum force at the outset of a war to minimize U.S. casualties.

Do we understand that when we use military force decisively, we are actually killing people and breaking up their equipment? McCaffrey insisted in an interview published in the May 29 issue of Newsweek. Do you understand that when you actually apply power, you don't want a fair fight?

One fact Hersh does not report is that during the murderous Desert Storm assault, the U.S. army literally buried alive thousands of Iraqi soldiers in their trenches.

On February 24-25, 1991, three U.S. army brigades used tanks equipped with plows to fill in with sand 70 miles of six-foot-deep trenches defended by more than 8,000 Iraqi soldiers on the Saudi-Iraq border.

McCaffrey came under investigation after the war when an officer in his unit filed a complaint about his post-cease-fire operations. Military investigators filed a secret report and exonerated McCaffrey in 1991.

McCaffrey was promoted to four-star general in 1994 and served as commander of the U.S. military forces in Latin America. President William Clinton named him White House drug czar two years later. Today he is directly involved in Washington's escalating military intervention in Colombia, which is being waged under the banner of fighting drug traffickers intertwined with the fight against terrorism.

[Liberty Lover]

Please remove those images of bodies, Chiak.

[CubanFox]

Just link us to them. Messy.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Quote: from Liberty Lover on 1:16 am on April 26, 2003
Please remove those images of bodies, Chiak.


Why?!

It's the truth, so look at it and learn from it.

[Blibblob]

Can't handle a little blood? I still haven't figured out Chiak's reason for this thread.

[Anonymous]

Quote: from Disgustapated on 9:02 pm on April 25, 2003

Quote: from Chiak47 on 12:01 am on April 26, 2003
Your missing the damn point.

THOSE WERE SOLDIERS...They knew what they signed up for..

Bet they wish they took the other turn in the road..


How noble this conquest was...and during a cease fire too....what heroes.

1991 massacre of thousands of fleeing Iraqi troops was part of U.S. 'total war'
From Mike Buckingham, 8 Febuary 2003
It was like going down an American highway—people were all mixed up in cars in trucks. People got out of their cars and ran away. We shot them.... The Iraqis were getting massacred.—Pfc. Charles Sheehan-Miles, describing March 2, 1991, assault on retreating Iraqi column at Rumaila, Iraq, two days after cease-fire in Gulf War.

We've blown away a busload of kids.—Unidentified platoon sergeant during March 2 assault.

We're yelling on the radio, 'They're firing at the prisoners! They're firing at the prisoners!'—Specialist 4 Edward Walker, describing February 27, 1991, incident during ground invasion of Iraq.

It's murder.—Unidentified U.S. soldier during February 27 attack.

BY MAURICE WILLIAMS Washington's assault on Iraq was one of the biggest slaughters in modern history. The six-week bombardment that began in mid-January 1991 and the 100-hour ground invasion unleashed on February 24 killed an estimated 150,000 people. Millions were homeless and exposed to hunger and disease, as large sections of the country were left in ruins. The murderous effects of that war are still felt today, reinforced by the ongoing economic embargo and continued bombing attacks against Iraq.

Despite attempts by the U.S. government to lie and cover up the truth about its massacre, some of the facts have come out over the years.

An extensive article in the May 22 issue of the New Yorker magazine by journalist Seymour Hersh has exposed more facts about Washington's slaughter in the Arab-Persian Gulf.

Washington seized on Baghdad's invasion of Kuwait in August 1990 to launch a war aimed at overthrowing the Iraqi government and installing a regime subservient to U.S. imperialism. In pursuing these goals the U.S. capitalist class sought to gain an edge over its imperialist rivals in Europe and Japan, bolster its domination in the Middle East, and gain greater control over the oil reserves in the Gulf. The U.S. rulers also used the war to tighten their military encirclement of the workers state in Russia.

Washington, however, did not achieve its political aims in the region. They failed to overthrow the Iraqi government. They have proven unable to crush the Palestinian struggle for a homeland. Instead, there is more volatility and instability in the region and today the Israeli government, its junior imperialist partner in the region, has been forced out of Lebanon.

The February 1991 U.S.-led ground invasion of Iraq was a one-sided slaughter, not a war. The capitalist regime in Iraq, headed by Saddam Hussein, did not organize a fight but simply tried to maneuver with Washington. Baghdad abandoned the mass of workers and peasants in Iraq's army on the battlefield of Kuwait and southern Iraq. As these ex-soldiers tried to flee back home, the U.S. military machine simply massacred tens of thousands of human beings. The U.S. invading forces suffered barely a handful of casualties, mostly from friendly fire.

Hersh is a liberal journalist who gained a reputation for his investigative reporting on the 1968 My Lai massacre of Vietnamese by the U.S. military. For the New Yorker article, more than 300 interviews were conducted with U.S. army officers in the Gulf war and army investigators.

Hersh focuses mainly on events after the cease-fire announced by U.S. president George Bush on Feb. 28, 1991, in particular the operations directed by one of the top commanders of the Gulf War, Gen. Barry McCaffrey. The article quotes U.S. army officers and soldiers who describe several instances of Iraqis being killed as they tried to flee or surrender or even after they had given themselves up as prisoners to the U.S. forces.

Hersh views these massacres simply as an excess of war. He doesn't challenge the premise of Washington's bipartisan assault on the Iraqi people, and so doesn't dwell much on the brutality unleashed by Washington before the February 28 cease-fire, which Bush proclaimed because he believed that by then the U.S. forces were on the verge of achieving their goals.

Nonetheless, even the limited facts presented in this article are an indictment of Washington and shed light on the character of its assault.

McCaffrey, who commanded 26,000 troops of the 24th Infantry Division, drove his forces more than 200 miles into Iraq to block the retreat of Iraqi soldiers from the war zone in Kuwait. Abandoned by their military leadership, they offered no resistance.

Killing of hundreds of fleeing soldiers We met the enemy, recalled 1st Lt. Greg Downey, describing an encounter on February 25, the second day of the ground war. They were a sad sight with absolutely no fight left in them. Referring to the fact their leadership had stranded them, he added, The hate I had for any Iraqi dissipated.

After the cease-fire was declared, the retreating Iraqis had been assured safe passage. Many had thrown away their weapons. Tanks were loaded on trucks with their cannons aimed to the rear. Some of the tanks were in travel formation, and their guns were not in any engaged position, said Sgt. Stuart Hirstein of the 124th Military Intelligence Battalion.

On March 2, deep inside Iraq, a five-mile-long retreating column of Iraqis approached the causeway across Lake Hammar, near the Rumaila oil field west of Basra. They ran into the U.S. forces McCaffrey had deployed right across the line of retreat. McCaffrey ordered a devastating attack. The U.S. military forces sealed off the causeway with Apache attack helicopters and artillery fire, pinned the Iraqi column on the road, and pounded them for five hours with wave after wave of bomb, tank, artillery, and missile attacks.

At least 400 Iraqis were killed. Some 700 Iraqi tanks, armored cars, and trucks were destroyed. Among them was a bus with civilians and children that was hit by a rocket. No shots were fired at the U.S. forces, and there were no serious U.S. combat casualties.

No reporters were allowed in the area at the time. During the Gulf War no media representatives were permitted on the battlefields without military escorts.

The massacre of unresisting Iraqis and the deaths of children deeply disturbed many U.S. soldiers. One platoon sergeant remarked, We've blown away a busload of kids.

An officer in the 124th Military Intelligence Battalion said a captured Iraqi tank commander asked his U.S. interrogators several times, Why are you killing us? All we were doing was going home.

U.S. slaughter of Iraqi prisoners On February 27, the fourth day of the U.S. ground invasion, a large group of Iraqi soldiers had surrendered to a platoon in the 2-7 Battalion of the 24th Infantry Division. One of the first vehicles to pull up was a bus filled with wounded Iraqi soldiers. The bus was marked with a crescent—the Arab equivalent of the Red Cross sign. Doctors and male nurses were among the approximately 380 prisoners.

Specialist 4 Edward Walker was ordered to blow up weapons confiscated from the Iraqi soldiers. Shortly after destroying a truck holding these weapons, the platoon was abruptly ordered to move on. The U.S. GIs, greatly outnumbered by the Iraqis, left after giving them surrender leaflets printed in Arabic. The papers promised that those who gave up would live to see their families again. Lt. Kirk Allen, the platoon commander, notified the battalion's operations headquarters of the exact location of the Iraqi hospital bus.

As the confiscated weapons were destroyed in a massive explosion, according to Walker, several U.S. Bradley vehicles, armed with chain-driven machine guns capable of firing up to a thousand rounds a minute, rolled onto the scene. The high-intensity weapons opened up.

'They knew there were prisoners there' Walker, who was convinced all the prisoners were mowed down, said the Bradleys also fired on him and the other GIs who were in a marked Humvee. They knew there were prisoners there. They knew they were unarmed, said Walker. They knew the hospital bus was there, and they knew we were blowing the truck up.

Walker left the military in 1991, not permitted by the authorities at Fort Leonard Wood to reenlist after spilling the beans on the killing.

Another military engagement involving McCaffrey's troops from the 124th Military Intelligence Battalion occurred one day after the cease-fire. A ground-radar surveillance team joined a platoon of scouts who discovered a cache of Iraqi weapons at a deserted schoolhouse near Highway 8.

Steven Larimore, a sergeant who headed a brigade assigned to the platoon, said his men noticed a group of villagers walking in the area. One guy had a white bedsheet on a stick, Larimore stated. Out of the blue sky, some guy from where we're sitting begins shooting at the Iraqis. Other machine guns opened fire. In less than three or four minutes some 20 Iraqi civilians were mowed down.

Liberal reporter Hersh denounces the U.S.-organized atrocities carried out after the cease-fire under McCaffrey's command, but says little about the brutal bombing campaign and the final ground assault by the U.S. forces until then—a war that was completely bipartisan.

But the events of March 2 were a continuation of the total war approach unleashed by the imperialist rulers on the Iraqi people, culminating with the annihilation of tens of thousands fleeing on the highway from Kuwait City to Basra.

During this onslaught, described by pilots as a turkey shoot, U.S. military forces bombed the front and back of Iraqi convoys, trapping thousands of vehicles in a killing box. A reporter for the London Independent who visited the scene of the carnage wrote, I lost count of the Iraqi corpses crammed into the smouldering wreckage or slumped face down in the sand.

Far from being a rogue officer, McCaffrey simply carried out the Powell doctrine—named for Colin Powell, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the time—of using maximum force at the outset of a war to minimize U.S. casualties.

Do we understand that when we use military force decisively, we are actually killing people and breaking up their equipment? McCaffrey insisted in an interview published in the May 29 issue of Newsweek. Do you understand that when you actually apply power, you don't want a fair fight?

One fact Hersh does not report is that during the murderous Desert Storm assault, the U.S. army literally buried alive thousands of Iraqi soldiers in their trenches.

On February 24-25, 1991, three U.S. army brigades used tanks equipped with plows to fill in with sand 70 miles of six-foot-deep trenches defended by more than 8,000 Iraqi soldiers on the Saudi-Iraq border.

McCaffrey came under investigation after the war when an officer in his unit filed a complaint about his post-cease-fire operations. Military investigators filed a secret report and exonerated McCaffrey in 1991.

McCaffrey was promoted to four-star general in 1994 and served as commander of the U.S. military forces in Latin America. President William Clinton named him White House drug czar two years later. Today he is directly involved in Washington's escalating military intervention in Colombia, which is being waged under the banner of fighting drug traffickers intertwined with the fight against terrorism.




That was a very distrubing article you posted here. I would like to find more about it. Can you post additional sources or links that I can go do additional research.

[notyetacommie]

ChiAk47, are you trying to say that Russia is still ruled by Communists?
No, it is ruled by bloodthirsty criminals, who also kill people for oil. That was, probably, why Putin just said that the American invasion of Iraqi oil fields with the side-effect of murdering children is, and I quote "a mistake".

Chechnya only claimed its independence after Yeltsin dissolved the Soviet Union, there wasn't any bloodshed in the Soviet times there, so you've only got the capitalists to blame. As usual.
Do you remember the British journalists beheaded by the Chechens?
The fact is that they were spies, whose task was to inspire the hatred to Russia. They supported Al-Quaida, but were beheaded when the Chechen learned that Bin Laden, who had been the USA's right hand in doing the dirty work, was betrayed by the US officials.

Please consider anothre fact. A Chechen commander, when imprisoned, said that he had the kindest feelings toward the time when the peoples of the USSR were brothers.

I know Chechens who live in my town, in Siberia. Some of them are friendly people who sell fruits at the local markets. Some of them are mafiosi, and there are hidden wars between the Chechen, Azerbaizhan, Armenian and Russian mafiosi. Apart from the outlaws, people of different nationalities coexist peacefully here, the way they did in the Soviet times (and the outlaws didn't have any significant influence on the social life then).

[Solzhenitsyn]

Gulf War II and the Chechen conflict are not comparable. The Russians are fighting a campaign of counter-insurrgency in where fanatical guerillas abuse the identity civilian population. America fought a conventional war against an opponent that offered only token resistance.

Chechnya is doomed to be a hell-hole regardless of what Russia did or allegedly does:

Kidnapping, including marriage by capture, is a Chechen tradition:
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/mdrssn1/Chec...st_Industry.htm (http://mywebpage.netscape.com/mdrssn1/Chechnyas_Grimmest_Industry.htm)

Even thier own allies and volunteers aren't safe from kidnapping for ransom by Chechens:
http://flag.blackened.net/agony/chechen.html

And finally a glimpse into the psychotic midset of Chechen fighters or 600 (stupid) martyrs go to Allah:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?p...5&notFound=true (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A13662-2000Feb5&notFound=true)


(Edited by Solzhenitsyn at 8:49 pm on April 28, 2003)

[Kapitan Andrey]

R-R-R-R-R!!!
MALTE, please, bann this damn BASTARD-Chiak47!!!

This is all fucking-false!!!

He is trying to show everyone, that our soliders are not humans, but bloodlusty-beasts!

Now I'm looking at "http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0212/pt09.html"...Ha! And he is trying to tell me, that yankee soliders are good-boys!?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

All voluntary soldiers are hired killers.

[Sabocat]

Kelvin9.

I can't remember where I found that article. I just used Google and searched for "mile of death...iraq". I was actually looking for the UN regulation regarding the targeting of retreating soldiers and found that. If you type "mile of death" into the search engine, it will give you a lot of articles on it.