A Quote That I Can Agree With: - Should Communists Be Allowe

[Ghost Writer]

"Out of this long and painstaking examination I have come reluctantly to the conclusion that members of the Communist Party should not be allowed to teach in American colleges. I am now convinced that a member of the Communist Party is not a free man. Freedom, I believe is the most essential ingredient of American civilization and democracy. In the American scheme educational institutions are the foundation stones upon which real freedom rests. Educational institutions can prosper only as they maintain free teaching and research. To maintain free teaching and research the personnel of higher education must accept grave responsibilities and duties as well as the rights and privileges of the academic profession. A teacher must, therefore, be a free seeker after the truth. If, as Jefferson taught, the real purpose of education is to seek out and teach the truth wherever it may lead, then the first obligation and duty of the teacher is to be a free man. Any restraint on the teacher's freedom is an obstacle to the accomplishment of the most important purposes of education."-RAYMOND B. ALLEN

source: Communists Should Not Teach in American Colleges (http://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/50s/raymond-allen.html)

[Liberty Lover]

Agreed. People of extreme political views such as communism and fascism have a history of falsifying and misinterpreting sources so they fit more comfortably into their foul and oppressive ideologies. Take, for example, the American communist historian David Abraham and his book The Collapse of the Weimer Republic. Here Abraham deliberately invents and falsifies archival material in order to discredit German capitalism and blame it for the fall of the Weimer republic. Hundreds of egregious mistakes have been exposed in Abraham’s books, including the printing of inaccurate paraphrase as if they were direct quotations from the documents, mistranslations, inventions and falsifications of the sources.

Such assaults on academia by communists and other extremists have no place in the universities of any nation.

Another example of historical falsification by extremists is David Irving. This anti-Semitic closet Nazi has published books denying the Holocaust. You can find out more about this particular fuckface here (http://www.holocaustdenialontrial.org/ieindex.html).


(Edited by Liberty Lover at 10:59 am on April 25, 2003)

[notyetacommie]

Sorry, dudes, cappies have a much worse record if we talk about lying. Consider the recent pro-war campain. There have been TONS of lie.

Anyway, I don't think there are many communists teaching in the US colleges. No wonder your education is viewed as retarded by so many countries!
As for fascists, they are the guys you really like to work with, the start was given by Allen, CIA chief, who not only kept the Nazi spy network in Europe intact, hiring war criminals, but spent your fathers' tax money to develop it.
Moreover, I would say that capitalism in its essence is an extreme political view, which is much closer to fascism than true socialism/communism.

[Ghost Writer]

"Anyway, I don't think there are many communists teaching in the US colleges."

Hahaha!

[Liberty Lover]

I would say that capitalism in its essence is an extreme political view, which is much closer to fascism than true socialism/communism.

There are many more similarities between communism and fascism than capitalism and fascism. Communist and fascist nations have both attempted to create a viable society by strict regimentation of national and individual lives where conflicting interests are adjusted by total subordination to the service of the state and unquestioning loyalty to its leader.

However, under capitalism a minimum of government supervision is required; if competition is present, economic activity will be self-regulating. Government is necessary only to protect society from foreign attack and uphold the rights of private property.

[Ghost Writer]

I am still laughing at your assertion that there are no communists teaching at the university level. Have you ever attended a university? McCarthy lost his war, and since then our school system has been subject to a severe infection. Not a bad idea to infiltrate one of the main socializing institutions, as you can impact an entire generation's political culture that way.

(Edited by Ghost Writer at 11:54 am on April 25, 2003)

[CubanFox]

McCarthy was an idiot. He was a drunk who farted and belched without apology. He had absolutely no finesse in the manner in which he carried out this 'war'. It was just sowing the seeds for the fear of a perfectly legitimate political movement.

[Ghost Writer]

I suppose you would claim that Al Qaeda is also a "perfectly legitimate political movement" also.

I got news for you. Political movements that expressed the desire to overthrow the U.S. government, or commit acts of terrorism, sabotage, espionage, and treason are not legitimate, they are criminal organizations.

[CubanFox]

Tell me, in your own words, why you think al Qaeda is doing what it does.

And here's my thoughts on the whole topic: God forbid children ever have exposure to all ideologies and *gasp* MAKE UP THEIR OWN MINDS!

EDIT: Yes, they are a movement with a legitimate idea. Their methods, however, are wrong.

(Edited by CubanFox at 12:06 pm on April 25, 2003)

[Ghost Writer]

Just as I suspected. The Feds are on their way.

[CubanFox]

Wow, smart comment!

al Qaeda's methods are wrong, as I said before. They want American troops taken out of the Middle East. Perfectly fine. However, to do this they have chosen a stupid method which will probably bring them down; terrorism. It's awful, but it's not a sign of eeeevil. It's a sign of desperation. Nonetheless, it is still wrong.

[Ghost Writer]

About as smart as you giving Al Qaeda any benefit of the doubt. News flash: Al Qaeda doesn't really give a shit about our foriegn policy, as much as it does our culture.


(Edited by Ghost Writer at 12:26 pm on April 25, 2003)

[CubanFox]

You must be joking.

[Ghost Writer]

Nope. In fact, I have discussed this topic many times. If you really care go dig up my remarks, as I don't feel like repeating them now. You can find many of my quotes archived under a thread called Stormin Norman's Legacy. Do a search, if you wish.

[CubanFox]

I found something about global warming, but not al Qaeda.

[redstar2000]

Thanks, LL, for the tip on David Abraham's The Collapse of the Weimar Republic: Political Economy and Crisis. Sounds like a good one; though if you have a link to a critical review(s), I'd be glad to take a look.

To the topic at hand, what exactly is "a communist" in this context and, if they are not to permitted to teach in American colleges, how is such a provision to be enforced?

The practical, not to mention litigational difficulties would mount exponentially. It would turn into a horrendous morass and a world-wide intellectual scandal.

The last country to purge its higher educational system of "unreliables" was the Third Reich, of course...an early warning of the horrors to come.

So, it won't happen...and actually doesn't need to. The small number of Marxist academics in the U.S. are well aware of the fact that a "business-oriented" university system has no need of their talents...and consequently find themselves relegated to small liberal-arts colleges or seeking employment in civilized countries.

And yes, the numbers are quite small...unless your definition of "communist" is anyone who has been influenced by Marxism: women's studies, queer studies, black studies, literary deconstructionism, etc., etc. The numbers would definitely start to mount up then, well into the thousands probably.

Perhaps the best strategy, from the capitalist point of view, is to shut down every kind of higher education except business school, law school, med school, and the hard sciences...and send all those potential trouble-makers to get jobs at Walmart or McDonalds.

A life of minimum-wage drudgery and compulsory television-viewing is all the poor dumb bastards really deserve anyway, right?

:cool:

[Robot Rebellion]

Ah, yes. We would never want Einstein teaching at an university http://www.feesch2.co.uk/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Funny you should mention Jefferson... Check out freedom oriented Jefferson with these quotes...

"As soon as I had got clear of the town I fell in with a poor woman walking at the same rate with myself and going the same course. Wishing to know the condition of the laboring poor I entered into conversation with her.... As we had walked together near a mile and she has so far served me as a guide, I gave her, on parting, 24 sous. She burst into tears of a gratitude which I could perceive was unfeigned because she was unable to utter a word. She had probably never before received so great an aid. This little attendrissement, with the solitude of my walk, led me into a train of reflections on that unequal ision of property which occasions the numberless instances of wretchedness which I had observed in this country and is to be observed all over Europe.

The property of this country is absolutely concentred in a very few hands.... I am conscious that an equal ision of property is impractical, but the consequences of this enormous inequality producing so much misery to the bulk of mankind, legislators cannot invent too many devices for subiding property, only taking care to let their subisions go hand in hand with the natural affections of the human mind.... Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt taxation below a certain point and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there are in any country uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right. The earth is given as a common stock for man to labor and live on. If for the encouragement of industry we allow it to be appropriated, we must take care that other employment be provided to those excluded from the appropriation. If we do not, the fundamental right to labor the earth returns to the unemployed."

While it is a moot question whether the origin of any kind of property is derived from Nature at all ... it is considered by those who have seriously considered the subject, that no one has, of natural right, a separate property in an acre of land ... Stable ownership is the gift of social law, and is given late in the progress of society. by Thomas Jefferson

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly
belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."-- Thomas Jefferson

If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density in any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation. Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property. Society may give an exclusive right to the profits arising from them, as an encouragement to men to pursue ideas which may produce utility, but this may or may not be done, according to the will and convenience of the society, without claim or complaint from any body. Accordingly, it is a fact, as far as I am informed, that England was, until wecopied her, the only country on earth which ever, by a general law, gave a legal right to the exclusive use of an idea. In some other countries it is sometimes done, in a great case, and by a special and personal act, but, generally speaking, other nations have thought that these monopolies produce more embarrassment than advantage to society; and it may be observed that the nations which refuse monopolies of invention, are as fruitful as England in new and useful devices.

I will now add what I do not like. First the omission of a bill of rights providing clearly and without the aid of sophisms for freedom of religion, freedom of the press, protection against standing armies, restriction against monopolies, the eternal and unremitting force of the habeas corpus laws, and trials by jury in all matters of fact triable by the laws of the land and not by the law of Nations.

"Then I say, the earth belongs to each of these generations during its course, fully and in its own right. The second generation receives it clear of the debts and incumbrances of the first, the third of the second, and so on. For if the first could charge it with a debt, then the earth would belong to the dead and not to the living generation. Then, no generation can contract debts greater than may be paid during the course of its own existence." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison

I suppose with those words, you can cross Thomas Jefferson off your teaching list, eh?

(Edited by Robot Rebellion at 10:56 pm on April 25, 2003)

[Boris Moskovitz]

RR... That was the best quotation ever... XD
Actually, I was just joking, but I'm not being sarcastic, the quotation was nice though. I guess some moron will say 'BUT JEFFRSONS A CAPTAL!!11 HES GOWD!11'

Anyway, about Al Quaida, or whatever's the name of the organisation. I have to tell... Osama Bin Laden is no angel, but it is no reason to say he's the worst person in this universe, you capitalist son of a... whatever.

Okay, so I am not all for him, I don't worship him. Okay, he attacked the US because they are screwing the Middle-East, you think the attack in Afghanistan and Iraq will solve that? You've only created more of them! Mwahahahahah! You morons don't know how to deal with terrorists! You should know that it will only create more Anti-American ideas. If you keep doing that, then it will only get worse.

End of my friggin' message.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Great idea.

American civilisation built on freedom.

Lololol

It's built on the corpses of native indians, enslaved africans and millions of mexican workers.

Freedom of speech=to say what ever you want to to say.

Freedom Imperialist style=to say what fits your boss and the conservative government. (communist bad, in god we trust, fighting for "freedom", etc)

[Ghost Writer]

I don't think the hiring practices of colleges or universities ought to be regulated to a great degree by the state or federal governments. However, I do think those institutions should make a prudent business decision about who they hire and give tenure to. Complaints about how students are getting the minds warped my the liberal arts colleges are on the rise, and such distortion of the truth will surely hurt that institution's bottom line. I will tell you this much, I would never hire a leftist. To ensure that I don't I will tailor part of the interview as a means to gauge a person's political affiliation. Leftists need not apply, because they are lazy, they steal, and they wish to slit the throat of the "dirty capitalist" that hires them. Loyalty is important to me, and you will not find it among any leftwingers. This is evidenced by them constantly killing and disappearing each other in an attemt to gain power in those many Stalinist states that have existed.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Once again you show, why it's useless to discus with you.

What are you ffs doing here?

If you see us leftists as a lower human beeing?

Stupid mormon get a fuckin Life!!

Search some friends or something and stop spamming us under with your dumb notitions.

[Sabocat]

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 1:35 am on April 26, 2003
I don't think the hiring practices of colleges or universities ought to be regulated to a great degree by the state or federal governments. However, I do think those institutions should make a prudent business decision about who they hire and give tenure to. Complaints about how students are getting the minds warped my the liberal arts colleges are on the rise, and such distortion of the truth will surely hurt that institution's bottom line. I will tell you this much, I would never hire a leftist. To ensure that I don't I will tailor part of the interview as a means to gauge a person's political affiliation. Leftists need not apply, because they are lazy, they steal, and they wish to slit the throat of the "dirty capitalist" that hires them. Loyalty is important to me, and you will not find it among any leftwingers. This is evidenced by them constantly killing and disappearing each other in an attemt to gain power in those many Stalinist states that have existed.


So you're saying in some degree the state and federal government should regulate the hiring practices of universities. Hmmm...I thought all you right wing republicans wanted less government not more.

Complaints of warped minds from Liberal Arts colleges? Complaints by whom, Bill O'Reilly? Complaints from the neo-nazi right wing in the mid west? Laughable.

Tailor an interview? That's illegal in this country. It's called discrimination. I also don't think McDonald's would let you alter their employment application and interview process would they?

Left wingers are disappearing people? I think you might have that backwards. A quick look at Central and South America will refresh you're memory as to who's disappearing people. I think you'll find that the right wing regimes there (CIA backed and trained of course) are the one's responsible for a large number of "disappeared".

(Edited by Disgustapated at 2:19 am on April 26, 2003)

[Xvall]

Agreed. People of extreme political views such as communism and fascism have a history of falsifying and misinterpreting sources so they fit more comfortably into their foul and oppressive ideologies.

Yeah. We all not how un-extreme McCarthy was. God Bless America.

[antieverything]

...I guess he want's to extend CIA hiring practices to the educational sphere as both effect national security...sad fascist bastard.

[CubanFox]

How are their minds being warped by liberal arts colleges, GW?

[Exploited Class]

Its just a repeated show of an immature state of mind, always coming back to do the same thing the white males in power have done over and over again. Isolate somebody anybody and make them different.

Women couldn't teach at one point, be doctors or hold seats in government. Same with minorities, who had to fight first to no longer be owned by this same group, but later to have rights as the other groups.

That whole state of mind of seperation, living in their communities, having their own clubs, hiring their own kind, going to their own schools, their own military. Once one group starts to get into any of these secluded organizations and structure of power, they find something else to be worried about something else to isolate.

I am not at all suprised to see any of them wanted to keep communist members out of everything. If it is one thing white males are good at, that is keeping people groups of people away from them. If they had their way, they would remove people who sided with leftist intent, ability to legaly vote. Except they don't need to because they just give the two parties 200 million each and guarantee that there will be nobody else to vote for, that anybody will know much about.

Look at the 40's and 50's, several million socialist/communist and what did the power structure do? Came in and wiped it out with fear tactics, union breakers, laws passed making it illegal to be communist, the gestapo could only wish for results like that.

And they were just as right to do that, as they were keeping women unable to vote, serve in the military, and blacks and Indians.

[Hampton]

To ensure that I don't I will tailor part of the interview as a means to gauge a person's political affiliation.

Yea, I bet that's legal.


Leftists need not apply, because they are lazy, they steal, and they wish to slit the throat of the "dirty capitalist" that hires them.

Just like those blacks who show up 15 minutes late for work and won't listen to the white man. Yea I bet.

[redstar2000]

"I will tell you this much, I would never hire a leftist."

hee hee, as if you could find one, Ghost, that would want to work for you at any pay.

:cool:

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 5:59 pm on April 25, 2003
I suppose you would claim that Al Qaeda is also a "perfectly legitimate political movement" also.

I got news for you. Political movements that expressed the desire to overthrow the U.S. government, or commit acts of terrorism, sabotage, espionage, and treason are not legitimate, they are criminal organizations.


Overthrowing the US government, is not terrorism. It is our rights as Americans to take it upon ourselves to overthrow the system, if we see fit.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Why should extreme right-wingers be allowed to teach in universities? If the subject being tought is disputed, I believe the head of the department can manage to agree or compromise on a rational answer to the problem. It does not matter weather the teacher is a leftist or a right-winger, unless of course, you happen to be a McCarthyist, such as yourself.

Again, you capies are trying to subjugate people. These attempts at setting everyone apart by creating a notion that they want to "ruin" our perfect nation has been seen before has it not? You are always trying to create hatred and promote a mentality that excludes minorities, a mentality that sets minorities into their own community, away from you, ultimately, a mentality that halts diversity. And you still acuse us socialists of trying destroying diversity! The workers of the world will unite, regardless. Your attempts of deunifying the proletariat will not work!

(Edited by Victorcommie at 6:38 am on April 26, 2003)


(Edited by Victorcommie at 7:01 am on April 26, 2003)

[CubanFox]

People who think McCarthy was on to something scare me.

[hazard]

reply to original:

if you remove all communists from universities, you will similarly remove all intelligent and reasonable professors. to understand communism and be one is to understand the higher ideal of truth. not this bullshit about "freedom", I mean what kind of a fucking idiot doesn't know what "freedom" means in capitalism? I suppose racists like ghost whiter would prefer lying slaves who tow the company line over wise and effective professors who can, and will, make a difference that doesn't translate into profit margins.

[Liberty Lover]

LOL LMFAO LOL LOL LMFAO This is the funniest shit you have posted yet.

[hazard]

no, I think my bit on your PROZAK pic is even better. have a look see.

take it you disagree. way to disagree with your own point of departure. for if universities are populated with communists, clearly communists are intelligent. no? YES!

[Liberty Lover]

Your arrogant assertion that everyone who isn't a communist must be stupid was amusing through it's ignorance. The PROZAK thing is just stupid.

[hazard]

hey, fuckwad, that wasn't an assertion. that was an implication.

[Liberty Lover]

My sincerest apologies.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Nevertheless, removing all communist proffesors would be an outrage. It would be like saying, "We won't tolerate Communism to have a voice." Which is extremely unconstitutional, not to say barbaric and immoral.

[Ghost Writer]

How is it unconstitutional if the university is purely practicing its right to hire those they feel will enhance the quality of education for their students. If the non-hiring of communists by the universities is being done as a prudent business decision, there is nothing unconstituional about that. The university is exercising its right of free-association. I refer you to the gays vs. the boy scouts. That's like saying the Dixie Chicks boycott is a free-speech issue, and is clearly the thinking of a convoluted mind.

[Ghost Writer]

Hazard,

Although communists are a lower order of life, my intent to discriminate against them can not be construed as racist. Claiming that I am racist, is like claiming that Hazard is intelligent. Both claims are false.

[Ghost Writer]

"So you're saying in some degree the state and federal government should regulate the hiring practices of universities"

Yes, I am. If those institutions get any amount of funding from the public trough, then the hiring practices should and are overseen by the state issuing the funding. This is a fact, but it is usually left to the descretion of those who are administrators of the university. However, there is some oversight carried out by the state that bankrolls the public university. To think that the state has no say in the matter, is naive. Clearly, the reputation of the state school is of interest to the state that is competing for student tuition, and attendance.

[synthesis]

Perfect capitalist hypocrisy.

Defying capitalism to protect capitalism, Norman?

That's like destroying democracy and free speech in order to save it.

[Ghost Writer]

Below is a list of the major laws concerning discrimination in hiring practices. Although it is true that governmental institutions do not dicriminate based on political affiliation, I can find no law that regulates such activity in the private sector. Furthermore, this would be difficult to prove.

Like all interviews, mine will be conducted with certain situational questions that would give me insight into the character of the applicant. As it stands, qualification and character still remain useful guidelines for which employers can make a rational decision when it comes to hiring. Surely, I would not be dumb enough to ask a persons political affiliation outright, but would tailor my questions to get a sense of where an applicant stands philosophically. Then I would make a judgement about the persons character. In fact, this is how all interviews are carried out, and it would be impossible to prove the criteria with which a personal decision was made with respect to hiring individuals.

1.)Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin and sex. It also prohibits sex discrimination on the basis of pregnancy and sexual harassment.

2.)The Equal Pay Act of 1963. Prohibits employers from paying different wages to men and women who perform essentially the same work under similar working conditions.

3.)The Civil Rights Act of 1966. Prohibits discrimination based on race or ethnic origin.

4.)The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. Prohibits discrimination on the basis of national origin or citizenship of persons who are authorized to work in the United States.

5.)The Americans with Disabilities Act. Prohibits discrimination against persons with disabilities.

6.)The Bankruptcy Act. Prohibits discrimination against anyone who has declared bankruptcy.

7.)Equal Employment Opportunity Act. Prohibits discrimination against minorities based on poor credit ratings.

8.)The Age Discrimination in Employment Act (ADEA). Prohibits discrimination against individuals who are age 40 or above.

source: Employment Laws regarding discrimination (http://www.allbusiness.com/articles/content/128.asp)

About the only law that would cover the discrimination of left-wingers would be the American with Disabilities Act. Since many leftwingers appear to be mentally handicapped, I suppose they might be able to make a case under that particular law. However, that would require them to admit that their political beliefs are, in fact, deranged.

[Solla]

STATEMENT: I am so glad I was born in Europe!

It is possible to set ones political believes aside on occation. My mother-in-law and her mother are so convinced cappies it makes me want to puke. And we still make it work! I think it is wrong to ban some people from doing their jobs just because they don't vote the way their boss does or happen to be part of some political group. That does not mean they are going to scar their students for life! They may of course have some influence on children but so does TV, their parents, their friends' parents etc.
Banning all leftists from teaching is pure discrimination.

[CubanFox]

Why must we insist on calling each other 'lower forms of life' and whatnot? Why don't we just treat each other with respect and debate in a civilized manner? (this applies to everyone, cappie pukes and commie bastards alike)

[mentalbunny]

Please quit with the flaming and ad hominem arguements.

This thread makes for very amusing reading, I have to say. I'd like to say that education is not just training, it is helping a mind develop for itself, reaching its full potential of reasoning. As is clear here everyone has different opinions, that is natural, at least in the current circumstances, who knows what the future might hold. When someone is teaching they should put aside their personal opinions and look at things objectively. A teacher should hold no opinions, just express the opinions of others, clearly stating who holds this opinion and not tainting it with any kind of propaganda or similar.

One other thing I'd like to say, how are leftists lazy? Would you call Ernesto Guevara lazy? Or even Stalin? I knwo he had many unpleasant characteristics but he did work hard, that cannot be denied, unless you can prove that reports of his hard work (there's a thread in History about it) are all fabrications. Leftists are not lazy, we work hard to put our ideals into practice, just because we do not work hard for money or status does not make us lazy.

[Dirty Commie]

Rich cappie brats.

[notyetacommie]

Quote: from Liberty Lover on 11:47 am on April 25, 2003

I would say that capitalism in its essence is an extreme political view, which is much closer to fascism than true socialism/communism.

There are many more similarities between communism and fascism than capitalism and fascism. Communist and fascist nations have both attempted to create a viable society by strict regimentation of national and individual lives where conflicting interests are adjusted by total subordination to the service of the state and unquestioning loyalty to its leader.

However, under capitalism a minimum of government supervision is required; if competition is present, economic activity will be self-regulating. Government is necessary only to protect society from foreign attack and uphold the rights of private property.



And that minimum of government supervision is limited to destroying the freedom of speech, of course. Which is fascist. Your view of communism is flawed, if you say this bullshit.

Your model of capitalism is now at work in Russia, where ALL capitalists are either criminals or pay criminals to stay alive. The government involvement is minimal, if existing at all. The social benefits ruined.
The population decreases by more than a million people a year. All thanks to capitalism. The industry is not working. People in the country sell their milking cows (which was ONLY done during the war time in the USSR) to pay their electricity bills to capitalist energy firms (which up to this point use the equipment produced collectively during the Soviet times)
In Russia, Yeltsin banned the communist party, and banned the People's deputies congress in 1993. Unconstitutionally. Fascist style. And there you go- he was fully supported by you, fascist right-wingers.

Anyway, the USA is such a fucked-up country, why argue about its education system?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

okay, so I won't rely on federal laws to uphold basic morality and fairness. It still does not change the fact that no one should be prevented from teaching based on political idealogy. Weather they're extremists or not. Anyone should have a right to work in any proffession, regardless of political prefference, unless you want people to hide their identity in order to get a fucking job? Any teacher will incorporate their values and thoughts into a lesson, no matter what. It may agree with the curriculum, or it may not, it may agree with society's values, or it may not. Restricting the curriculum and the teachers only to those that agree with this countries narrow-minded mindset will create a yet more ignorant populace. If your ideas were to ba takes fairly, anyone with any political views, should be banned from teaching, which is impossible. The only reason why capitalist teachers don't appear as extremists or radicals is because they agree with everything that the curriculum teaches and everything that the students have been tought since they were all children. If students feel confused, they can read, or question their teacher.

[Ghost Writer]

Let me ask all of the capitalists here. Would you guys hire the left-wing trash that frequents this board? Based solely on the average intelligence of those who represent the left, on this board, I would have to say that I would refuse to hire them just because they lack the kind ingenuity that I am looking for in an employee. Now what are you pinkos going to do? File a complaint because you presented yourself in a less than professional manner. After all, that is going to be my explanation for why you did not get the job. I will tell the EEOC that you came in swearing and sporting a mohawk. I am sure they will understand why I hired the more qualified candidate. Based on what I have seen here, your average left winger is not smart enough to handle a stove, let alone a distillation column.

[Liberty Lover]

How old are you?

[CubanFox]

GW, you seem to be inable to having a civilized debate without resorting to pointless insults.

(Edited by CubanFox at 11:54 am on April 28, 2003)

[Liberty Lover]

Don't blame your stupidity on Norm.

[kylie]

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Why must we insist on calling each other 'lower forms of life' and whatnot? Why don't we just treat each other with respect and debate in a civilized manner?
capitalism isnt based on equality, so its naive to expect supporters of it to be different.

Based on what I have seen here, your average left winger is not smart enough to handle a stove, let alone a distillation column.
this coming from someone who purposely gets banned, then makes a new account. the same kind of irrationality and focus on the short term displayed by capitalism.

How old are you?
as this board has shown, maturity and intelligence are not really correlated with age.

Below is a list of the major laws concerning discrimination in hiring practices.
sure, there are laws to supposedly protect people from discrimination, but the problem is utilising them. most people either dont know about them, cant afford to go to court, are worried it may cost them their job, or dont know how they can be used(threatening to go to court, etc)

[Invader Zim]

Tell me Ghost writer (can i call you SN still because i keep on forgetting you are now Ghost writer) is the intelect of the common US student so low as not to be able to make an informed decision. Even if you did have communists teaching in the US collages and Unviversitys. Then surely these people are educated and bright enough to make there own decisions regarding there political ideology. They could make an informed decision taking into account the arguments of both sides. Especially as there will be many capitalist proffesors out numbering the Communist proffesors

You make the point that any dammage to the USA system of government should not be tolerated, however what if a democratically elected socialist party was in power and made the appropriarte changes to the US constitution achive socialism. With out however removing any human rights such as free speach. How would you stop that. Or have free and fair elections become unamerican?

Based on what I have seen here, your average left winger is not smart enough to handle a stove, let alone a distillation column.

I am sure most people on this board are far more qualified than you or will be by the time they have completed there education.

Thankfuly i am British and will not have to go to a US university, even Harvard, Yale and Prinston are a bit below the league of Oxford and Cambridge.

So tell me your qualification, which are so much greater than leftists.

How is it unconstitutional if the university is purely practicing its right to hire those they feel will enhance the quality of education for their students.

But it would not. If you get to the standard of ability where you are asked to be a university proffesor, then whether you are of left or right idiology you are of significantly high intalect. Which completely disproves your theorys of leftist inteligence.

File a complaint because you presented yourself in a less than professional manner. After all, that is going to be my explanation for why you did not get the job. I will tell the EEOC that you came in swearing and sporting a mohawk.

Supprisingly enough most leftists do not either swear in interviews or have mohawks. Well at least the ones i know. I think you are confusing leftists with people who sport mohawks and swear.

Hazard,

Although communists are a lower order of life, my intent to discriminate against them can not be construed as racist. Claiming that I am racist, is like claiming that Hazard is intelligent. Both claims are false.

And you wonder why you were banned?

[mentalbunny]

AK47, that was an awesome post.

Dirty Commie, please don't insult anyone, it doesn't help the whole procerss, although I totally understand the sentiment.

Ghost writer, I have to say that most intelligent people I meet arte left-wing, although of course many if the right-wingers I know are very qualified to do their jobs and are intelligent in some ways as well. I suppose it depends on what you call intelligent, what kind of work do your employees do?

[Klondike]

Ghost Writer, first I'd like to express my disagreement with you and the other right-wingers on this board. Preventing us Communists from teaching at universities is horribly immoral and unjustifiable. There is no reason why you capitalists should fear Communism's influence. The mindset in America is so right-wing oriented, that a few Communist teachers would make no difference. If the teacher is truly a Communist, he'll simply express his Communistic views on the subject. It isn't as if he'll lie to the students, it isn't as if he'll change any facts. He may simply offer new ideas and new views to their narrow-minds restricted to democrat-republican views. If he does lie, then the students, being "smart capitalists" (who are apperently smarter than commies), will know that he is lieing. I mean, if capitalists are so much more intellectualy superior, why should they be influence by some [sarcasm] stupid communists?

I particularly enjoyed Victorcommie's argument, I'd like to add to the fact that any teacher might try to change the minds of the students, not only socilaists. I'll use an example: Today my history TOLD, not explained, that the war in Iraq was NOT fought to generate power for America, since we won't actualy claim any oil. Aside from the sheer ignorace of the man's statement, he clearly sought to clear up any notion among his students that the war was fought for imperialistic reasons. This, comming from a voice of authority is highly influential to high schoolers.

[Ghost Writer]

"And you wonder why you were banned?"

Hey AK47,

Hazard is the one who is constantly threatening to kill me. Of course, you would choose to ignore that, just as you ignore the crimes committed by the many left-wing governments around the world.

It never ceases to amaze me how blind you allow yourselves to become in the name of ideology. I find this to be truly despicable, and this is the main reason many of your kind does not get the benefit of my respect. Another reason why many communists on this board are targeted by my spite remains the very ideas they express. Those who make decent points and do not present themselves in a manner that would lead me to refuse employing them often times get that respect, or should I say tolerance. Those who foam at the mouth preaching plain ignorance, like todays #1 rap album, get nothing but criticism.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 10:22 am on April 30, 2003
"And you wonder why you were banned?"

Hey AK47,

Hazard is the one who is constantly threatening to kill me. Of course, you would choose to ignore that, just as you ignore the crimes committed by the many left-wing governments around the world.

It never ceases to amaze me how blind you allow yourselves to become in the name of ideology. I find this to be truly despicable, and this is the main reason many of your kind does not get the benefit of my respect. Another reason why many communists on this board are targeted by my spite remains the very ideas they express. Those who make decent points and do not present themselves in a manner that would lead me to refuse employing them often times get that respect, or should I say tolerance. Those who foam at the mouth preaching plain ignorance, like todays #1 rap album, get nothing but criticism.

And this has what do to with the conversation at hand.

Of course, you would choose to ignore that, just as you ignore the crimes committed by the many left-wing governments around the world.

You will actually find if you read my posts i condem the tyranical oppressors such as stalin more even than you do. However i would like to point out to you that the capitalist oppressors are far worse in general.

I would also like to point out that i have been civil towards you and have several questions for you to answer, please could you answer them, instead of teaching me that i am a yob and lower life form because of my political idiology.

AK47

PS Im sure that Hazard does not really want to kill you, he was probably just getting angery and posted some stuff he did not mean.