"Where's OUR share, mate?" Say Aussies - Australian Business

[redstar2000]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/business/2971795.stm

Canberra sent 2,000 combat troops to Iraq...now it's time for payback.

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[Boris Moskovitz]

Crikey! Go Aus! Go!

Ahem... Anyway... I have nothing really to say... But SOME nations just want a part of poor Iraq's ''Stuff''...

For the 4th time, I think, I'm an idiot

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

What are they going to captalize next?

Love?!

0 o.....wait.....they allready did that.

[Liberty Lover]

I hope we do get a good slice.

[nz revolution]

damn I wish Helen Clark opted for the war, I really wanted our capitalists to do well so they are even stronger to put us workers down...

[Xvall]

Slice? Slice? Is that what this is? Who the fuck do you people think you are? You're treating this like some fantasy novel, where you're intreped band of adventurers goes into this dungeon, kills everything in it (After all, shit living in dungeons are evil!) and gets a slice of the treasure? Do you think this is some type of game? Show's how devoted you actually are to the liberation of these countries.

[Liberty Lover]

DD,
Someone has to rebuild the place and Iraqi's are in no position to do so. I just hope America shares out the rebuilding contracts with its allies.

Now that Powell's claim about oil that "one thing I can assure you of is that it will be held in trust for the Iraqi people, to benefit the Iraqi people" has been proven correct, I suppose you think the war was about construction contracts.

(Edited by Liberty Lover at 4:10 am on April 25, 2003)

[Liberty Lover]

Quote: from nz revolution on 3:27 am on April 25, 2003
damn I wish Helen Clark opted for the war, I really wanted our capitalists to do well so they are even stronger to put us workers down...


I would hate to live in New Zealand. It would have to be the most dead beat country in the world. Don't worry but, you'll soon be Australia's 7th state.

[Ghost Writer]

Why shouldn't Australia get access to trade in Iraq. The certainly deserve it more than the French or Germans, which oppossed a war in Iraq, preferring to keep a man who uses torture as a political tool in power, just to protect their trade relations with a man who builds palaces while his people starve.

We reserve the right to bill Iraq for their liberation. Freedom is not free of charge, it has its price, like everything else.

[redstar2000]

Did Colin Powell really say "one thing I can assure you of is that [the oil] will be held in trust for the Iraqi people, to benefit the Iraqi people"?

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

What a great line! This is a man with a real future...in stand-up comedy.

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[Ghost Writer]

Produce evidence that suggests otherwise. Mutual benefit for mutual exchange may be in effect here, but I don't see how the Iraqi people do not stand to benefit.

[synthesis]

We reserve the right to bill Iraq for their liberation.How so? That's like nailing a Snickers bar to somebody's arm and then forcing you to pay them for it at gunpoint.

[Donut Master]

Time to do some answering...

Someone has to rebuild the place and Iraqi's are in no position to do so.

Who are you to say what the Iraqis cannot do? They have every right to rebuild Iraq on their own terms, at least more right than an illegally occupying power which took control through an illegal war does!

The Iraqi people are glad that Saddam is gone, but they want the US out. This is clearly shown by the massive demonstrations (http://www.dawn.com/2003/04/19/top16.htm) that have been taking place against US occupation. Yes, they will need assistance, but it should come from a neutral power like the UN, and the Iraqis should call the shots on how the reconstruction is carried out. I simply see no reason not to let them do this. Not only is it in the intrest for Iraq, but the US as well - rebellion could quickly turn violent if the US does not leave very soon.

Now that Powell's claim about oil that "one thing I can assure you of is that it will be held in trust for the Iraqi people, to benefit the Iraqi people" has been proven correct, I suppose you think the war was about construction contracts.

Colin Powell is rapidly losing any credebility he once had with me. And this hasn't been proven at all. The quality of life in Iraq remains destitute. Looting continues, fires are everywhere, electricity and running water is nonexistant. American troops fired into a crowd of demonstrators (http://melbarchive.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=46307&group=webcast), killing at least 10 and wounding a hundred, a violent act of repression that the Iraqi people will only be further enraged by.

Please, for everyone's sake, the US must leave Iraq immidately, before this whole sitatuion erupts into terrible violence.

Why shouldn't Australia get access to trade in Iraq. The certainly deserve it more than the French or Germans, which oppossed a war in Iraq, preferring to keep a man who uses torture as a political tool in power, just to protect their trade relations with a man who builds palaces while his people starve.

Austrialia can trade with Iraq when the independant, Iraqi controlled government is established.

Germany opposed the war for moral reasons, although I can't say the same for Chirac, who did oppose the war for political reasons. I don't like it, but it's better than a president who starts a war for political reasons!

We reserve the right to bill Iraq for their liberation.

What exactly do you mean by this...? Sounds like a poor excuse for imperialism to me. If we do indeed intend to liberate Iraq, then the next step is to get the people in charge, not establish a puppet-government.

Freedom is not free of charge, it has its price, like everything else.

Let me remind you that the Iraqi people did not choose to have this war. This is another bullshit statement used as a weak excuse for your imperialist occupation. The Iraqis aren't even free yet - yes, decades of curel dictatorship have ended, but a new regime is about to begin.

Iraq will not be free until every US soldier has left the country!

[RedComrade]

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 5:54 am on April 25, 2003
Why shouldn't Australia get access to trade in Iraq. The certainly deserve it more than the French or Germans, which oppossed a war in Iraq, preferring to keep a man who uses torture as a political tool in power, just to protect their trade relations with a man who builds palaces while his people starve.

We reserve the right to bill Iraq for their liberation. Freedom is not free of charge, it has its price, like everything else.


I thought capitalism was based on the philosophy that whoever is willing to risk the most or does the job the best gets the rewards. The type of carrot/stick political capitalism you are suggesting is nothing more than vaguely concealed clientalism. Where do you stand Norm? are you a nationalist/clientalist or are you true to the principles of your economic ideology?

[Ghost Writer]

Donut,

Then I suppose that you would allow a Shiite uprising inside Iraq. That's foolish, and defeats the whole purpose for the war in Iraq, which was to decrease the threats to American values that exist in that region. Let's not forget that this was a war waged to better our national security situation. The chaos that could result from such an uprising would defeat the progress we have made in that region.

I have always said that maintaining stability inside Iraq after the power vacuum was created was the real challenge, not winning the war. We most stay their and make sure that a form of democracy is created that fits into the Western model. Furthermore, all the societal, religious, and ethnic divisions within that country must be adressed by the new government. We should stay there and make sure that those goals are met. Walking away and letting mob mentality and old rivalries surface in the form of violence would not only undercut our reasons for waging war, and instilling a democracy, but it would be a betrayal bigger than not backing the uprisings that occurred during the first Gulf War. For now we must take a paternalistic approach, and maintain order. Otherwise, your guess is a good as mine, with respect to the type of brutal dictator that will surface from the chaos that will follow our withdrawl.

[Liberty Lover]

The Iraqi people are glad that Saddam is gone, but they want the US out. This is clearly shown by the massive demonstrations that have been taking place against US occupation.

These demonstrations were partaken by extreme Shiite fundamentalists organised by the Iranian government. They do not represent the Sunni's and Kurds, or for that matter the majority of Shiites. U.S. forces are now patrolling the boarder with Iran so you can expect these misguided protests to die down soon enough.

Colin Powell is rapidly losing any credibility he once had with me.

My respect for Powell has increased since this conflict begun. I'm starting to think the State Department doesn't need purging after all.

And this hasn't been proven at all. The quality of life in Iraq remains destitute.

Iraq's oil production has only just resumed.

Please, for everyone's sake, the US must leave Iraq immediately, before this whole situation erupts into terrible violence.

Surely you cannot be serious. The US forces are all that’s preventing Iraq from turning into Somalia.


(Edited by Liberty Lover at 6:57 am on April 25, 2003)

[Ghost Writer]

All very good points. At least somebody around here knows what they are talking about.

[nz revolution]

Dead beat country hahaha. Thanks to new right economic policies introduced by the treacherous Labour Party. John Howards a gimp "please don't take your frustrations out on our servicemen over in Iraq, take it out on me and the government" would he say that if their was an angry commie with a pistol in his face?


Ghost Writer Posted on 5:54 pm on April 25, 2003
Why shouldn't Australia get access to trade in Iraq. The certainly deserve it more than the French or Germans, which oppossed a war in Iraq, preferring to keep a man who uses torture as a political tool in power, just to protect their trade relations with a man who builds palaces while his people starve.

We reserve the right to bill Iraq for their liberation. Freedom is not free of charge, it has its price, like everything else.

Glorious Bush lives a lush life while thousands starve, how many people are homeless and in prisons in the U$A? About 2 mil in prison and 5 mil on the streets. Now thats what I'm talking about...

[redstar2000]

"For now we must take a paternalistic approach, and maintain order."

In the days of the British Empire, I believe that was called "the white man's burden."

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