canadian federal election

[danyboy27]

tomorow, lets vote!

i am voting for the ndp the only party that truly represent the left in canada.

seriously, i hope that one day all the other party will form one big left wing party, like the conservator did, so my vote could really mean something.

[Killfacer]

For those of us not in the kown, could you explain the different main parties involved and who is likely to win?

[danyboy27]

For those of us not in the kown, could you explain the different main parties involved and who is likely to win?

there is
the conservative party: center right, or if you ask me just plain right, advocate a acertain governement laisser faire in the economical field, currently in power, did a certain number of things that somehow helped the working class like lowering taxes of 2 % wich is, a miracle for a canadian political party. they are also verry harsh in everything related to the laws, lower the age to be judged has an adult for exemple.

the bloc quebecois: a party that have has a fgoal to represent the people from the quebec province, a vast territory covered with french speaking people. They never win any election, and the cant, beccause they are only representing for the quebec province and not for the other canadian provinces. they advocated quebec independences long time ago, now its gone. its a left wing party, but due to his verry limited range, they never win the election, and advocate quebec representation.

the new democratic party: a left wing party qith a growing popularity all over the canada, advocating a lot of left wing politics in order to help the canadian people, better institutions, help to unemployed worker, envoronements plants, etc. Since the 3 last election they are quietly gaining more popularity, but we are not there yet.

the liberal party: a centric party, doing a little bit of left and a little bit of right now and then, i usually refer it has the canadian cruise control system,
slow, steady, nothing go bad, nothing goes good, he like the mario character in the mariokart nintendo game, somehow a representation of stagnanism, and implicated in some verry troubled financial fraud.

the green party: dont know much, its not doing jack shit.

thw winner will probably be the conservative party, and he will get the majority.
my opinion: i just hope we gonna be able to get rid of the bloc quebecois one and for all, then the NDP could have more votes for them in the region.

for the moment in quebec there is a overwhelming turn toward the right wing those last year, mainly beccause people here got seriously pissed by left wing party that are doing nothing at all, a lot of people vote right just to kill the bloc quebecois, and i cant blame them, i hate them too, i got the feeling that this party do nothing but mess up the whole canadian politics and make the canada hate the quebec beccause of that

[Dust Bunnies]

le sigh
Steven Harper won, am I right?

[jake williams]

Yes, and I pretty much want to shoot myself in the face. This country blows.

[Killfacer]

Steve Harper? I assume hes the conservative one who wanted to get a majority government?

[Dust Bunnies]

Yup Killerface, but I heard he doesn't have enough in the House of Commons though.

(Note I am American so I don't know what I am talking about) and jammoe I was thinking of moving to Canada, can't be worse than Bush! ;)

[jake williams]

It's complicated. In some sensible ways he's considerably to the right of what's probably the incoming Obama administration, but there's big differences between the American and Canadian systems so you can't directly compare.

In Canada there's a minority government - Harper has about 140 seats in parliament, the "official opposition" Liberals have about 80, they're what's regarded as "centre-left" but it's more appropriately called neoliberal, the Quebec separatist party has 50, and Canada's establishment left has about 40 seats. It's a minority, but the Liberal party right now is sort of, they're not a functioning opposition. The last year and a half of Canadian politics, the government has maybe acted like it would if Harper had a majority, or he might have actually been more radical but he was just trying to put up a moderate front to bide time before he could get a majority and do what he really wants to do, it's hard to say.

But yeah, it's not pleasant right now. Could be a lot worse, but it's pretty ugly. And voter turnout was abysmal. I despise the two-party system in the States for a bunch of reasons, but at least your president gets around half the votes. Stephen Harper got about 38% of the vote, and voter turnout was about 60%.

[danyboy27]

It's complicated. In some sensible ways he's considerably to the right of what's probably the incoming Obama administration, but there's big differences between the American and Canadian systems so you can't directly compare.

In Canada there's a minority government - Harper has about 140 seats in parliament, the "official opposition" Liberals have about 80, they're what's regarded as "centre-left" but it's more appropriately called neoliberal, the Quebec separatist party has 50, and Canada's establishment left has about 40 seats. It's a minority, but the Liberal party right now is sort of, they're not a functioning opposition. The last year and a half of Canadian politics, the government has maybe acted like it would if Harper had a majority, or he might have actually been more radical but he was just trying to put up a moderate front to bide time before he could get a majority and do what he really wants to do, it's hard to say.

But yeah, it's not pleasant right now. Could be a lot worse, but it's pretty ugly. And voter turnout was abysmal. I despise the two-party system in the States for a bunch of reasons, but at least your president gets around half the votes. Stephen Harper got about 38% of the vote, and voter turnout was about 60%.

well, agreed. we need a 2 party system like in the state, i am fron quebec man, and i am so pissed off of the group quebecois.

[Killfacer]

You want a two party system like in the states? But then you lack much choice, you have to vote for two shit parties. Here in england we can vote for an unlimited amount of shit parties and i like it like that.

[spice756]

You want a two party system like in the states? But then you lack much choice, you have to vote for two shit parties. Here in england we can vote for an unlimited amount of shit parties and i like it like that.

No I don't think that is what he is saying.I think he saying we need a system like that in the US.




It's a minority, but the Liberal party right now is sort of, they're not a functioning opposition. The last year and a half of Canadian politics, the government has maybe acted like it would if Harper had a majority


It is a minority and they have opposition.Why would there be no functioning opposition?

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

You want a two party system like in the states? But then you lack much choice, you have to vote for two shit parties. Here in england we can vote for an unlimited amount of shit parties and i like it like that.

Hopefully, The GOP will tear apart at the seams after an Obama slaughter of McCain. There's a very small chance, but it'd be cool if we had a "Christian Right" party or Libertarian or something else. Howver, to believe either party is monolithic is a mistake.

Yeah, the US has two parties, and it sucks. many republicans are voting just because they view it like a team competition and they've worn GOP colors from the crib. And after watching McCain (or bush or reagan) beat out the competition in his bracket to represent against the evil democrat, many get excited...and vice versa. It comes every 4 years and many get are insanely tied up in it sentamentally. It's like Americas own little World Cup.

but thankfully this year it aint about abortion or gay marriage. thank god at least some shit hit the fan, right?

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Oh yeah, Canada. Well, at least Harper didn't win bigger support in Quebec. At least, that's what our news agencys were reporting as a possibility.

[Killfacer]

Im always confused by Americans. In many ways they are reserved and conservative; the dont swear on TV, they hate nudity and are extremely socially conservative. On the other hand they seem over emotional, bordering on the ridiculous. They cry when they see their political leaders, a completely alien idea to any european. I cannot imagine even the most steadfast tory crying at a Cameron rally, in which cameron told the audience that "God loves England, God bless England, we need to change!". Mainly because its a load of meaningless rhetoric. I find this both admirable and alienating, the former because it partially shows that americans have a great interest in politics, the latter because i cannot get rid of the feeling that they are not interested in politics, but in reality want to be part of a big campaign with a superstar candidate.

This is a fair summary of my views of America. Right from the start i admire America, because it was a state bought with the blood of its people but on the other hand it was also at the cost of the blood of England's people. You are both stupidly conservative and consistantly racist/ignorant yet you preach freedom for all. You attempt to free countries from tyranny, yet you do so to secure petrol for your stupid planet destroying SUVs. I do not think i will ever understand America, for all your similarities to your mother country, you have become unrecognisable.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Im always confused by Americans. In many ways they are reserved and conservative; the dont swear on TV, they hate nudity and are extremely socially conservative. On the other hand they seem over emotional, bordering on the ridiculous. They cry when they see their political leaders, a completely alien idea to any european. I cannot imagine even the most steadfast tory crying at a Cameron rally, in which cameron told the audience that "God loves England, God bless England, we need to change!". Mainly because its a load of meaningless rhetoric. I find this both admirable and alienating, the former because it partially shows that americans have a great interest in politics, the latter because i cannot get rid of the feeling that they are not interested in politics, but in reality want to be part of a big campaign with a superstar candidate.

Americans don't care about politics. They just want the next king to reflect their values. They want to love this man.

And by the way, your average American, even one who is above-average concerning political knowledge, does not know, care, or believe important to understand Cameron, or any other British politician for that matter. Your country, in the eyes of most Americans, is probably one of the most respected, yet still viewed as rather insignificant, especielly concerning geo-political issues...which all revolve around America.


This is a fair summary of my views of America. Right from the start i admire America, because it was a state bought with the blood of its people but on the other hand it was also at the cost of the blood of England's people. You are both stupidly conservative and consistantly racist/ignorant yet you preach freedom for all. You attempt to free countries from tyranny, yet you do so to secure petrol for your stupid planet destroying SUVs. I do not think i will ever understand America, for all your similarities to your mother country, you have become unrecognisable.

You could write volume trying to disect the American psyche.


But anyway, I have a lot of respect for many past Americans, even though none of my ancestry, save for a few native americans, were in this part of world. America certainly need not be viewed as a golden city on a hill, lacking any imperfection, but it has still been one of the most progressive societies in history.

As for being racist/ignorant in contemporary times (the list of racist backed atrocities in every nation throughout history is very long) this is more or less directed at the outside. Russians are evil and caniving, for instance.

But this also ties in with why we're unrecognizable to you, and others in GB. When I moved to Texas, I had to mark 'Anglo' as my racial category, and I protested. Even though I'm white, and will happily admit it to anyone, I'm not English. I'm German, Italian, Irish, Ukranian, and some Austrian Jew. It doesn't matter though, they all got on a boat and got here. Now I'm just white.

My neighbor is Indian, and I live down the street from a Pakistani. I have had Jewish and Palestinian proffesors at the same college. I've bought bud from a Shia Muslim with a Puerto Rican girlfriend and a Kenyan roommate. I just got back from my Brazilian friends house after seeing him and his white girlfriend. And nobody cares. Their people all got on a boat too. Now, America has always had a small group who do care, but they're dying out, or becoming reformed, quickly. Thank God.

As for SUVs, I have one. Small, but badass. I hate Hummers, though. That's just fucking ridiculous.

And we've freed lots of countries from tyranny, and haven't seen much back. It'd be nice if we got some oil from Iraq out of this whole thing.

[RGacky3]

I still am not sure if I believe that Canada exists, I've always thought of it of a strange never-never land with lumberjack faries. Maybe one day I'll travel up north and see for myself, then maybe I'll believe Canada is real, until then I'm not sure.

[danyboy27]

I still am not sure if I believe that Canada exists, I've always thought of it of a strange never-never land with lumberjack faries. Maybe one day I'll travel up north and see for myself, then maybe I'll believe Canada is real, until then I'm not sure.

seriously, i hate those stereotypes, it suck so hard.

[danyboy27]

No I don't think that is what he is saying.I think he saying we need a system like that in the US.

no i say canada need a 2 party systemm like the us.

[Killfacer]

Canada is way better than america.

[danyboy27]

Canada is way better than america.

i prefers that stereotype!

but i say: canada is better than the us in places where the healthcare system work!
wich mean, not in québec, but even there its still fun.
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[LOLseph Stalin]

I hated the fucking Canadian election! Damn Harper got a larger minority! Canada needs change. btw, for people who don't know we have two small communist parties: CPC and MLPC. Unfortunately they can't make a difference because of their size. :(

CPC=Communist party of Canada
MLPC=Marxist-Leninist party of Canada

[Killfacer]

They cant make a difference because they are a bunch of outmoded useless archaic fossils.

[Algernon]

in this past election the Marxist-Leninist dude in my riding got 129 votes, or 0.2% of the vote. This is a drop of 0.3%. I doubt this party will make any sort of impact any time soon. I read their platform and they essentially call for the immediate withdrawal from every treaty, pact, and trade agreement Canada has made, which would be a total disaster.

There's a great youtube clip that summarizes the election quite well. I can't post the link, but you should do a search for "Rick Mercer Report Election Kids"

[spice756]

no i say canada need a 2 party systemm like the us.

Are you joking here?



They cant make a difference because they are a bunch of outmoded useless archaic fossils.


The economic condition is Canada is strong and good wages good jobs thus alot of people have money and don't need free stuff.

But the 15% do need free stuff.So that is why the move away from the left to the right.The 85% of the people have money and don't need free stuff.

[danyboy27]

I hated the fucking Canadian election! Damn Harper got a larger minority! Canada needs change. btw, for people who don't know we have two small communist parties: CPC and MLPC. Unfortunately they can't make a difference because of their size. :(

CPC=Communist party of Canada
MLPC=Marxist-Leninist party of Canada

tanks to the bloc quebecois for dividing the left in canada, and tanks to all the leftist that stubbornly stopped to understand the working class and going exactly at the opposite.

seriously, i am not happy with the election but this can just continue that way if there is no unity on the left.

[Lynx]

Neither the CPC or Marxist-Leninist party ran candidates in my riding.

[LOLseph Stalin]

Neither the CPC or Marxist-Leninist party ran candidates in my riding.

They didn't run in my riding either. My riding is too conservative for that.

[Lynx]

They didn't run in my riding either. My riding is too conservative for that.
The conservative candidate won in my riding but the margin was smaller (less than 1000 votes). The NDP came in second place.

[LOLseph Stalin]

The conservative candidate won in my riding but the margin was smaller (less than 1000 votes). The NDP came in second place.

At least the NDP have a chance. Social democratic is pretty much the best we'll get.

[Lynx]

At least the NDP have a chance. Social democratic is pretty much the best we'll get.
Provincially, my riding is NDP.

[LOLseph Stalin]

Provincially, my riding is NDP.

My riding is always conservative. :( Even my own friends are. They ignored me when they discovered I was communist. I had to actually go up to them and lie about being "socialist", not communist.

[danyboy27]

My riding is always conservative. :( Even my own friends are. They ignored me when they discovered I was communist. I had to actually go up to them and lie about being "socialist", not communist.


nobody is really a communist anyway, beccause according to the standard to be a real communist require to be hardcore in your idea, i mean, a lot of people here actually think the soviet union was not communist, that mean lenin was a socialist, you love lenin, you are a socialist!

see!

[spice756]

tanks to the bloc quebecois for dividing the left in canada, and tanks to all the leftist that stubbornly stopped to understand the working class and going exactly at the opposite.


seriously, i am not happy with the election but this can just continue that way if there is no unity on the left.

No the way things are going in Canada is 2 thinks :cursing: One The social programs are making a government debt so it is cut backs or up taxes.There are alot reform bills (for profit now) and cut backs on social programs .Put it simple the government lacks money for education,healthcare ,government housing ,money for the poor.The 60's ,70's and 80's was the time of social programs and welfare state and was good time for government not now the government is struggling to keep the social programs going.


Now they are moving to the right because people are tired of 30% of there work pay going to the government and paying taxes on every thing you buy at store.All this money going to crapy social programs .The schools class of 35 kids and one teacher and lack of teacher aid in class with kids who have problems.Many people who are poor and getting money from the government live on the streets do to no affordable housing.Trying to get government housing takes years and years.


Going to a hospital you could spend 8 hours or all day before you see a doctor.Getting surgery can take 4 months.



A typical Canadian seeking surgical or other therapeutic treatment had to wait 18.3 weeks in 2007, an all-time high, according to new research published Monday by independent research organization the Fraser Institute.

"Despite government promises and the billions of dollars funnelled into the Canadian health-care system, the average patient waited more than 18 weeks in 2007 between seeing their family doctor and receiving the surgery or treatment they required," said Nadeem Esmail, director of Health System Performance Studies at the Fraser Institute and co-author of the 17th annual edition of Waiting Your Turn: Hospital Waiting Lists in Canada.


http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html (http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html)



Ontario recorded the shortest waiting time overall (the wait between visiting a general practitioner and receiving treatment) at 15.0 weeks, followed by British Columbia (19.0 weeks) and Quebec (19.4 weeks). Saskatchewan (27.2 weeks), New Brunswick (25.2 weeks) and Nova Scotia (24.8 weeks) recorded the longest waits in Canada.


Toronto in 20 years only built one highway 407 a toll road.The 404,400,DVP,QEW ,401 so on was built long ago.



At least the NDP have a chance. Social democratic is pretty much the best we'll get.


They are slowing getting more and more votes now.I fear looking at this election and less election in Canada is we are getting divided like the US and this is not good.A norm of 50% left and 50% right is not good.

It looks like Canada is left NDP and right conservative and this what is happing than before center liberal not left but not right.

The NDP and conservative are getting more and more votes now and the liberal less and less.Again Canada getting divided is not good.




They didn't run in my riding either. My riding is too conservative for that.


I believe do to left movment in the 60's , 70's and 80's in Canada and the world and labor unions also communism :cool: many capitalist in Canada up the workers pay,holidays with pay,sick days and worker benefits to stop labor unions and left movements making a middle class to be happy .

But what is happing in Canada do to this middle class is they look up to the upper class and rich and hate the poor and lower class.They want a big home and nice car:cursing: And are greedy and have money and do not need government money for social programs they have money to buy stuff and do not need free stuff from the government.

[spice756]

My riding is always conservative. :( Even my own friends are. They ignored me when they discovered I was communist. I had to actually go up to them and lie about being "socialist", not communist.


Generation X and Generation Y are very focused on money ,ambitious, brand conscious .Also more loyalty to the employer


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Y (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Y)

They also focused on fashion and rich stuff many are yeppies and preppies and look up to movie stars and pop stars they petty middle class.