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hazard
22nd April 2003, 03:34
A "friend" had created a hockey simulator after he finished university some years back. In his message board, I posted this mesage in february of 2002. After posting it, he banned me from his ridiculous game. He never told me why, but clearly it had something to do with this post. Can somebody tell me what, specifically, about it he might have had a problem with?

ORIGINAL POST
I would like to voice not my support for the Canadian hockey team, who embarrassed their capitalist pig counterparts in a blow out of a gold medal game, but instead insult the state that hosted the last winter games. Utah. It's tough for a person like me to even make mention of this state without sniggering. What a joke.

This brings me back to a NCAA game I was watching years ago. The Utah team, henceforth refereed to as UMM(Utah Mormon Missionaries), were suffering a defeat not unlike that which the capitalist pig americans suffered not even two nights ago. While the Wolverine squad from Michigan fielded a suitable basketball squad of tall, fast, skilled players, the UMM seemed to prefer to play short, slow, skilless skin heads. Thus the birth of this acronym. Whats even worse was that the entire team was white. The coach, all players in the game, on the bench and on the sidelines, white as snow. The game, played in (snigger) Utah, was filled with a white only crowd of prayerful mormons. This state is perhaps one of the most backward areas not only in the US, but also in the entire world. It sucks. I knew it then, and I want all of you to know it now.

Maybe they're simply anti-black. I'm sure many of the PHL owners can understand a limited form of racism like this. But this is not true. One could clearly see in the opening ceremonies of the Olympics that Utah is suffering from a much more serious problem than selective racism. Recalling now the abbreviated history of the US that encompassed the vast majority of this ceremony, it is clear that the Utah Mormons have an interesting and highly inaccurate concept of not just religion, but history as well. This Mormon history lesson began with a brief and insulting tribute to the Native Americans, who did nothing but huddle over simulated campfires and smoke tobacco. So much for 40'000 plus years of continental dominance. The colonial American component of this lesson that followed went on, and on and on. These early Americans joyously danced and sang, clearly at the expense of the Native Americans who were simply swept off of the stage. Now it is clear that Utah(snigger) is a racist state, perhaps the most racist state on the entire planet.

Does anyone here think I have a point? I don't. I just don't like Utah(snigger). I also don't like Mormons. I don't mind the US, unless those capitalist pigs are fielding a hockey team against me and my brothers. I don't like the coach of that team, who clearly had no concept of the game of hockey. Can you believe that he actually thought the sport was a game of possession? I am still splitting my sides over that one. What kind of a fool would take a zone of control game, like hockey, and compare it to the likes of all other american sports. First off, its not an american sport. Why he'd attempt and make it one is typical american BS. Second off, even if it were an american sport, it has about a million fundamental differences with all of the other american sports. Like the surface. Like the instruments constantly and necessarily in use. Like the line changes. And most of all, like the zones. Third off, it is played globally unlike any american sport. Anyone in europe play baseball? Who the hell plays football outside of North America? With these obvious differences in the sport types, it is clear that there are at least a million minute differences. A million. As for the issue of possession, a true idiot would think that hockey was a game that had this principle as a centrifugal one. A true moron would share this thought with others. But in the case of the american coach, in typical mormon moronic fashion, regardless of his religious creed, a true retard would share this idiotic belief with the entire world. Hey piggy, go make someone else rich but keep your mouth shut. You may have freedom of speech, but the more you speak the more I think such freedom should be revoked in the case of idiocy. What an idiot.

As for the UMM, they can go to hell. The american coach can too. Hell, all of that backward state can go to hell too for all I care. I'm just glad my team won. I'd hate to think what I would have had to say if they lost. Canada rules.


Thats it. Let me know.



(Edited by hazard at 3:36 pm on April 22, 2003)

Hampton
22nd April 2003, 03:48
Besides the fact that you label a whole state racist and backward?

hazard
22nd April 2003, 04:33
they aren't? my evidence is clear, i mean, wouldn't scholarships have at least one or two black B-ball players?

Voice of Reason
22nd April 2003, 06:14
there are blacks in utah, just not many. even so, why on earth would a non mormon black WANT to play in that environment anyway? you didnt show any proof that utah rejects black basketball players cause they're black, just that there weren't any around. could it be that there might be other factors besides rascism at play???

i hate it when ppl go spout off the rascism word at the slightest provocation, it loses all meaning that way.

hazard
22nd April 2003, 06:48
my message wasn't really entirely about basketball. it was about the olympics and hockey more than anything. utah is a backwards state, whatever way you want to slice it up. but is that why my "friend" banned me? I can't tell.

Liberty Lover
22nd April 2003, 07:37
Speaking of banning. Have you been kicked out of the non-OI forums for being a stalinist yet?

(Edited by Liberty Lover at 7:38 am on April 22, 2003)

hazard
22nd April 2003, 07:48
lover:

what makes you say that I am something I am not?
that should answer your question.

Voice of Reason
22nd April 2003, 07:49
yea, well, utahs always been that way. i mean look at the reasons it was founded. the olympics coulda been a lot worse though, as i understand it the mormons told themselves to not go out preaching a lot so they wouldnt annoy people. imagine what southern baptists woulda done if they got the olympics in their capital.

anyhow, yea, you were completely justified in posting that and shouldn't have been banned just for saying that.

hazard
22nd April 2003, 07:52
i always thought it was becuase I had a beter understanding of hockey than the "friend" who created his league. and I displayed and proved it in the post.

not to mention the fact that he was born in america and is a supporter of capitalism.

Urban Rubble
22nd April 2003, 20:42
I think your post was a little off base. First of all, saying the state of Utah is racist because there aren't that many blacks there ? That's ridiculous. Maybe I should call your beloved hockey racist, I mean, there are hardly any black hockey players, right ? At any rate this post makes no sense.

Exploited Class
23rd April 2003, 00:17
In all fairness, growing up Mormon for the better part of my life, I can easily understand why anybody would think all of Utah is Racist.

Mormons believe that the mark of Cain is the black skin and that all black people are descendants and carriers of that mark to remind us of that sin.

Secondly Mormons would not allow black people into their church right up till the 70's. Most missionaries will not even try to convert black people (luckies). They are pretty open about it. Now they aren't racists in thinking that people that bear the original mark of murder are any less than white people. They just prefer the blacks not associate with white people or be around them.

Also they teach kids that inter-racial marriages are not right. That is actually taught in sunday school.

Every single Utah Morman, I have ever met holds the above statements very true. Although PR for the church would have you believe otherwise.

With Temples all over the world, in some of the most hostile regions, see how many they have built on the African Continent in proportion to other continents.

I have never heard of any black stake presidents in the church or bishops, or the quarum of the 12.

Mormons are very seperatists not so much racists, Utah being like 90% Mormon, I would say his above statement isn't all that far off.

Voice of Reason
23rd April 2003, 01:32
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Secondly Mormons would not allow black people into their church right up till the 70's. Most missionaries will not even try to convert black people (luckies). They are pretty open about it. Now they aren't racists in thinking that people that bear the original mark of murder are any less than white people. They just prefer the blacks not associate with white people or be around them. "

i thought that was because them not being rascist was one of the major reasons(them being yankees) that got them driven out of Missouri so they just never wanted to touch the issue again with a 100 ft pole.

Exploited Class
23rd April 2003, 04:57
No, they got driven out of Missouri because of a lot different reasons than that.

A. They had another testament of christ, which was another bible.

B. They were a cult.

C. Somebody was saying that they had a direct line to god through the Angel Moronni.

Voice of Reason
23rd April 2003, 06:03
i wonder though... how long did it take them to write their bible? i dont get how all those ppl got into thing (church, cult, whatever) from the start and someone not spill the beans with details about the truth. cause thats one dang long book they got there and surely something worthwhile's in it to fool all those people.

Dhul Fiqar
23rd April 2003, 17:18
The Mormon church today is not any more racist than any other congregation. The only Mormon I know personally (and actually happens to be a very good friend of mine) is a Native American, and she feels the community accepts her totally. There are also many other minorities in the LDS, even though the majority certainly are crackers.

That's not to say there aren't a lot of Mormon racists, but I doubt it has anything to do with that specific church, it's basically a problem all over America.


--- G.

Exploited Class
23rd April 2003, 20:01
Quote: from Dhul Fiqar on 5:18 pm on April 23, 2003
The Mormon church today is not any more racist than any other congregation. The only Mormon I know personally (and actually happens to be a very good friend of mine) is a Native American, and she feels the community accepts her totally. There are also many other minorities in the LDS, even though the majority certainly are crackers.

That's not to say there aren't a lot of Mormon racists, but I doubt it has anything to do with that specific church, it's basically a problem all over America.


--- G.

Mormons love American Indians because they are direct decendants of the chosen people, Nephites and Lamanites. All American Indians are held in high regard.

Basically Nephites were the Incas which were wiped out by the Lamanites, decendants of Nephi's brother Laman.
The American Indians is what the whole book of Mormon is centered on. So they are held in very, very, ver,y high regard.

Dhul Fiqar
23rd April 2003, 20:05
Ah, that makes a lot of sense of course, thanks for the info :)

But generally, they don't discriminate any more do they? This friend of mine is about as far from a racist as possible, and she's a fairly devout Mormon (although she is liberal in the sense that she does believe in wild sex and doesn't wear those silly special underpants that you get after signing up)

--- G.

Exploited Class
23rd April 2003, 21:14
Quote: from Dhul Fiqar on 8:05 pm on April 23, 2003
Ah, that makes a lot of sense of course, thanks for the info :)

But generally, they don't discriminate any more do they? This friend of mine is about as far from a racist as possible, and she's a fairly devout Mormon (although she is liberal in the sense that she does believe in wild sex and doesn't wear those silly special underpants that you get after signing up)

--- G.
You can do anything you want in the church up to a point, like wild sex, drugs and such, but you won't be able to go into the temple. The undergarments are something really, really different. Usually reserved for people that went on missions or have been pure for over a year. A lot of stipulations on those, and if you have them you are not to show them to anybody.

Your friend is probably not a Utah Mormon. Utah Mormons make other Mormons cringe for the most part. They are just the most rightreous people I have met. I could tell when there was a family at our stake that was from Utah. They are the ones that won't even drink coke or Pepsi because of the Caffeine. When Mormons from other states go on vacation we don't check before hand to see if there is an LDS church in the town, or where the nearest one is, nor do any of us even think of going to church if we went on a vacation. They do, and sometimes won't go to certain destinations because of it.

As far as are they racist anymore, well they still teach and are against inter-racial marriages and relationships. They are very open about that, and it is taught in their version of Sunday school. As well as they teach the mark of Cain as being black. Other churches just say Cain was marked, they don't say it is by his skin. Mormons do. They waited longer than most religions on letting people of color hold priest positions or going into temples.

I guess they no longer have specific policies regarding keeping black people out of areas of the church. But I have never met a black Mormon, I know they exist, but I have never met one and I have been to a lot of mormon functions. I use to get the monthly mormon magazine and as far as I can remember the only picture of a black missionary I have seen was of one in England. Out of all the Mormons I know, I don't know of any that served their missions in black neighborhoods. Sure Mexico, Russia, Europe, Salt Lake City, Idaho and Asia, I don't know of anybody that served their mission in Africa. Ithink there are a couple like S. Africa but not many past that. And that if me hanging out at Rick's College in Idaho for a while meeting people. Ricks is the Junior Mormon College.

I wouldn't say they are KKK members, but Utah Mormons and such for the most part don't like black people. Its typical that they would probably move out of a neighborhood if a black family moved in. They wouldn't say it was because of the black family, they'd say it is shorter commute or better deal, but everybody knows what they mean. And it is that type of attitude you run across from Utah Mormons. Also, growing up in a very racists little town, I doubt I heard as many racist jokes as I did when I was at Ricks.

RedCeltic
23rd April 2003, 21:51
Quote: from Liberty Lover on 1:37 am on April 22, 2003
Speaking of banning. Have you been kicked out of the non-OI forums for being a stalinist yet?

(Edited by Liberty Lover at 7:38 am on April 22, 2003)


If you will notice, we are only doing this to Stalinists who only have two topics to talk about. Why Stalin was so great, and why everyone else sucks.

Liberty Lover
24th April 2003, 01:07
Why do you do it to capitalists? Why did you do it to me?

Beccie
24th April 2003, 01:22
Quote: from Liberty Lover on 1:07 am on April 24, 2003
Why do you do it to capitalists? Why did you do it to me?

My guess would be because you are not a leftist and this board is for leftists. Stalinists are leftists and therefore allowed (sometimes) to post in the other forums. You are lucky you have the OI forum to post in.

Fever
25th April 2003, 00:45
You should rent a movie called SLC Punk next time you go to the video store. It is a great movie, and it can enlighten you of the small bastion of rightiosneessss in Utah.

hazard
30th April 2003, 06:54
Quote: from Liberty Lover on 1:07 pm on April 24, 2003
Why do you do it to capitalists? Why did you do it to me?


probably because you are a idiot. and oh yeah, you suck. bet you think that you got a problem with that, but trust me, you don't.

Moskitto
30th April 2003, 18:15
we have mormons living next door but one.