responsability of the individual

[danyboy27]

I was wondering, how far personnal responsability goes from your point of views.

that one thing i dont really like about some communists views, they are always blaming the others when something goes wrong, or at least i got that impression.

from murder to street gang to poverty, you seem to blame the system all the time, like if there was zero personal responsability for peoples.

you have to admit that at some extent, personal behavior is something to be considered, and that invidivuals can actually do bad things beccause of themselves. But it seem a lot of you guys blame only the rich of the actions and forget the others when its the time toput the personnal responsabily on bad things happening.

I cant resign myself that it was all the fault of the nazi ideology or even capitalism if some top german generals wiped off 6 millions jews, or that it was all the fault of communism if some russian officiers organized purges inside the civilian society.

people should consider that when sometimes the shit hit the fan, it the individual have a part of responsability to share with society.

[spice756]

I was wondering, how far personnal responsability goes from your point of views.

that one thing i dont really like about some communists views, they are always blaming the others when something goes wrong, or at least i got that impression.


We blame the problem on capitalism system and the capitalists who exploits people.We want capitalism system to die.

In communists system things will be better .If there are people that do not want to work they will not live a privilege life but still have food,water and small house.

Others will have nice house,TV,radio,lots of stuff and go on nice vacation so on .And privilege life .

There no reason for crime in a communists system .And people that do crime need help.

[danyboy27]

We blame the problem on capitalism system and the capitalists who exploits people.We want capitalism system to die.

In communists system things will be better .If there are people that do not want to work they will not live a privilege life but still have food,water and small house.

Others will have nice house,TV,radio,lots of stuff and go on nice vacation so on .And privilege life .

There no reason for crime in a communists system .And people that do crime need help.

by making priviledges to people working, people that are not working will envy their luxuries, and some will probably steal stuff they cant obtain.
murder will still exist, people will still kill for love, or to simply obtain rare items, or beccause they are sociopath,some people will rape, sexual crimes will continue.

so if a guy in a communist society a man rape a your girl, its will be fine and we let him go?

[spice756]

by making priviledges to people working, people that are not working will envy their luxuries, and some will probably steal stuff they cant obtain.

murder will still exist, people will still kill for love, or to simply obtain rare items, or beccause they are sociopath,some people will rape, sexual crimes will continue.

so if a guy in a communist society a man rape a your girl, its will be fine and we let him go?

People will not go jail for punishment in a communist society people will get help and support from doctors and social workers.If they are very bad they will be put in safe community where they can live a life but not to harm to others or do crime.

There will be no punishment in a communist society and people will get the help and support they need.Like I say if they are very bad they will be put in a safe community away from others.And when they get support they need can go back with other community .

[danyboy27]

People will not go jail for punishment in a communist society people will get help and support from doctors and social workers.If they are very bad they will be put in safe community where they can live a life but not to harm to others or do crime.

There will be no punishment in a communist society and people will get the help and support they need.Like I say if they are very bad they will be put in a safe community away from others.

okay, so if its not the fault of the individual, its the fault of society, you mean that at the end a communist society will not be that different from a capitalist society. So your big solution is to create a lot of mini-gulag where to put people that are not like the others?

[Plagueround]

We do not seek to completely absolve the individual of their responsibility for their actions. We only want people to consider the conditions that could lead a person to commit crimes, how these conditions could be remedied, and whether or not the crime the person committed should even be considered a criminal action in the first place. The criminalization of activities that are largely an issue of certain people's morals being induced into the system put a lot of people in jail that shouldn't be there. As for crimes that one could reason are not a matter of morality, but are indeed a violation of someone's rights as an individual (or their personal property rights), simply punishing the criminal does not fully address the situation. A person that steals because they are unable to provide for themselves otherwise certainly shouldn't steal, but how do we prevent this? Is it by putting them in jail and ignoring the root causes for stealing? Or do we need to go a step further and figure out ways for people to not be held down by a lack of social mobility, so no one has to steal simply to get by?

No one is saying that all crimes will suddenly disappear, to infer they would is unrealistic. However, to truly solve societies problems we must look deeper at the roots of the problem. By eliminating the socio-economic reasons behind many of the crimes people commit, you will reduce crime.

The views I've seen creeping into the OI recently (that even some of our more regular OIers find offensive) suggest that crime can simply be traced back to laziness, stupidity, or race. These are the views we seek to fight, and it should not be perceived as separating a person from any form of personal responsibility when we do so. Rather, we are seeking to separate that person from a system that has not given their members adequate means to provide for themselves and examine the root causes instead of making sweeping generalizations, tossing them in a jail, and forgetting about them.

As a final thought I felt like adding after thinking about it: If a person commits a crime, it is not an automatic indication they have failed society. We must consider whether or not society has failed them. Ultimately, the individual is very much a culmination of everyone's work.

[spice756]

okay, so if its not the fault of the individual, its the fault of society, you mean that at the end a communist society will not be that different from a capitalist society. So your big solution is to create a lot of mini-gulag where to put people that are not like the others?

People steal or do theft to support them self.
People do robbery and B&E for the same thing.

People kill or do rape because they have problems and need help.Their brain is not the same like others.

The rapists and serial killers brain are mess up and are not like other people brain.The sociopath are not criminals they are mess up their brain.

Speeding and DUI are bad choisess but alot of the problem with this are culture it is cool to speed.This will have to be removed.

People join street gang for safety reasons and some to support one self or family.


It has been proven with help alot of those people can go back into society.

[danyboy27]

People steal or do theft to support them self.
People do robbery and B&E for the same thing.

still, some people steal or destroy other peoples society to make them suffer or just by envy.

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People steal or do theft to support them self.
People do robbery and B&E for the same thing.

People kill or do rape because they have problems and need help.Their brain is not the same like others.

The rapists and serial killers brain are mess up and are not like other people brain.The sociopath are not criminals they are mess up their brain.
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Actually, some of them where aware of the risk, and where aware that what they where doing was wrong but they did it anyway. that why they make people pass a psychologic test before to judge them, beccause some are creazy and dont know what they are doing while some are really aware of what they are doing.




Speeding and DUI are bad choisess but alot of the problem with this are culture it is cool to speed.This will have to be removed.
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i was thinking that you communist where thinking that culture should not be controlled by any governements?
speeding is a thrill like hunt is a thrill, unless you destroy all the fun on earth there will still have some assole that will break the rule, and they will be responsable for those shit.

spice, could you do me a favor and stop cut and paste stuff that someone else say to you, i am really aware that many things you said come from another member of that forum, so if you have a problem with what i am sating say it yourself, dont use other people help to argument, if you want their help ask them to post their opinion.

[spice756]

Actually, some of them where aware of the risk, and where aware that what they where doing was wrong but they did it anyway. that why they make people pass a psychologic test before to judge them, beccause some are creazy and dont know what they are doing while some are really aware of what they are doing.


So you think serial killers and rapists there is nothing wrong with them they do it by choise.



i was thinking that you communist where thinking that culture should not be controlled by any governements?
speeding is a thrill like hunt is a thrill, unless you destroy all the fun on earth there will still have some assole that will break the rule, and they will be responsable for those shit.


I don't have a problem with culture the only problem I have with culture is if it promotes bad things.



spice, could you do me a favor and stop cut and paste stuff that someone else say to you, i am really aware that many things you said come from another member of that forum, so if you have a problem with what i am sating say it yourself, dont use other people help to argument, if you want their help ask them to post their opinion.


First of all you non't a communist or socialist base on you views .May be larning communist or socialist .To be a communist or socialist you read and read and agree .If you do not agree you not a communist or socialist

All left not just communist or socialist support social programs,welfare to the poor,government housing to poor and don't belive the crap that people are lazy not even social democradic belive this:huh:The responsibility and people that are lazy are conservative propaganda views.

You political views seem jump from right to left and left to right.Almost like you reading and trying to find out what you believe.

I have been to many conservative sites and haer the same stuff over and over you just climb up the ladder.

If I where you read the communist manifesto over not 2 times but 8 times or more to you know the quotes in your brain and check marxists.org read it over and over to you can see it with your eyes close.

Read the threads here at revleft over and over to you can see it your sleep.Than ask your self do you support those views.If you say no you are not a communist or socialist.The only thing I have hard time with is understanding is the state good or bad or worker councils but kinda get where the other members are saying just not understanding it in detail.

[danyboy27]

So you think serial killers and rapists there is nothing wrong with them they do it by choise.

some are doing it by choice and its wrong, that the point of the whole things, to prove you that there is a certain degree of personal responsability even in the most terrible behavior.




i don't have a problem with culture the only problem I have with culture is if it promotes bad things.
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who are you to judge what good and what bad in a culture? how dare you consider racing bad?




First of all you non't a communist or socialist base on you views .May be larning communist or socialist .To be a communist or socialist you read and read and agree .If you do not agree you not a communist or socialist

what the fuck my political orientation have to do with this tread?
in what its important that i am a socialist, a communist or a martian?
the questions still here. If for your your definition of a communist is a brainwashed folk that all agree with what marx said, well, i am happy not being that kind of person.





Read the threads here at revleft over and over to you can see it your sleep.Than ask your self do you support those views.If you say no you are not a communist or socialist.The only thing I have hard time with is understanding is the state good or bad or worker councils but kinda get where the other members are saying just not understanding it in detail.
i am well aware of wich views i am supporting, tank you, i dont need you to tell me what to think.

[spice756]

some are doing it by choice and its wrong, that the point of the whole things, to prove you that there is a certain degree of personal responsability even in the most terrible behavior.


Than why is it only small number do it?




who are you to judge what good and what bad in a culture? how dare you consider racing bad?


This ''was thinking that you communist where thinking that culture should not be controlled by any governements?
speeding is a thrill like hunt is a thrill, unless you destroy all the fun on earth ''

So speeding , DUI and hunt is a good culture?


what the fuck my political orientation have to do with this tread?

in what its important that i am a socialist, a communist or a martian?
the questions still here. If for your your definition of a communist is a brainwashed folk that all agree with what marx said, well, i am happy not being that kind of person.

Why besuse some of the stuff you posted is right-wing views.

[Lynx]

The notion of individual responsibility was lost somewhere amongst those bailouts.

[danyboy27]

Than why is it only small number do it?
So speeding , and hunt is a good culture?

people do horse races, chariot races and car races since the world exist.
Hunting is actually a verry noble sport, when practiced with the rules, wich mean not with a frag grenade but with a rifle, it can be verry challenging, like fishing. I dont see a problem with theses, but if society want to get rid of it, fine! but seriously i doubt those hobbies will dissapear one day, too many people enjoying them.





Than why is it only small number do it?
Why besuse some of the stuff you posted is right-wing views.

its not beccause i have harsh views on some subject that i am a full blown right winger, i strongly support the creation of functionnal social institutions to support the people, i believe in free healtcare, low cost city bus, welfare system, regulation on buisness practices, social security system.
i think the governement have to help peoples get a job, that verry important.

but i think that blaming problems EVERYTIME on the governement and capitalist is a lame opportunistic tactics. I will always blame my governement if i got the feeling my taxes are wasted, if i got crappy road, if i got a bad customer service when i call for my income declaration, if they cant give me a decent hospital. I pay taxes to my governement, 28% of my money that i earn go there, that a freaking lot for north america, even for canada. with that amount of money spent for the state, i am not shy of critiquizing the system when it fail, but so far for the welfare system, i think its relatively well made, never had problem, they always gave me advices, they helped me, and i got a job right now beccause of the way that system is made.

[spice756]

Canada is the richest country in the world has the highest wages and lots of jobs every where in Canada.And people live high life in Canada but Canada is imperialism and this is bad.

It is do to all the investment and that Canada is still in a manurfacturing secter.The economic hub being Alberta and Toronto.This is why wages are higher in Canada than the US and more jobs in Canada than the US.

[danyboy27]

Canada is the richest country in the world has the highest wages and lots of jobs every where.

And people live high life in Canada but Canada is imperialism and this is bad.


humm...what do you mean imperialist?

[spice756]

but i think that blaming problems EVERYTIME on the governement and capitalist is a lame opportunistic tactics. I will always blame my governement if i got the feeling my taxes are wasted


But who does governement represent and who does the capitalist represent ..

Not the working class.




people do horse races, chariot races and car races since the world exist.
Hunting is actually a verry noble sport, when practiced with the rules, wich mean not with a frag grenade but with a rifle, it can be verry challenging, like fishing. I dont see a problem with theses, but if society want to get rid of it, fine! but seriously i doubt those hobbies will dissapear one day, too many people enjoying them.


This is oaky in area for this just do not take this out on the city street.

But I was saying teens speeding down the city street do to the culture.

[danyboy27]

But who does governement represent and who does the capitalist represent ..

Not the working class.

i never got the feeling that capitalism represented someone.

its just an economical system.

[spice756]

humm...what do you mean imperialist?


Well imperialist means going to wars ,taking other countries resources,taking out leaders you don't like and putting leaders in you like,take a state run system and turn into US run businesses,telling other countries what to do.

All G-8 countries are imperialist.This is basic communist stuff.You should read the FAQ here on what imperialist means.



i never got the feeling that capitalism represented someone.

its just an economical system.


Most communist believe the governement represent the rich and capitalist and that capitalist represent capitalism not the working class.

And I agree on this but the part of governement represent the rich and capitalist is do to stuff we allow it to represent the rich and capitalist .I believe there can be laws past to get the governement to represent the poor and working class.

[danyboy27]

Well imperialist means going to wars ,taking other countries resources,taking out leaders you don't like and putting leaders in you like,take a state run system and turn into US run businesses,telling other countries what to do.

All G-8 countries are imperialist.This is basic communist stuff.You should read the FAQ here on what imperialist means.


and its not by going communist that it will stop them to go in war with other countries.
that a characteristic of the g8 countries and canada is the less worst of them in matter of military implication.

we dont even control 1/8 of afghanistan, and there is no fucking ressources to take from them.

[spice756]

Not if the world is communism NO state and no borders.Every thing done on a local level town,city or area.

[danyboy27]

Not if the world is communism NO state and no borders.Every thing done on a local level town,city or area.

and what will actually avoid a small city to use it milita against another city or to form a military alliance with a city that think like them and to impose it own brand of communist on others?

[Bud Struggle]

and what will actually avoid a small city to use it milita against another city or to form a military alliance with a city that think like them and to impose it own brand of communist on others?

Like in the old days when the Soviet Union and China used to have boarder clashes. Those were the days. :huh:

[mikelepore]

from murder to street gang to poverty, you seem to blame the system all the time, like if there was zero personal responsability for peoples. you have to admit that at some extent, personal behavior is something to be considered, and that invidivuals can actually do bad things beccause of themselves.

There's a good example of a false dichotomy. It's posited as though the results can't due to individual personality and the social system at the same time. It's equivalent to assuming that the personality develops with no inputs from the environment. But empirical data say otherwise. How many people who were born into millionaire families will later join the street gangs, or mug other people in alleys for their wallets? None. Therefore it's observed empirically that the formation of individual behavior receives inputs from the society's institutions for distributing wealth. If we want to see more cooperative individual behaviors, the first thing to do is to establish a set of social institutions based on with cooperative processes. That's a clear lesson of historical materialism. Wrote Feuerbach, "A man thinks differently in a palace than in a hut."

[danyboy27]

There's a good example of a false dichotomy. It's posited as though the results can't due to individual personality and the social system at the same time. It's equivalent to assuming that the personality develops with no inputs from the environment. But empirical data say otherwise. How many people who were born into millionaire families will later join the street gangs, or mug other people in alleys for their wallets? None. Therefore it's observed empirically that the formation of individual behavior receives inputs from the society's institutions for distributing wealth. If we want to see more cooperative individual behaviors, the first thing to do is to establish a set of social institutions based on with cooperative processes. That's a clear lesson of historical materialism. Wrote Feuerbach, "A man thinks differently in a palace than in a hut."

sure they think differently, but they can both do wrong choices and bad things, and they are both somehow influenced by society, and both vulnerables at some extents to temptations of doing bad stuff.

you dont see rich peoples getting into gang, but you see them joining and creating criminal organizations, mafia, fraud buisness, selling stolen good, they are also vulnerable to drugs or other psychonogical disorders.

no matter rich or poor a person is, he should be accountable at a certain degree of his actions. When i fuck up, i assume that i have a part of responsability in it, i dont always take all the blame, but if i park my car in the handicaped lane and that i got a 30 dollars ticket, i will pay it, beccause it was my fault. Of course i can decide to blame the city beccause of their lack of parking, but at the end if i had looked better i could have found a free parking place.

[spice756]

and what will actually avoid a small city to use it milita against another city or to form a military alliance with a city that think like them and to impose it own brand of communist on others?

In communism it is saying to do away with the army and the people become the army.

In communism there no state or governement .People govern them self.There is no boss or managers.

People get together to discuss issues or problems.


Now about capitalism the governement represent the capitalist not the people do to lobbying and friends who are capitalist .This what Marx was saying.

Marxist theories of the state were relatively influential in continental Europe in the 1960s and 1970s. But it is hard to summarize the theory developed by Karl Marx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx) and Friedrich Engels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Engels). After all, the effort by Hal Draper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Draper) to distill their political thinking in his Karl Marx's Theory of Revolution (Monthly Review Press) took several thick volumes. But many have tried.

For Marxist theorists, the role of modern states is determined or related to their role in capitalist societies. They would agree with Weber on the crucial role of coercion in defining the state. (In fact, Weber himself starts his analysis with a quotation from Leon Trotsky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Trotsky), a Bolshevik leader.) But Marxists reject the mainstream liberal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism) view that the state is an institution established in the collective interest of society as a whole (perhaps by a social contract (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract)) to reconcile competing interests in the name of the common good. Contrary to the pluralist vision, the state is not a mere "neutral arena for settling disputes among contending interests" because it leans heavily to support one interest group (the capitalists) alone. Nor does the state usually act as merely a "collection of agencies which themselves act as simply another set of interest groups," again because of the state's systematic bias toward serving capitalist interests

Read what I underline , Marxist theories the state leans heavily to the capitalist and support them .

The other 98% of the quote is not important.I believe if the laws are pass to ban lobbying and friends who are capitalist than the government can represent the poor,worling class.

But lobbying and friends who are capitalist must be illegale.I would like input from other people at revleft other ways that may influence government.Has I do not know to much abut this topic.

We want to ban the capitalist and get the government to represent the poor,worling class.The capitalist will try to influence government .And one way is lobbying or friends who are capitalist .

spetnaz21 you just going have to have faith that things will work out.

[spice756]

sure they think differently, but they can both do wrong choices and bad things, and they are both somehow influenced by society, and both vulnerables at some extents to temptations of doing bad stuff.


People will join street gang to support them self or do robbery .End poverty and the poor and people will not do robbery or B&E.

But you must end poverty and the poor.The people do not have x number of money in a month and so do robbery or B&E to support them self.

[danyboy27]

In communism it is saying to do away with the army and the people become the army.

In communism there no state or governement .People govern them self.There is no boss or managers.


you cannot trust the people to be their own army, all it will do is create a state of permanent civil war where different group of interest would rather shoot each other than just wait for local governement to take action.
if you give a gun to everybody, well what will abvoid capitalist people to form milita and battle the other faction?

then again, you cannot ask the people to govern themselves without creating a mass chaos, beccause at some point you need specialist and leader to organize thing, and if people would have all the full control of their local governement, chances are that some people verry unlikely to do a good job could be appointed, leading to problem in the institutional field.





Now about capitalism the governement represent the capitalist not the people do to lobbying and friends who are capitalist .This what Marx was saying.

wait..you are saying that politician legally elected by the peoples dont represent them? if they dont represent us, that our fault, us the working class loosing interest in voting, that give more power to the rich people beccause they are actually voting.
if we have governement that dont represent us its beccause we failed to vote and we failed tosign petition, we failed to be in the electoral process and ask question. its all our fault if our current rulers dont do shit, beccause a lot of poor and working class people stopped to wote.






Marxist theories of the state were relatively influential in continental Europe in the 1960s and 1970s. But it is hard to summarize the theory developed by Karl Marx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx) and Friedrich Engels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Engels). After all, the effort by Hal Draper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Draper) to distill their political thinking in his Karl Marx's Theory of Revolution (Monthly Review Press) took several thick volumes. But many have tried.

For Marxist theorists, the role of modern states is determined or related to their role in capitalist societies. They would agree with Weber on the crucial role of coercion in defining the state. (In fact, Weber himself starts his analysis with a quotation from Leon Trotsky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Trotsky), a Bolshevik leader.) But Marxists reject the mainstream liberal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism) view that the state is an institution established in the collective interest of society as a whole (perhaps by a social contract (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract)) to reconcile competing interests in the name of the common good. Contrary to the pluralist vision, the state is not a mere "neutral arena for settling disputes among contending interests" because it leans heavily to support one interest group (the capitalists) alone. Nor does the state usually act as merely a "collection of agencies which themselves act as simply another set of interest groups," again because of the state's systematic bias toward serving capitalist interests

Read what I underline , Marxist theories the state leans heavily to the capitalist and support them .

for what i understand they believe that the state would be more complex than just institution, it dosnt mean those centralized institutions should not exist. you NEEED those central institutions, you need that for standards in health, justice system, environemental norms. Without all that all that will happen is irregularities in standards of construction, health, and environemental.
if people could realy set their things themselve ALL the things, well since people think differently from a place to another, one city will be extremely clean beccause they decided to pass a law of not poluted, another will be a slump beccause they didnt really care at all, another will have high mortality rate in their hospital beccause they failed to create cleaning standards.

a state is NEEDED, at least i think so.




But lobbying and friends who are capitalist must be illegale.I would like input from other people at revleft other ways that may influence government.Has I do not know to much abut this topic.

We want to ban the capitalist and get the government to represent the poor,worling class.The capitalist will try to influence government .And one way is lobbying or friends who are capitalist .

spetnaz21 you just going have to have faith that things will work out.

lobbying will ALWAYS exist, and it will be far worst in a decentralized governement, since you cant really put standards that avoid it.
i mean, what will avoid 10 peoples just before a vote to intimate in secret the rest of the concil to have them vote on their side?

AT LEAST in a centralized governement you can implement laws that punish politician that are doing lobbying, for now nobody or almost no governement do shit, but i do think anti-lobbying laws exist in some country.
the prime minister of thailand have been forced to resign beccaus he did a cooking tv show, and it was perceived has a bias toward them.


i have faith in socialism and even in a certain form of governement, but i believe that a state, even if its 1 big world state, is badly needed, and will always will.

go ask to countries like somalia what its like to have many armed groups that democraticly decide what to do for at the end kill each other.
they dont have a functionning governement for 15 year already, they had the chance to get together and rebuild all these year and they still slaughter eachother.

[spice756]

you cannot trust the people to be their own army, all it will do is create a state of permanent civil war where different group of interest would rather shoot each other than just wait for local governement to take action.

if you give a gun to everybody, well what will abvoid capitalist people to form milita and battle the other faction?

The group with be the army or country.The thing is the anarchists don't want a state. And a one world state is bad.The anarchists want a smaller group where people not politics pass laws the use via worker council.

The state does not represent the people or does te politics represent the people .

The politics are beaurcrats and do not have the same interest has the people.The politics have their own class and interest like capitalists do.

The people must be politics and by doing that is making a network of small worker council.I would even think city the size 800,000 people would be too big too be under one council.

The anarchists want to outlaw private property so all the people own the property to stop war.




then again, you cannot ask the people to govern themselves without creating a mass chaos, beccause at some point you need specialist and leader to organize thing,

The anarchists and communism of thought is you have control over your body and can do what ever you like to your self but must not harm others.

There will be no boss or manager in any work place that will be replace by the worker council.And the group makes the law in the work place.




and if people would have all the full control of their local governement, chances are that some people verry unlikely to do a good job could be appointed, leading to problem in the institutional field.


There will be NO 2 or 3 guys rule the group .

Now there are some anarchists and communism that want no laws,no court ,no police, no law and order this be like wild west and be chaos.

Other anarchists and communism just want decentralization of the state and make small communal groups to govern the self has one big communal group or state is bad.

They also want to do away with politics because has politics do not represent the people .

[danyboy27]

if i would be forced to choose a communist system, democratic centralist ftw.

you never ever gonna be able to convince me to adopt anarchism, never!

you guy claim that you want to feed the third world countries, but lets face it, the only way to achive it fast is trought a giant state that would coordinate food distribution.

one of the only idea of communism i still support is democratic centralism.
i have to admit there was some kind of epic fail situation concerning democratic centralism like the soviet union, but i still think its possible to make the whole thing better.