How many low-income right-wingers are on this board? - Just

[notyetacommie]

How many of you right-wingers work in sweat-shops?
How many of you right-wingers come from a 1-parent family?
How many of you are homeless?
How many of you earn around $300 a month (like I do)?
How many of you have been oppressed or insulted by the boss?
How many of you live in the "Third world"?
How many of you have been bombed by an aggressor on the account that your Prez is the wrong guy?
How many of you have classmates half of whom are in jail for stealing because the government employed the Harvard Universities economists' free-market shock therapy?
How many of you see old ladies in the streets begging for life while the government says that "Higher incomes and pensions could disturb our economy" as our prime minister Kasyanov said a week ago?
How many of you see 7-year-old children intoxicated by drugs while the traffic from Afghanistan to Russia has increased by 300-400% since US invaded it?
How many of you see 5-6-7-8-9-year-old kids begging while there are 18 official billionares in the country with vast natural resources, when everybody knows that they just "privatized" the former state extracting companies? And when 51 percent of the biggest oil company's shares go to British Petroleum?

Just curious...

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Lo, welcome to the board.

Where are u from and a interresting name, are u trying to transform urself into communist?!

But anyway welcome, just beeing curious.

[Boris Moskovitz]

None, it is obvious... They have the fat life, and cannot see the troubles in the world, or if they do see it, then they don't give a damn. I also have a lucky life, but I do care for the less fortunate. I really don't care about money, it's not like it's my "precious". It is just a damn piece of paper.

[Anonymous]

My mother drives a bus for the handicapped and my father is a firefighter. So does that make me lower-middle class?

[Wolfie]

DC, your a kid, you dont earn full-time. I mean cummon i bet you have your own PC.

[Anonymous]

I am one generation away from poor farmers in a third world country. I have seen more poverty than you can imagine. Many of my family are still in it. I have had to carry automatic weapons for protection against communist. By no means were they upper class or even political.

[Anonymous]

I am in the 37%-40% tax bracket in the USA. I do very well. I am one generation away from poor farmers in a third world country. I have seen more poverty than you can imagine, but experienced none of it. Many of my family are still in it. Visiting the old country, I have had to carry automatic weapons for protection against communist. By no means were they upper class or even political.

My grandmother never finished the 8th grade, is in total awe at how far the family has come in one generation. All the state side grandchildren are professional, educated, homeowners, and prosperous. It was not easy and I would not have it any other way.

[Anonymous]

Quote: from kelvin9 on 2:19 am on April 16, 2003
I am in the 37%-40% tax bracket in the USA. I do very well. I am one generation away from poor farmers in a third world country. I have seen more poverty than you can imagine, but experienced none of it. Many of my family are still in it. Visiting the old country, I have had to carry automatic weapons for protection against communist. By no means were my family upper class or even political.

My grandmother never finished the 8th grade, is in total awe at how far the family has come in one generation. All the state side grandchildren are professional, educated, homeowners, and prosperous. It was not easy and I would not have it any other way.

[Pete]

Which country?

[Wolfie]

Kelvin, im hearing you, when i used to live in Harare I had to carry a firearm and my uncle was in a firefight defending a friends farm. You know what its like but thats how i came to the conclusion that socilism is the way forward, this hate is brewed by people wanting ti get one up on their fellow man, it dosent have to be that way.

[Boris Moskovitz]

Oh... I'm sorry for my previous post. I guess it was a prejudice, oh well... But one thing is clear... No one here is homeless!

[notyetacommie]

And not too much response from right-wingers. What is this supposed to mean?

[Anarcho]

I'm not a right winger.

I grew up poor. foostamps and government cheese and living in the car for a month kind of poor. My mother went to jail for a while when I was a kid, so I got to live with my junkie uncle.

Didn't take baths and wore the same clothes for weeks poor.

Now I'm not. I worked hard to get where I am, and I think I'm a better person for it. I'm not rich, I'm not even all that comfortable, but when my kids need new clothes I can do that for them.

I've never worked in a sweatshop, though I did work as a Nurses Aid. That's close...

I've been harassed and hauranged by my boss. It's part of working.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Poor or rich, upper or lower class has nothing to do with ur political view.

Kevin is captalistic and has experienced war.

I am communistic and experienced war.

[Felicia]

well, I grew up "working class" and I'm now lower middle, but I've never 'wanted' for anything, I've had all that I've ever needed. And to be quite honest, it's had NO influence on my politics what so ever. I was a capitalist, and an "imperialist" (well, as far as that goes, lol). and I wanted to vote for the progressive conservatives when I was 11. But it wasn't until seeing the affect of capitalism and imperialism on third-world, lesser developed countries, that caused me to come around in my politics. I gave up things that I don't need, my cell phone etc... Became more socially aware, less shy and more outspoken. Watched what I bought ( as far as sweat shop clothes go), or as much as I could of that. But I've never been materialistic or superficial in any manner, so that helps :-P

[Bodacious]

I am very well off , single and have a playboy pad.I do not care to hear poor stories , I took what I have and didn't set back and moan and groan about it. If your poor it's beacuse you choose to be poor , hence you have no drive.Losersville is your hometown not mine.

[Chiak47]

Bodacious,

Life is what you make it.
Same story here minus the playboy pad.I am a kid at heart with all the toys I never had as a kid and my house shows it + My kids love it.

Thanks,
Eric

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Bodacious on 5:45 pm on April 16, 2003
I am very well off , single and have a playboy pad.I do not care to hear poor stories , I took what I have and didn't set back and moan and groan about it. If your poor it's beacuse you choose to be poor , hence you have no drive.Losersville is your hometown not mine.

Well do children in Ruanda etc, choose to be poor, people living in shanty towns in Nirobi, do they choose to live in Loserville.

You are a disgrace to hummanity, Nazi Trash.

[Zombie]

Quote: from Bodacious on 12:45 pm on April 16, 2003
I am very well off , single and have a playboy pad.I do not care to hear poor stories , I took what I have and didn't set back and moan and groan about it. If your poor it's beacuse you choose to be poor , hence you have no drive.Losersville is your hometown not mine.

No wonder you're single. Your mentality is here to prove it. Well done.

Z.

[Bodacious]

Well do children in Ruanda etc, choose to be poor, people living in shanty towns in Nirobi, do they choose to live in Loserville.

The author of this post asked about our (Rightwingers) finacial status. What does Ruanda etc have do do with anything. AK47 your just another commie crying foul , boohoo my goat died.

I got your Nazi trash and raise you a Hypocrite. Zombie do what you do best and go play with your camel.

[Wolfie]

Bodacios, you are insilant and have insulted many by you 2nd last post on this thread.

Does a poor boy living in a bad area of new york (who, i might add could also be anyone on this forum) who has to go to a shcool with substandard teaching and disruptive pupils choose to be like that? while more well off kids go to better posh and private schools.

Do you have any image of real life, or even what real life is? You sir, are an enemy of mine.

[Bodacious]

Did I ever say I approved of that? did I say it was fair? I think not. What I think is like alway's you peace-protester's want to twist everything I say into a richman/poorman contest. I run over peace-protesters by the way, they make excellent hood ornament's.

And dont try to cry to me about it , I didn't take the world on to raise , stop sucking on your mom's tit and get a job.

[Sabocat]

Quote: from Bodacious on 10:45 pm on April 16, 2003
I am very well off , single and have a playboy pad.I do not care to hear poor stories , I took what I have and didn't set back and moan and groan about it. If your poor it's beacuse you choose to be poor , hence you have no drive.Losersville is your hometown not mine.


You're kidding me right? You're poor because you choose to be poor? Tell that to a kid growing up in the projects, who struggles everyday to just get to and from his substandard school everyday alive. Then, if by some miracle he survives school, the chance that he'll be able to afford secondary education is practically nil. Without a secondary or technical school, he'll be relegated to working menial low paying jobs, thus ensuring that he too will live in poverty. It's the true capitalist model.

You have a very narrow outlook on reality.

[Zombie]

Quote: from Disgustapated on 5:09 pm on April 16, 2003

Quote: from Bodacious on 10:45 pm on April 16, 2003
I am very well off , single and have a playboy pad.I do not care to hear poor stories , I took what I have and didn't set back and moan and groan about it. If your poor it's beacuse you choose to be poor , hence you have no drive.Losersville is your hometown not mine.


You're kidding me right? You're poor because you choose to be poor? Tell that to a kid growing up in the projects, who struggles everyday to just get to and from his substandard school everyday alive. Then, if by some miracle he survives school, the chance that he'll be able to afford secondary education is practically nil. Without a secondary or technical school, he'll be relegated to working menial low paying jobs, thus ensuring that he too will live in poverty. It's the true capitalist model.

You have a very narrow outlook on reality.
Dude don't waste your breath on this loser, apparently he's having way too much dreams about having sex with camels... afterall, he is single and alone in this world. We shouldn't scoff at the guy too much, he's weak enough already. I feel sorry for him.

Z.

[Boris Moskovitz]

I think the camels are way to beautiful for him... Even they wouldn't want him. Gollum, or the one called Sméagol... Is his alter ego... Wait... Sméagol is too cool for him, I forgot:biggrin:!

[Felicia]

Quote: from Boris Moskovitz on 7:06 pm on April 16, 2003
I think the camels are way to beautiful for him... Even they wouldn't want him. Gollum, or the one called Sméagol... Is his alter ego... Wait... Sméagol is too cool for him, I forgot:biggrin:!
aww, camels are soooo cuuuute!!! I want one :cheesy:

[mentalbunny]

I have to say currently I am pretty well off, but when I start working all that will change because the kinds of jobs I want to do aren't well paid, except possibly one, and then I will have better things to do with my money than spend it on myself.

It is interesting to see the financial status of people and see how it combines with their political views. I am a bourgeois leftist I suppose, which in my opinion is not a bad thing. It is up to the Middle Class to become enlightened, they may not have the most money per person but overall they have the most power so they can educate themselves, they need to educate themselves for progress to be made. The Working Class has little chance to help itself and the Corporate Class (as I put it) doesn't want things to change in that way, they just want more money.

If you are poor and don't have access to good education then the Corporate Class can manipulate you, you see that the capitalist system is the only way to improve your life, so you work your arse off trying to live better and while doing that you are helping someone further up the chain get rich. If you have a leftist country it's true that no one is really rich, or possibly even very rich depending on the extent of the radicalism of the state politics, but it also means there are less people who are reallty poor. Obviously life would be very different in a socialist/communist country, less brand-names, probably less choice in your life for some things, but is that necessarily a bad thing? I don't believe it is, I believe that less suffering is better than more choice, which some consider freedom, for me it is just inequality, for the top band.

[mentalbunny]

Bump. (sorry, I just want someone to reply to my last post).

[Goldfinger]

That was a most beautiful post.

[Voice of Reason]

you keep talking about "a poor kid" who didnt choose to be that way. well, yea, your right he didn't. HOWEVER, if that kid is still poor at the age of 30 then YES he did choose to be poor.(at least in america where our government doesn't determine who goes to school and who doens't by taking tests or whatever you do OR in piss poor countries like rawanda which have a lot of other problems right now then crying about class warfare)

[Blibblob]

you keep talking about "a poor kid" who didnt choose to be that way. well, yea, your right he didn't. HOWEVER, if that kid is still poor at the age of 30 then YES he did choose to be poor.(at least in america where our government doesn't determine who goes to school and who doens't by taking tests or whatever you do OR in piss poor countries like rawanda which have a lot of other problems right now then crying about class warfare)
If he is still poor at 30 than it is not necessarily his fault. If he's a drunk, than it is. But if he is 30 and homeless, it could be that he didn't have enough money for college, and didn't do well enough to get scholarships. Tests don't determine intelligence or compatence, it just determines how well you take tests. Grades don't determine how smart you are either, it just shows that you felt like wasting your life away doing useless homework. The most fucked up and controled part of the US is its terrible education system. It is, first of all, controled by the Rockefeller foundation, which is controled by a bunch of collectivists. Second, the budget is very very low, children don't get the education they need. And back into it being controled by collectivism, the views are biased, and history was rewriten to make it sound better in that view.(collectivism is basically whats best for the group, screw the sorry individual, it also encompases fascism and soviet communism, complete control by the government)

[Voice of Reason]

i agree with everything you sad about the US education system, it is totaly messed up.

but in the end, its up to that boy. He was the one who decided doing endless hours of schoolwork was a waste of his time, and it would be better spent playing kick the can out in his backyard instead. other people make different choices.

your right, tests dont determine how smart you are, especially dumb iq tests and the sat. however, tests in school are an indication of how hard a person is willing to work. someone who played hookey and failed all his tests showed he wasn't willing to work hard, so why should a potential employer think he wont do the same thing in a high paying job...... besides the fact that he doenst have the skills he needed to learn in school to do it.

the boy made a list of priorities and decided school wasn't on the top of the list. its not unfair that he then doesnt get paid a lot for working at a fast food place, the only job he is qualified to work at.

although you are kind of right, in some countries I'd say its reaaaly hard to break into the money. like in england and some other european countries. definately NOT hte us though. junior colleges accept anyone with money and are cheap to boot. College loans are easy to get as well. anybody who wants in badly enough, can get in.... though at 30 year old divorced woman with 2 kids will have a tough time of it. her choice.

its not hard to make 40-50 grand. and that aint bad livin.... except maybe in baltimore. that place is a dump.

[Goldfinger]

How about this:

Iraq was the land of opportunities. In Iraq, it was possible to gain power and become a horrible dictator, so anyone who wanted to be someone had the right to do the same. Those who didn't, chose not to, so if they were tortured to death by his regime, it was because they chose to.

[nz revolution]

Nice analysis there Mental Bunny and quite correct I believe.

Im from the working class, luckily for us in NZ you can get a student loan easy and there isn't much pressure to pay it off, plus living at home helps, I get $150 (50 pounds) a week which I have to pay back when I finish studying, so I dont have to work much, only one shift a week then its being an activist and studying, painting political slogans on footpaths and power boxes and so on...

Me? Commie, desperately wants guerrilla warfare in Northland (where the poor native Maori live, like myself but nowhere near as poor)

CHE LIVES!

(Edited by nz revolution at 12:24 am on April 22, 2003)

[mentalbunny]

Britain's sorting out it's education in some ways, there's more pressures on Universities to accept state school pupils, which is great in my opinion but not in those who I go to to with's opinion (sorry, not very good grammar I know, my parents are wasting their money!). However this year the funding for schools wasn't raised enough to pay for the extra costs and many schools are cutting back in various ways which restricts the breadth and depth of education for the kids. I think this is partly due to the war, as it cost so much and now the government has to reduce spending elsewhere.