Minor Threat aka the Greates Band EVER

[Rosa Provokateur]

I've been losing my mind trying to find a store that sells Minor Threat cd's and was wondering if any of you guys knew of some. Either that or a site I could download onto my mp3 for free. I heard them two weeks ago and need a fix of their music or I'll fuckin die:crying:

[Os Cangaceiros]

If I had my other computer, I could send Complete Discography to you.

You should be able to find it in any major music store. FYE should have it, if there's one near where you live. Hell, any music store, really.

[JimmyJazz]

Christians can't say fuckin.

I don't know about best band ever but "Cashing In" is really good. Fugazi is better imo.

[Post-Something]

Try this: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OWA01WL3

Fugazi is better though.

[Red October]

Just torrent it.

[Incendiarism]

Minor Threat is probably one of the better hardcore 80's bands, but I can't say I listen to them too much. My favorite hardcore band is probably Channel 3, they're awesome.

[Pirate Utopian]

www.megaupload.com/?d=eccvhmln

[Os Cangaceiros]

Minor Threat really wasn't that great, in my opinion. What really made them unique was Ian McKay's preachiness. The man almost singlehandedly created two of the worst musical subcultures ever: sXe and emo. :thumbdown:

The actual musicianship of the group was not special. I mean, Articles of Faith, Youth Brigade, and a million other bands were almost exactly the same. Black Flag was 500000 times better.

[communard resolution]

]The man almost singlehandedly created two of the worst musical subcultures ever: sXe and emo. :thumbdown:

Seconded.


The actual musicianship of the group was not special. I mean, Articles of Faith, Youth Brigade, and a million other bands were almost exactly the same. Black Flag was 500000 times better.

And again.

[Incendiarism]

I have to disagree.

As a guy who loves emo music I really don't acknowledge what little he did(IMO), and I consider Rites of Spring to be far more influential and better, musically speaking.

As for straight edge...well, straight edge itself isn't bad, thoug hI'm biased since I don't drink or smoke, but the hardliners are just too fucked up, honestly, and without straight edge I doubt we'd have to deal with those idiots

[Os Cangaceiros]

I have to disagree.

As a guy who loves emo music I really don't acknowledge what little he did(IMO), and I consider Rites of Spring to be far more influential and better, musically speaking.

As for straight edge...well, straight edge itself isn't bad, thoug hI'm biased since I don't drink or smoke, but the hardliners are just too fucked up, honestly, and without straight edge I doubt we'd have to deal with those idiots

Well, it's not much of an exaggeration to say that all Emo bands today reference Fugazi as a major influence. McKay also had Embrace.

But yeah, Emo kids aren't as annoying as the condescending straight edgers. Especially the hardcore skinheads who will beat the living shit out of you if they see you with a beer. :rolleyes:

[Post-Something]

Minor Threat really wasn't that great, in my opinion. What really made them unique was Ian McKay's preachiness. The man almost singlehandedly created two of the worst musical subcultures ever: sXe and emo. :thumbdown:

The actual musicianship of the group was not special. I mean, Articles of Faith, Youth Brigade, and a million other bands were almost exactly the same. Black Flag was 500000 times better.

wrong

[Os Cangaceiros]

wrong

No.

[Incendiarism]

what

[Os Cangaceiros]

lol

[Rosa Provokateur]

Minor Threat really wasn't that great, in my opinion. What really made them unique was Ian McKay's preachiness. The man almost singlehandedly created two of the worst musical subcultures ever: sXe and emo. :thumbdown:

The actual musicianship of the group was not special. I mean, Articles of Faith, Youth Brigade, and a million other bands were almost exactly the same. Black Flag was 500000 times better.

One song proves their awesomeness, "Seeing Red". "Straight Edge" and "Guilty of Being White" are pretty good too. Emo is so-so but straight-edge, whats not to love:tt2:

[Os Cangaceiros]

"Look Back and Laugh" is by far their greatest song. By FAR.

It's probably one of my favorite songs, actually.

[There is No God!]

Minor Threat really wasn't that great, in my opinion. What really made them unique was Ian McKay's preachiness. The man almost singlehandedly created two of the worst musical subcultures ever: sXe and emo. :thumbdown:



Technically yes, but Fugazi emo is so much different to the emo you hear these days, I hate it when the two are compared.

[Incendiarism]

^ treu true true

By emo I meant stuff like the get up kids and saves the day...which is still substantially different from fugazi, but has more in common with punk than the metalcore shit.

[Post-Something]

Fugazi is post-hardcore, not emo. Emo isn't even a real genre of music, it's just a stupid pretentious name for those bands that were influenced by rites of spring, and then again in the 1990's by the likes of sunny day real estate.

Minor Threat accidently created sXe, so you can't blame them. What made Minor Threat so good was the raw energy etc, but also because Mackaye made Dischord to release all their stuff. What happened in the time of Minor Threat was really different in the music scene, because a bunch of kids were just making music for themselves, not to be sold in wal-mart. I think Minor Threat are a good band to sort of sum the whole era up tbh, and their complete discography is pretty much flawless. 7seconds and youth brigade were just a bunch of kids who needed to get laid really bad though.

So yeah, Minor Threat = win, and Mackaye and his girlfriend are expecting a baby soon btw, so definitely no Fugazi reunion.

[Incendiarism]

Dude, all the 80's hardcore bands were composed of kids who needed to get laid.

And concerning emo, I think it's valid. I'd rather call Sunny Day Real Estate emo than grunge on the grounds that the former is quite specific.

[Louis Pio]

While Minor Threat was ok I think there was plenty of better bands.

Adolescents, Jerry's Kids and TSOL just to name a few, though the latters later records are probably not hardcore enough for a puritan, that's their loss however.

[communard resolution]

Adolescents, Jerry's Kids and TSOL just to name a few, though the latters later records are probably not hardcore enough for a puritan, that's their loss however.

I saw the Adolescents live this year and they were killer despite their, erm, advanced age.

I never actually heard TSOL beyond their first EP and the Dance With Me album. And yeah, probably that's because people told me to stay away. I saw a later album cover, though, on which they looked like a hair metal band. So... what later albums should I check out and what did they sound like later?

[Louis Pio]

Well some of the later TSOL is not really TSOL, it ended with no original members left who played hairmetal, there was a big fight over the name.
I think "Beneath The Shadows" is a great album, pretty dark, but maybe too "new wawe" for some.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Beneath the Shadows was actually pretty good.

That, Dance With Me, and TSOL/Weathered Statues is pretty much all you should get by them, though, in my opinion.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Dude, all the 80's hardcore bands were composed of kids who needed to get laid.

Maybe the sXe kids, but the really dirty, grimy 80s punk movement wasn't about that at all.

For bands like the Dwarves and GG Allin's various "bands" (and bands like the Anti Nowhere League in Britain), getting laid was totally eclipsed by drug fueled lunacy and mayhem. Which is why I like those bands so much. :)

[Incendiarism]

Nobody would consciously have had sex with GG Allin

[Os Cangaceiros]

Little trivial matters like consent didn't seem to matter much to GG Allin, though.

And from what I've read, that applied to men, women, and various animals.

[Rosa Provokateur]

Maybe the sXe kids, but the really dirty, grimy 80s punk movement wasn't about that at all.

:glare: Why all the heat against straight-edgers...

[Dystisis]

One song proves their awesomeness, "Seeing Red". "Straight Edge" and "Guilty of Being White" are pretty good too. Emo is so-so but straight-edge, whats not to love:tt2:
What these genres have in common is that they are based not on the sound or intention behind the bands but actually the image and projection of group mentalism. So, basically, it has nothing to do with music.

[Pirate Utopian]

:glare: Why all the heat against straight-edgers...
Cause they are mostly preachy sods who all sound the same?

Minor Threat was a decent band but nothing special.

GG Allin reigns supreme over Minor Threat.
Suck My Ass It Smells or Sleeping In My Piss are timeless classics.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Cause they are mostly preachy sods who all sound the same?

Minor Threat was a decent band but nothing special.

GG Allin reigns supreme over Minor Threat.
Suck My Ass It Smells or Sleeping In My Piss are timeless classics.

I personally prefer the classic he cut with the Texas Nazis, Eat My Diarrhea.

Everytime I hear that song I break into uncontrollable fits of giggling.

[Pirate Utopian]

GG Allin has the best songtitles.

Anti-Social Masturbator
**** Suckin' Cannibal
Expose Yourself To Kids
I Wanna Fuck Your Brains Out
Last In Line For The Gang Bang
My Bloody Mutilation
Outlaw Scumfuc

[Os Cangaceiros]

He put out an enormous discography of shit, but I think he did a couple good songs. Sluts in the City is one, and I also like Scumfuck Tradition. His body of work with the Jabbers, as well.

His "country album" came highly recommended to me from someone I know who is into him. "Carnival of Excess", I think it's called. I'll have to give it a shot sometime.

[coda]

You can buy their cds in just about any store that sells music.

I really like Minor Threat.

However, straight edge culture= Big Threat!

[communard resolution]

Well some of the later TSOL is not really TSOL, it ended with no original members left who played hairmetal, there was a big fight over the name.
I think "Beneath The Shadows" is a great album, pretty dark, but maybe too "new wawe" for some.

OK, that makes sense. I like new wave and I don't mind dark as long as it's got edge, so thanks for the recommendation - I'll check that album out.

[communard resolution]

He put out an enormous discography of shit, but I think he did a couple good songs. Sluts in the City is one, and I also like Scumfuck Tradition. His body of work with the Jabbers, as well.




I love GG Allin, even though some of his later stuff I only listen to for comedy value. But you're right, the country & western album he did is largely good, and I'm excited to know someone on here likes the Jabbers. That first album GG did with the Jabbers "Always Is, Was, and Shall Be" is to me one of the most criminally underrated punk rock records of all time. It's in my punk rock top 10, up there with Raw Power, L.A.M.F, and Static Age.

[Plagueround]

Cause they are mostly preachy sods who all sound the same?

I would like to take the opportunity to perhaps slightly expand on the assertion you have made regarding people who identify as members of the straight-edge movement by saying:

[email protected] EDGE KIDS

[communard resolution]

GG Allin has the best songtitles.

Anti-Social Masturbator


No, it was Anti-Social Masterbator! He couldn't spell.

[The Douche]

Cause they are mostly preachy sods who all sound the same?

Minor Threat was a decent band but nothing special.

GG Allin reigns supreme over Minor Threat.
Suck My Ass It Smells or Sleeping In My Piss are timeless classics.

This is bullshit, first of all, the bands do not sound the same, compare minor threat or xfilesx, to youth of today or judge, and compare them to bands like earth crisis and xtyrantx.

I am friends with a lot of edge kids, and go to every local hardcore show, nobody has ever "preached" the me about edge, they all know I'm not, I know they are, it doesn't affect us, we have edge bands in my town who have lyrics like "burnout beatdown" and "straight fucking edge taking over the world" and those dudes give me hugs and I get in on gang vocals for them even though I am not and never have been edge.

Also, green apostle, you can't be christian and straight edge.

[Incendiarism]

That may be so, but they do get a bad rap precisely because a good number of them are violent and obnoxious bastards.

I could categorize myself as a straight edger since I don't drink, do drugs, and am a vegetarian, but I honestly don't think I have the willpower to tolerate those windmilling assholes.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I don't drink, do drugs, and am a vegetarian

:scared:

[Incendiarism]

*spinkicks you*

[Os Cangaceiros]

Ouch!

*Recovers from spinkick by eating a juicy steak, smoking a joint, and washin' it all down with an ice cold Heinekin.*

[Pirate Utopian]

Heineken? *spinkicks Agora's bad taste in beer*

[Os Cangaceiros]

Hey. I'm from the US, you can't blame me for my taste in beer.

[The Douche]

That may be so, but they do get a bad rap precisely because a good number of them are violent and obnoxious bastards.

I could categorize myself as a straight edger since I don't drink, do drugs, and am a vegetarian, but I honestly don't think I have the willpower to tolerate those windmilling assholes.

Its punk, of course they are violent and obnoxious bastards...:confused:

I think kids who are underage and show up at a venue with booze or drugs should be kicked out. If they aren't then they are putting the venue and the scene in danger. I've seen my town loose a lot of good venues because of dumb shit like that. But most of the time when those kids are told to get rid of the shit/leave if they are drunk they refuse and start talking shit on edge kids, and thats where the violence comes in.

And I am proud to be a "windmilling asshole", not only do I windmill, but I crowd kill too, yeah, I purposely hit the people on the edge of the pit. Deal with it, hardcore show, don't like it, stand in the back, or toughen up.

[Incendiarism]

I can deal with moshing, but hardcore dancing is just fucking lame. Do that at metalcore shows, not in hardcore punk circles. I'm tired of seeing assholes coming in venues with US Army tank tops and doing that ridiculous crap.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Its punk, of course they are violent and obnoxious bastards...:confused:

It's the fact that they're violent, obnoxious, and self righteous that bugs me.


I think kids who are underage and show up at a venue with booze or drugs should be kicked out. If they aren't then they are putting the venue and the scene in danger. I've seen my town loose a lot of good venues because of dumb shit like that. But most of the time when those kids are told to get rid of the shit/leave if they are drunk they refuse and start talking shit on edge kids, and thats where the violence comes in.

Most of the incidents that I've read about and witnessed involved self righteous pricks singling out those who didn't conform with what they wanted. That's where the stupid, idiotic slogans that sXedgers have like "Bring back Prohibition!" come in. :rolleyes:

[The Douche]

I can deal with moshing, but hardcore dancing is just fucking lame. Do that at metalcore shows, not in hardcore punk circles. I'm tired of seeing assholes coming in venues with US Army tank tops and doing that ridiculous crap.

That "hardcore dancing" (a phrase which pretty much nobody in hardcore uses) has been around since the start of the scene. I've seen a video of somebody two stepping on stage at one of the first cro mags shows, it goes all the way back to the start of hardcore. Also, I don't like metalcore, it pretty much has nothing to do with hardcore, assuming you're talking about grind and death stuff (like job for a cowboy, white chapel, all shall perish), good metalcore ended before 2000, with bands like Earth Crisis, Vegan Reich, and Race Traitor.


It's the fact that they're violent, obnoxious, and self righteous that bugs me.

Yeah because that definitely doesn't exist in the anarcho, crust, or dbeat punk cultures, right?:rolleyes: (I would consider those kids to be a million times more self righteous than most straight edgers)


Most of the incidents that I've read about and witnessed involved self righteous pricks singling out those who didn't conform with what they wanted. That's where the stupid, idiotic slogans that sXedgers have like "Bring back Prohibition!" come in. :rolleyes:

Well were they picking out underage kids who were drunk? Or people drinking at a show where alcohol is not served? If so, then they are right to be doing it, and you should be thanking them, because its better to have your scene police itself than to have it done from outside. I am pretty confident you're not talking about a situation where a straight edge dude attacked somebody who was 21 and drinking at a show in a bar. Nobody says "bring back prohibition" and means it, except for really young kids who think they're a lot tougher than they are. Those shirts and stuff are a tiny minority of the scene, and if you had any experience then you would know that.

But the reason those kind of people exist (however small thier numbers are) is because people senselessly bash on the edge cause they think its funny. "LOL hey edge guy wanna beer hahahahahahahahahahaha", its not funny, it's not only offensive, but its not even funny. And then when they get fed up with it, you call them self righteous.

You guys know that prohibition has a history of support within the anarchist movement as well?

[INDK]

Minor Threat was indeed the shit but I think the title for best hardcore band goes to either Black Flag or Bad Brains and don't try to make me decide between those two...

[Labor Shall Rule]

A few weeks ago, Erie (my hometown) "edgers" got in a fight with fifteen drunks that came around a theater we were having a show at. I am friends with many of them, and I assure you, they didn't 'attack them' for the hell of it. In Reno and Boston, however, there are 'gangs' (more like 'crews') that beat up drug dealers and take their money to fund shows or to give to drug rehabilitation clinics. It got so bad that the police urged anti-addiction charities and medical facilities to track who was giving them their money.

But I know it's reactionary nevertheless - most Sxers around here have a "kill your local drug dealer" hoodie, use openly homophobic or male supremacist language in their music (i.e. "faggot", "pussy", "queer"), and tend to not be principally opposed to drug prohibition and police violence.

[The Douche]

In Reno and Boston, however, there are 'gangs' (more like 'crews') that beat up drug dealers and take their money to fund shows or to give to drug rehabilitation clinics. It got so bad that the police urged anti-addiction charities and medical facilities to track who was giving them their money.

Rare occurrances like this really don't mean much. But honestly, I see nothing wrong with it, and would largely consider it to be positive.


But I know it's reactionary nevertheless - most Sxers around here have a "kill your local drug dealer" hoodie, use openly homophobic or male supremacist language in their music (i.e. "faggot", "pussy", "queer"), and tend to not be principally opposed to drug prohibition and police violence.

So you are pro-drug dealing? I had one of those shirts, I'd still wear it if I knew where it was. Drugs damage our community. I cannot dispute the use of that language within the hardcore scene, and can't deny my own use of that language. (but lol at your quote of dead prez when you critique hardcore for its language). As for police violence, you are kidding, hardcore kids don't support cops, they might be happy to see one less drug dealer, but they are never happy to see the cops, I think you know that.

[Labor Shall Rule]

So you are pro-drug dealing? I had one of those shirts, I'd still wear it if I knew where it was. Drugs damage our community. I cannot dispute the use of that language within the hardcore scene, and can't deny my own use of that language. (but lol at your quote of dead prez when you critique hardcore for its language). As for police violence, you are kidding, hardcore kids don't support cops, they might be happy to see one less drug dealer, but they are never happy to see the cops, I think you know that.

First off, I love hardcore, and no doubt, there are 'progressive' bands, so don't post like I'm a outsider that is researching and criticizing it based on a few biased, subjective encounters.

The roots of radical straight-edge (which has, more or less, appropriated hardcore as it's sound) are in depressed neighborhoods: youth whose parents were laid-off during the horrific years of deindustrialization, who were faced with the presence of drugs and criminal activity as a response to the decline of welfare and the exodus to part-time, low-paid jobs, had came to lack a social solidarity and collective identity. The lack of remedies to these social problems lead to cultural resistance => critical and conscientious music that is (often) directed at class exploitation and race oppression. There is no doubt that it's 'sound' has working class roots.

But their tapestry of polticality was highly nihilistic - it had no goal, platform, or base, just like most sub-cultures. It was 'reactionary' in that they promised violence on people their age that simply wanted to do what it took to survive in those Boston streets (i.e. by becoming dealers or getting involved with gangs). To pledge murder on your class brother for doing something that is not socially-sanctioned within your own drug-less clique is irrefutably backward, especially when you offer dictums ('drugs are bad') without backing it with scientific evidence.

[Pirate Utopian]

Who are you to decide wether or not somebody may put drugs into their own body?
Pro-drug dealers unite!

[The Douche]

Who are you to decide wether or not somebody may put drugs into their own body?
Pro-drug dealers unite!

Yeah, keep heroin in the veins of the poor, man!!


First off, I love hardcore, and no doubt, there are 'progressive' bands, so don't post like I'm a outsider that is researching and criticizing it based on a few biased, subjective encounters.

The roots of radical straight-edge (which has, more or less, appropriated hardcore as it's sound) are in depressed neighborhoods: youth whose parents were laid-off during the horrific years of deindustrialization, who were faced with the presence of drugs and criminal activity as a response to the decline of welfare and the exodus to part-time, low-paid jobs, had came to lack a social solidarity and collective identity. The lack of remedies to these social problems lead to cultural resistance => critical and conscientious music that is (often) directed at class exploitation and race oppression. There is no doubt that it's 'sound' has working class roots.

But their tapestry of polticality was highly nihilistic - it had no goal, platform, or base, just like most sub-cultures. It was 'reactionary' in that they promised violence on people their age that simply wanted to do what it took to survive in those Boston streets (i.e. by becoming dealers or getting involved with gangs). To pledge murder on your class brother for doing something that is not socially-sanctioned within your own drug-less clique is irrefutably backward, especially when you offer dictums ('drugs are bad') without backing it with scientific evidence.

None of this can really be refuted. It speaks mostly to sub-culture in general.

But honestly, how are edge kids a real problem? How many edge kids have killed anybody? I'm willing to bet many more working class kids have been killed by dealers than militant edge kids. They're just trying to keep their scene and thier neighborhood clean, and I honestly don't have a problem with that.

[Rosa Provokateur]

This is bullshit, first of all, the bands do not sound the same, compare minor threat or xfilesx, to youth of today or judge, and compare them to bands like earth crisis and xtyrantx.

I am friends with a lot of edge kids, and go to every local hardcore show, nobody has ever "preached" the me about edge, they all know I'm not, I know they are, it doesn't affect us, we have edge bands in my town who have lyrics like "burnout beatdown" and "straight fucking edge taking over the world" and those dudes give me hugs and I get in on gang vocals for them even though I am not and never have been edge.

Also, green apostle, you can't be christian and straight edge.
I'm glad to see someone standing up for the scene but whaddya mean I cant be christian and straight-edge? I'm both and nobody I know seems to mind; if you're talking about the violence I do slam-dance but my buddies know I dont fight so they keep me out of any rumbles they're gonna do.

[Rosa Provokateur]

Pro-drug dealers unite!
Not in my neighborhood:thumbdown:

[Labor Shall Rule]

But honestly, how are edge kids a real problem? How many edge kids have killed anybody? I'm willing to bet many more working class kids have been killed by dealers than militant edge kids. They're just trying to keep their scene and thier neighborhood clean, and I honestly don't have a problem with that.

Salt Lake City is full of fire bombings, vandalism, and even a case of murder. This has lead to kids forming gangs with the sole purpose of protecting people from 'edge' kids.

Drug abuse is a problem. But to pretend heavy penal sentences or 'killing' them will solve that (or, 'cleansing' them to use your language), then you are full of angst-ridden, nihilistic rage. Also, 'drugs' is a amorphous term that embodies multiple substances, many which aren't deadly, and that don't 'fry your brain' whatsoever. It's unmaterialist to not see that people consume narcotics for many reasons, which include the religious and cultural (the Rastafarians and Native American Church come to mind).

So yes, I think we should be pro-'drug' since we are pro-liberation - if we suppress the real feeling (which is not just a mental and psychological addiction) to have a fun collective experience in a social setting, then we repress 'fun'.

[The Douche]

I'm glad to see someone standing up for the scene but whaddya mean I cant be christian and straight-edge? I'm both and nobody I know seems to mind; if you're talking about the violence I do slam-dance but my buddies know I dont fight so they keep me out of any rumbles they're gonna do.

No, its mainly a reference to a song by a band called xfilesx. But seriously, I'm not going to discuss why edge and christianity don't go together (hello crutch!) because I am not edge.

Oh and lol at "slam dance" and "rumbles", I'd probably hit you at a show in my town, no offence, I'm just "one of those guys".


Salt Lake City is full of fire bombings, vandalism, and even a case of murder. This has lead to kids forming gangs with the sole purpose of protecting people from 'edge' kids.

I have never heard of kids forming gangs to protect themselves from edge kids? Do you mean other hardcore kids froming crews to protect themselves? Because, that, I would buy. But regardless, I would like to see you compare the numbers of serious violence perpetuated by edge kids to those acts committed by gang bangers.


Drug abuse is a problem. But to pretend heavy penal sentences or 'killing' them will solve that (or, 'cleansing' them to use your language), then you are full of angst-ridden, nihilistic rage. Also, 'drugs' is a amorphous term that embodies multiple substances, many which aren't deadly, and that don't 'fry your brain' whatsoever. It's unmaterialist to not see that people consume narcotics for many reasons, which include the religious and cultural (the Rastafarians and Native American Church come to mind).

So yes, I think we should be pro-'drug' since we are pro-liberation - if we suppress the real feeling (which is not just a mental and psychological addiction) to have a fun collective experience in a social setting, then we repress 'fun'.

I see no benefit in any drugs, to include alcohol, and thats coming from a person who is a frequent user of cigarettes and alcohol, as well as having been an avid user of controlled substances in the past. And I do see negatives that come from it, would I support banning it, no. Do I support resisting it as a culture, yes.

[Rosa Provokateur]

Salt Lake City is full of fire bombings, vandalism, and even a case of murder. This has lead to kids forming gangs with the sole purpose of protecting people from 'edge' kids.

Drug abuse is a problem. But to pretend heavy penal sentences or 'killing' them will solve that (or, 'cleansing' them to use your language), then you are full of angst-ridden, nihilistic rage. Also, 'drugs' is a amorphous term that embodies multiple substances, many which aren't deadly, and that don't 'fry your brain' whatsoever. It's unmaterialist to not see that people consume narcotics for many reasons, which include the religious and cultural (the Rastafarians and Native American Church come to mind).

So yes, I think we should be pro-'drug' since we are pro-liberation - if we suppress the real feeling (which is not just a mental and psychological addiction) to have a fun collective experience in a social setting, then we repress 'fun'.
What you've got are terrorists and hard-liners who in no way represent all of us and I hope the guys responsible for all that stuff are caught. Sucks to hear that it happened in SLC of all places:(

I dont advocate heavy penal anything but I think keeping dealers out of your community is a must. They cause nothing but problems for the people they sell to and those around them. As for "drugs", I define it as anything thats a non-medical intoxicant; I dont mean bash the people who drink or smoke but definatly do something about anybody selling or dealing meth and junk like that.

How're you gonna call us nihilistic and then support doing whatever drug you want because it feels good. I support fun and I'll party with the best of 'em but drugs only create addictions which dont liberate but enslave, making people dependent on a crutch to get through life. It controls them and they're behavior and decision-making. Anything that coerces people like that is counter to what I think we all believe in.

[Rosa Provokateur]

No, its mainly a reference to a song by a band called xfilesx. But seriously, I'm not going to discuss why edge and christianity don't go together (hello crutch!) because I am not edge.

Oh and lol at "slam dance" and "rumbles", I'd probably hit you at a show in my town, no offence, I'm just "one of those guys".

"Real Edgemen Hate Jesus", right; I've heard it and give props for the lyric rhythm:)

Glad you like my slang. Hardcore, as opposed to metal and main-stream punk, is kinda new where I live so we're still working on our language. As long as you're not wearing spikes or using weapons then be my guest.

[Lord Testicles]

I saw this thread and just had to jump in.


I think keeping dealers out of your community is a must.

But were would people get their drugs then?
How would you keep the dealers out of your community? War on drugs maybe?


They cause nothing but problems for the people they sell to and those around them.

The police and it seems "edgers" cause the problems, most of the dealers I know sell a little weed and maybe some MDMA now and again, I think most people would agree that these substances aren't as harmfull or destructive as say alcohol or heroin but would you consider the differences when throwing these "dealers" out of your community and parhaps most importantly would you take into consideration the right of the drug takers to use their body as they see fit.


How're you gonna call us nihilistic and then support doing whatever drug you want because it feels good.

Maybe he believes in personal freedom?


drugs [...] dont liberate but enslave,

You mean like religion?


making people dependent on a crutch to get through life.

Like religion?


It controls them and they're behavior and decision-making.

Just like religion?


Anything that coerces people like that is counter to what I think we all believe in.

A lot of drugs are not physically addictive making your last argument a bit misleading. However I do recall that religion has a history of coercing people. Maybe you (as an anarchist) should think about how much right the state has to intervene to prevent individuals from doing something that harms themselves.

[Labor Shall Rule]

I dont advocate heavy penal anything but I think keeping dealers out of your community is a must. They cause nothing but problems for the people they sell to and those around them. As for "drugs", I define it as anything thats a non-medical intoxicant; I dont mean bash the people who drink or smoke but definatly do something about anybody selling or dealing meth and junk like that.

How're you gonna call us nihilistic and then support doing whatever drug you want because it feels good. I support fun and I'll party with the best of 'em but drugs only create addictions which dont liberate but enslave, making people dependent on a crutch to get through life. It controls them and they're behavior and decision-making. Anything that coerces people like that is counter to what I think we all believe in.

There are over 60 chemicals in marijuana which may have medical uses. It's been used since the ancient ages as a treatment to multiple diseases that inflict pain or nausea, such as multiple sclerosis, glaucoma, migrant headaches, asthma, dystonia, and the like. It wasn't witch-hunted as a 'illegal' drug until the mid-30's in the United States. It's non-addictive too; in fact, many (if not most) drugs are non-addictive.

And idiot, people do things to make them 'feel good' even if it is not drugs: they play video games all day, they have sex, they post on message boards, they collect Star Wars figurines, they eat fatty-foods, and the list goes on and on. I don't see how those 'enslave' you anymore than drugs do.

[Incendiarism]

Look, discouraging comrades from using drugs and alcohol is definitely legitimate and I support that, but it should not be dictated by the government.

If you want to be a straight edger, fine, but it doesn't give you a license to be a sore prick about, well, everything. Being a guy who goes to punk shows every now and then, I don't understand how moshing is even enjoyable, and most of the straightedgers down here don't give a lick if they hit somebody in the face or jump into crowds feet first and I'm not cool with that.

And there is the fact that hardliners like the type Labor Shall Rule described are out there.

[Fawkes]

Yeah because that definitely doesn't exist in the anarcho, crust, or dbeat punk cultures, right?:rolleyes: (I would consider those kids to be a million times more self righteous than most straight edgers)



Well were they picking out underage kids who were drunk? Or people drinking at a show where alcohol is not served? If so, then they are right to be doing it, and you should be thanking them, because its better to have your scene police itself than to have it done from outside. I am pretty confident you're not talking about a situation where a straight edge dude attacked somebody who was 21 and drinking at a show in a bar. Nobody says "bring back prohibition" and means it, except for really young kids who think they're a lot tougher than they are. Those shirts and stuff are a tiny minority of the scene, and if you had any experience then you would know that.


You guys know that prohibition has a history of support within the anarchist movement as well?

Anarcho and crust both suck dick, along with sXe.

And also, that thing about anarchism and prohibition, that's not true, except for maybe on an extreme fringe.

Anyway, back the Minor Threat, they're awesome, but I personally like Black Flag better.

[The Douche]

Anarcho and crust both suck dick, along with sXe.

And also, that thing about anarchism and prohibition, that's not true, except for maybe on an extreme fringe.

Anyway, back the Minor Threat, they're awesome, but I personally like Black Flag better.

You do realise that if it wasn't for hardcore, especially a lot of the straight edge youth crew bands then there would be no skinhead scene in the US?

There was a strong movement with the anarchists in the Spanish revolution to ban alcohol from thier areas because they felt that it was used to placate the working class. I don't think that can be argued. I'm not saying I agree with banning alcohol, I consume it, but nonetheless, I do see where edgers come from.

And way to try and play up the "tough skinhead" thing, I bet most edge kids I hang with could kick your ass. Northeast USA? Who in RASH do you hang with, feel free to pm me that info...

And to the people talking about hardline, that is not straight edge, it is a totally seperate movement that grew out of straight edge. There are militant edge kids, and vegan edge kids, but that is not the same as hardline. And most militant edge kids still don't mind hanging with kids who aren't I chill with dudes who are pretty militant, and I don't shit on them so they don't shit all over me. Thats probably a social skill you should learn if you expect to make it anywhere in the world with people.

[Louis Pio]

but I personally like Black Flag better.

Quite funnily that awfull Black Flag instrumental album is one of the best examples of how hash can make musicians not realise they are putting out shit. The process of weeding out really exemplifies intellectual musical masturbation in my book

[Fawkes]

You do realise that if it wasn't for hardcore, especially a lot of the straight edge youth crew bands then there would be no skinhead scene in the US?

There was a strong movement with the anarchists in the Spanish revolution to ban alcohol from thier areas because they felt that it was used to placate the working class. I don't think that can be argued. I'm not saying I agree with banning alcohol, I consume it, but nonetheless, I do see where edgers come from.

And way to try and play up the "tough skinhead" thing, I bet most edge kids I hang with could kick your ass. Northeast USA? Who in RASH do you hang with, feel free to pm me that info...

And to the people talking about hardline, that is not straight edge, it is a totally seperate movement that grew out of straight edge. There are militant edge kids, and vegan edge kids, but that is not the same as hardline. And most militant edge kids still don't mind hanging with kids who aren't I chill with dudes who are pretty militant, and I don't shit on them so they don't shit all over me. Thats probably a social skill you should learn if you expect to make it anywhere in the world with people.
That doesn't mean I have to like the straight edge scene. I like hardcore, I don't like a lot of sXe kids. There are some that I've met that are cool, I'm friends with one.

Where the fuck did I act like a "tough skinhead"? I don't care if you think you're sXe friends could kick my ass, you've never even fucking met me or know anything about me, so you sound like a dumbass by saying that. I don't hang out with anyone from RASH, none are around where I live that I know of, plus I don't really like mixing politics with the punk and skin music scene anyway.

I'll admit, I didn't know that about the Spanish anarchists and I'll look more into the history behind it.

[The Douche]

That doesn't mean I have to like the straight edge scene. I like hardcore, I don't like a lot of sXe kids. There are some that I've met that are cool, I'm friends with one.

Where the fuck did I act like a "tough skinhead"? I don't care if you think you're sXe friends could kick my ass, you've never even fucking met me or know anything about me, so you sound like a dumbass by saying that. I don't hang out with anyone from RASH, none are around where I live that I know of, plus I don't really like mixing politics with the punk and skin music scene anyway.

I'll admit, I didn't know that about the Spanish anarchists and I'll look more into the history behind it.

And why don't you like these edge kids?

(tough skinhead guy comment--->)
Anarcho and crust both suck dick, along with sXe.

If I were you I would probably not get involved with being a "redskin". That's just my advice, having spent a little bit of time in the skinhead scene. (any of my RASH friends who happen to see this, you know who I like and who I don't like and I don't have any problems with you guys from philly) A lot of people in RASH refuse to be a part of the scene, they seperate themselves entirely from the rest of the scene.

In my mind I was always a skinhead who happend to be a red, and that made me unfit for RASH in the eyes of some people.

[Fawkes]

And why don't you like these edge kids?

(tough skinhead guy comment--->)
How does saying that something sucks dick make me a "tough skinhead guy"? A lot of the edge kids I've been in contact with are just as people here described, really self righteous. I don't dislike all crust, anarcho, or sXe guys, but the scenes in general I don't like.




In my mind I was always a skinhead who happend to be a red, and that made me unfit for RASH in the eyes of some people.

That's exactly how I feel. Though, on top of that, I don't even know if I would consider myself a skin, I'm something in between a skin and a punk, I just don't really bother to label myself.

[The Douche]

How does saying that something sucks dick make me a "tough skinhead guy"? A lot of the edge kids I've been in contact with are just as people here described, really self righteous. I don't dislike all crust, anarcho, or sXe guys, but the scenes in general I don't like.

C'mon dude, if you've spent any time in the skinhead scene then you know there is essentially a way skins are expected to act and talk, and that kind of statement just falls perfectly in line with the stereotypical skinhead. "Yeah man, that shit sucks dick", as opposed to "anarcho punk sucks". (I'm suprised nobody has jumped on you for the sexist/homophobic nature of the statement, but I certainly won't do it as I am guilty of it as well)

Its hilarious that anybody involved in punk would accuse anybody of being self righteous, punk, and all its spinoffs (be it hardcore, skinheads, crust etc) are easily the most elitist of subcultures.


That's exactly how I feel. Though, on top of that, I don't even know if I would consider myself a skin, I'm something in between a skin and a punk, I just don't really bother to label myself.

My skinhead friends consider me a skinhead and my hardcore friends consider me to be a hardcore kid. Its whatever.

[Fawkes]

C'mon dude, if you've spent any time in the skinhead scene then you know there is essentially a way skins are expected to act and talk, and that kind of statement just falls perfectly in line with the stereotypical skinhead. "Yeah man, that shit sucks dick", as opposed to "anarcho punk sucks". (I'm suprised nobody has jumped on you for the sexist/homophobic nature of the statement, but I certainly won't do it as I am guilty of it as well)

Its hilarious that anybody involved in punk would accuse anybody of being self righteous, punk, and all its spinoffs (be it hardcore, skinheads, crust etc) are easily the most elitist of subcultures.



My skinhead friends consider me a skinhead and my hardcore friends consider me to be a hardcore kid. Its whatever.
I try hard not to be one of those "that's poser shit" self-righteous guys, because those people piss me off. I'm actually surprised nobody said anything about it being homophobic/sexist either, this forum's members are some of the most PC people I've heard.

[Rosa Provokateur]

this forum's members are some of the most PC people I've heard.
THANKYOU GOD!!! You have no idea how long I've wanted to hear that:D

[Rosa Provokateur]

My skinhead friends consider me a skinhead and my hardcore friends consider me to be a hardcore kid. Its whatever.
It could just be that skinheads are hardcore. I tried skinhead out but keepin my hair clipped and boots polished wasnt worth it to me; I've seen you guys in the pit and theres absolutely no fuckin around with that:D