As the Markets Crash two options: Ours is Socialism! Theirs is Fascism and War!

[Charles Xavier]

Comrades,

Its ever more important that the Left be ever vigilant to watch for the rise of Fascism and be prepared to beat it where ever it may show itself. Preparations have been made in this direction since 2001 for Capital to unleash itself on the working masses. This whole financial crisis has not just been an unpredictable happening. The massive loss of jobs wasn't just because of mistakes.

This was planned, the whole destruction of manufacturing was planned, with free trade agreements being signed accross the world. Capital has made billions and millions but the crisis which emerges is that Capital's greed is a void which cannot be filled that capital must consume itself for ever greater profits.

A contradiction arises in this, a contradictions where the productive working class in the imperialist countries, the biggest group of consumers has limited means having lost their jobs and the future generations having these jobs abandoned find themselves being unable due to lack of cash, give the capitalist class a revenue stream into their coffers. Thus despite saving on labour cost, their profits once again decline due to the lack of their much relied upon consumers. The Capitalist class is repeatedly subsidizing themselves through the state(once again with taxes from working people). Their unprofitably are subsidized until that mean as well isn't an option having robbed working people of the fruits of their labour.

Then what will the capitalist class do? They for sure won't be voluntarily shouldering the burden. It'll be the working people. We will be asked to sacrifice for their greed and gluttony we will be coerced to join the race to the bottom of our wages and benefits.

I think now is the time that many of you prepare yourselves for the ruling classes attempts to gain ever more concessions from working people. Imperialism has hit a crisis from its own greed. And there are two ways out of this crisis: fascism and war is the only way out for the Capitalist Class its the way the imperialist class must go to maintain its dominance. The other option is socialism and this is our option, the option of working people, and this is a hard fought for option.

It cannot be done by simply discussion about it, but it must be done by building it. Activity is essential. The foundations must be laid for the house of socialism, so lets get to work.

[ckaihatsu]

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LOCAL News :: Protest Activity

Nazi Demo falls flat

Author

* Antifa

Date Created

* 26 Sep 2008

Date Edited

* 26 Sep 2008 09:21:40 AM

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* Current rating: 5


A half dozen members of the American National Socialist Workers Party arriving at St. Xavier University Thursday to protest a talk by Eli Weisel were met by a crowd of anti-fascists, anarchists and students.

About forty anti-nazi protesters chanted and shouted across an intersection at the nazis, who were kept away from the campus-side of the street.

As attendees of Weisel's speech dispersed and folks made their way home, the nazis could be seen with police fumbling over their van's mysterious flat tire.

[Charles Xavier]

The Nazi gangs are hardly that relevant to fascism in general, they of course will be wielded when the time comes. But they are hardly the Fascists we need to worry about, the fascists we need to worry about is the ones that are pulling the strings of the bourgeoisie parties. They are enfranchised, they are owners of industries, they have positions in the military and in the government, those are the fascists we must watch out for.

[Organic Revolution]

It is a real potentiality that this economic 'crisis' could lead towards a rightward shift in politics, but I dare say it was planned the the extent you say it is.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Regardless of whether it will be planned or not, the ruling class has a tendency to favour fascism in times of crisis. Nazi gangs on the streets are easily confronted, but as Dimitrov correctly points out, they are an outlying threat compared to the fascist sympathisers in power. To paraphrase Lenin, what is to be done?

[Psy]

Regardless of whether it will be planned or not, the ruling class has a tendency to favour fascism in times of crisis. Nazi gangs on the streets are easily confronted, but as Dimitrov correctly points out, they are an outlying threat compared to the fascist sympathisers in power. To paraphrase Lenin, what is to be done?

Really they are not the immediate threat, the immediate threat is the military, every ruling class has turned to their army when they backs are against the wall, historically ruling classes only turn to fascist thugs only after the army fails to crush public dissent.

[Comrada J]

Some cultures and societies are turning to the left and socialism but there seems to be plenty more taking a shift to the right. As the global capitalist crisis spreads people in general will lose faith in a global economy and revert back to primary loyalties - this will fuel militarism, nationalism, racism etc. Its funny how a government will up military spending during financial turmoil, as if the military can fix a economic problem(well ok, they fix the problem of workers strikes and invade other countries to acquire resources). Anyway its important the we get our act together and make sure we don't repeat the same mistakes we have in the past.

[Red_Dialectics]

I think that a lot more working class ears will be open to socialism now that the "free market" is visibly being injected with hundreds of billions of taxpayer's money, and even that is failing to keep it afloat. Now is the time to organize, fast.

[Robespierre2.0]

Fascism? Mussolini-style single-party fascism?
I'm sorry, I just don't see that happening. Not only have Americans been indoctrinated with individualism from birth, fascism has perhaps the most stigma attached to it of any ideology these days. It would be political suicide to begin overtly espousing fascist ideology.

That's about fascism as per the strict philosophical definition.
Taking a more economic and political view of the matter, it could be argued that the United States have already been fascist. Perhaps we're not as economically fascist as we were during the New Deal, but we still have the nationalism, class collaboration (the 'we're all Americans' BS), the expansionism (not in the form of overt annexations any more), and the prudish traditionalism.

Anyways, even if the government goes back to New Deal 'two-party' fascism, perhaps as they take more measures to lessen the economic burden on the people, I find it hard to believe that they'd be able to rile people up enough to go to war again. The Iraq War, whatever its' outcome, has been devastating enough.

Overall, I'm not too optimistic about the prospects for socialism in the U.S. I'm more interested in how this worldwide financial crisis will affect other countries- particularly those with strong communist movements, and those who maintain an economic split between public and private ownership.

[Charles Xavier]

Fascism? Mussolini-style single-party fascism?
I'm sorry, I just don't see that happening. Not only have Americans been indoctrinated with individualism from birth, fascism has perhaps the most stigma attached to it of any ideology these days. It would be political suicide to begin overtly espousing fascist ideology.

That's about fascism as per the strict philosophical definition.
Taking a more economic and political view of the matter, it could be argued that the United States have already been fascist. Perhaps we're not as economically fascist as we were during the New Deal, but we still have the nationalism, class collaboration (the 'we're all Americans' BS), the expansionism (not in the form of overt annexations any more), and the prudish traditionalism.

Anyways, even if the government goes back to New Deal 'two-party' fascism, perhaps as they take more measures to lessen the economic burden on the people, I find it hard to believe that they'd be able to rile people up enough to go to war again. The Iraq War, whatever its' outcome, has been devastating enough.

Overall, I'm not too optimistic about the prospects for socialism in the U.S. I'm more interested in how this worldwide financial crisis will affect other countries- particularly those with strong communist movements, and those who maintain an economic split between public and private ownership.

I think you fail to understand what fascism is, Fascism is the unbridled power of capital to be used against working people in pursuit of profits. In order to maintain their dominance at the top of the world, US Imperialists and other imperialists will not sit on their hands, their forces are mobilizing. We must do the same.

There is already attempts for another war, they have been preparing for war with Russia for 20 years now, economicly and militarily, same with China. Things are going to get worse, so we must be prepared.

[Psy]

I think you fail to understand what fascism is, Fascism is the unbridled power of capital to be used against working people in pursuit of profits. In order to maintain their dominance at the top of the world, US Imperialists and other imperialists will not sit on their hands, their forces are mobilizing. We must do the same.

There is already attempts for another war, they have been preparing for war with Russia for 20 years now, economicly and militarily, same with China. Things are going to get worse, so we must be prepared.
Odds are they are the back burner as the military bureaucracy gears up for being deployed domestically, the Russian army has been training to deal with factory occupations even before the recent crisis in the capitalist markets.

It is clear this time around when we start occupying means of production we won't just be facing the police but also the fucking army trying to storm occupied factories to prevent what happened in Benos Aries in 2002 and Paris 1968 from even gaining momentum. That means odds are there won't be new wars as they will save their man power to put down worker uprisings as brutally and quickly as they can. Hell more wars would be better as if the troops are dying overseas it means there is less of them occupy their home land.

[Charles Xavier]

Odds are they are the back burner as the military bureaucracy gears up for being deployed domestically, the Russian army has been training to deal with factory occupations even before the recent crisis in the capitalist markets.

It is clear this time around when we start occupying means of production we won't just be facing the police but also the fucking army trying to storm occupied factories to prevent what happened in Benos Aries in 2002 and Paris 1968 from even gaining momentum. That means odds are there won't be new wars as they will save their man power to put down worker uprisings as brutally and quickly as they can. Hell more wars would be better as if the troops are dying overseas it means there is less of them to put occupy their home land.

Those soldiers over seas are not the capitalist class though as much as they may be used for them. They each have mothers and their mothers are from the working class. The soldiers overseas are not our enemies. If the ruling class is divided so will the army be.

[Psy]

Those soldiers over seas are not the capitalist class though as much as they may be used for them. They each have mothers and their mothers are from the working class. The soldiers overseas are not our enemies. If the ruling class is divided so will the army be.

Like the police they are a enemy till they defect.