ok so i'm back

[534634634265]

alright guise,
i've been gone for a while but it was a good absence. here is a rambling report of my experiences...

while i was without the internet i got active. i started doing parkour seriously, and got into good shape. i looked for people who shared my opinions, or were smart enough to question them intelligently.
i moved to a city, and looked for things i could do there. i wasn't interested in clubbing or bar-hopping. partying just seemed dull. i wanted to DO something. i could do parkour, but i had no peers to train with. i could volunteer for the obama campaign, but i couldn't find any real leftist organizations around. i decided to find a good music scene. i stumbled onto the punk rock scene after show-hopping fruitlessly for a few months. while at the first serious punk show i found i discovered a group people i felt free around. people who did what they wanted because they wanted to do it.
i found an anarchist collective. i thought i had met anarchists before, but the people i had met used anarchism and punk rock ideology to excuse non-stop partying and idiocy. these people were different. we gathered food from grocery store dumpsters and egged car dealerships with the rotten eggs we found. we wandered the streets making fun of all the things i had always found strange but never before questioned. i was explained concepts i had never before thought of, simply because they shook the foundation of the belief structure i had always held on to.
as i write this i find myself questioning what this means for me. what does this mean for what my goals are, for what ive done up till now? these thoughts and others leave me feeling a strange mix of excitement and fear. i was given a copy of "Expect Resistance". i feel like this could be the beginning of a new way of life, or the biggest mistake i've ever made.

[IcarusAngel]

Some punk collectives are obviously better than others, this is true. You found a good one that you fit into, that's obviously a good thing. It's important to be a part of something that is outside of the net.

And yes, some punks think that punk is just about acting like an idiot/GG allin all the time. But that's what makes it brilliant, as Youth Brigade said: "Some kids are smart, and some kids are dumb/But I don't pass judgment/they're just having fun..." etc.

As for hooliganism, I don't see how that's helpful but it's certainly not the worst of crimes and is blown way out of proportion in the media whenever it occurs. As long as you're learning new theories and learning about anarchism and new ideas, I say keep doing what you're doing.

[danyboy27]

glad to have you back man!
Seriously, i dont support the thing so far, but if it make you feel good i cant help it, so go on..glad to have you back.

[Dean]

Some punk collectives are obviously better than others, this is true. You found a good one that you fit into, that's obviously a good thing. It's important to be a part of something that is outside of the net.

And yes, some punks think that punk is just about acting like an idiot/GG allin all the time. But that's what makes it brilliant, as Youth Brigade said: "Some kids are smart, and some kids are dumb/But I don't pass judgment/they're just having fun..." etc.

As for hooliganism, I don't see how that's helpful but it's certainly not the worst of crimes and is blown way out of proportion in the media whenever it occurs. As long as you're learning new theories and learning about anarchism and new ideas, I say keep doing what you're doing.

I need one particle of clothing from each person.

[Bud Struggle]

alright guise,
i've been gone for a while but it was a good absence. here is a rambling report of my experiences...

while i was without the internet i got active. i started doing parkour seriously, and got into good shape. i looked for people who shared my opinions, or were smart enough to question them intelligently.
i moved to a city, and looked for things i could do there. i wasn't interested in clubbing or bar-hopping. partying just seemed dull. i wanted to DO something. i could do parkour, but i had no peers to train with. i could volunteer for the obama campaign, but i couldn't find any real leftist organizations around. i decided to find a good music scene. i stumbled onto the punk rock scene after show-hopping fruitlessly for a few months. while at the first serious punk show i found i discovered a group people i felt free around. people who did what they wanted because they wanted to do it.
i found an anarchist collective. i thought i had met anarchists before, but the people i had met used anarchism and punk rock ideology to excuse non-stop partying and idiocy. these people were different. we gathered food from grocery store dumpsters and egged car dealerships with the rotten eggs we found. we wandered the streets making fun of all the things i had always found strange but never before questioned. i was explained concepts i had never before thought of, simply because they shook the foundation of the belief structure i had always held on to.
as i write this i find myself questioning what this means for me. what does this mean for what my goals are, for what ive done up till now? these thoughts and others leave me feeling a strange mix of excitement and fear. i was given a copy of "Expect Resistance". i feel like this could be the beginning of a new way of life, or the biggest mistake i've ever made.

YOU sound like the real thing. Camus ish. Good for you. I can't say it better than this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWXaSwUGbqs&feature=related

[534634634265]

i feel like im learning lots of good things with them. they do a few things im not so cool with yet.
1. eating food out of trashcans. thats gonna make people sick. i think dumpster waste is different, especially if its stuff you can cook up.
2. theft from major stores, i support the active resistance of capitalism, but theft leads to jail, and then you aren't a very useful revolutionary are you?

[danyboy27]

my father is a dumpster diver himself and he really find treasure inside, there is money to do with that for sure.
has for eating in trashcan, that suck ass.

dont steal man,dont steal.

[Raúl Duke]

Welcome back..I suppose. :)

Although they kind of sound like lifestylists to me I suppose...

[Mindtoaster]

i feel like im learning lots of good things with them. they do a few things im not so cool with yet.
1. eating food out of trashcans. thats gonna make people sick. i think dumpster waste is different, especially if its stuff you can cook up.


I have never, ever understood this and it strikes me as totally unnecessary and unsanitary lifestylism. Its not like we want to eat out of dumpsters during communism.

As for the second bullet, nothing wrong with a bit of shoplifting, especially if you're struggling with money

[JimmyJazz]

I am surprised capitalism is still around after you did all that stuff, crackedlogic.

[Dust Bunnies]

Winner!

[534634634265]

I am surprised capitalism is still around after you did all that stuff, crackedlogic.
oh man, your a funny guy aren't you.
i totally expected capitalism to fall over the weekend, simply because i chose to live my life a little differently. god, your a fucking toolbag.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:


i may not have taken down "the machine", but i did provide food for a lot of hungry people. i enjoyed everything i did, which may not seem like a big deal to you, but it means a great deal to me.

[Ken]

i feel like im learning lots of good things with them. they do a few things im not so cool with yet.
1. eating food out of trashcans. thats gonna make people sick. i think dumpster waste is different, especially if its stuff you can cook up.
2. theft from major stores, i support the active resistance of capitalism, but theft leads to jail, and then you aren't a very useful revolutionary are you?

ive never been sick from eating out of dumpsters. wait... do you mean specifically trashcans make you sick? i dont take things from the ones on the side of the road with ashtrays, thats grotty. but lots of goodies can be found in dumpsters as im sure you now know :)

i dont ever steal anything if there is a chance of getting caught. stealing is more ethical than buying, though. remember, buying is supporting third world exploitation. stealing(from big business) is liberation! its also very fun :)

[Black Dagger]

I have never, ever understood this and it strikes me as totally unnecessary and unsanitary lifestylism. Its not like we want to eat out of dumpsters during communism.


TBH dumpsterd food (as oppose to food that might be found in a dumpster ;) is rarely 'unsanitary'. I mean obviously no one should be eating dumpstered meat or dairy products (although dairy can be ok if you know they've just been taken out of the fridge), but most people who dumpster dive know all that - and know what to look for in terms of food quality, safety etc. There's nothing wrong with dumpstered food - i mean the point of dumpstering is that good food is simply being thrown out - so if people are still throwing out (wasting) good food in a communist society then dumpstering will continue.

[apathy maybe]

Sounds like you have found a group of people you can have fun with, and potentially feel really good about with.

Ignore the folks saying "lifestylist", there isn't anything wrong with dumpster diving, or having fun. (Of course, if you can do other stuff as well, that would be even better.)

[Bilan]

Good to hear you're enjoying where you're at.

[Raúl Duke]

i did provide food for a lot of hungry people. i enjoyed everything i did, which may not seem like a big deal to you, but it means a great deal to me.

Sounds good then, as long as you are enjoying yourself and have no illusions that such actions will smash capitalism...nothing wrong with getting free stuff that's been thrown away.

[Killfacer]

Dumpstered food, as in food from a bin? Jesus christ.

Welcome back anyway, glad to hear that you have enjoyed yourself whilst you have been gone (even if it did involve watching people eat food from bins) and i hope you start posting again.

[Ken]

Although they kind of sound like lifestylists to me I suppose...

what is a lifestylist?

[BurnTheOliveTree]

what is a lifestylist?


Someone who tries to resist "the system" through his or her personal lifestyle choices, as opposed to direct and organised action. For example, they would be more likely to start a boycott of Nike than try to organise in a union.

-Alex

[Bud Struggle]

Someone who tries to resist "the system" through his or her personal lifestyle choices, as opposed to direct and organised action. For example, they would be more likely to start a boycott of Nike than try to organise in a union.

-Alex

This: I resist the system. I work for no man, I start my own business and make my own way in life.

How's that? :)

[BurnTheOliveTree]

Starting a business is reinforcing the system, Tom, because you are taking the means of production into private ownership and thereby exploiting the fruits of the labour of your workers.

You know that, don't you?

-Alex

[Bud Struggle]

Starting a business is reinforcing the system, Tom, because you are taking the means of production into private ownership and thereby exploiting the fruits of the labour of your workers.

You know that, don't you?

-AlexKind of. But you have to have done that to understand. Starting a busines is a very "fuck you"--I'm going out on my own move. Yea, you are using the system--but you are taking the SYSTEM under your control.

Maybe something that should be fully understood by Communists.

[BurnTheOliveTree]

Kind of. But you have to have done that to understand. Starting a busines is a very "fuck you"--I'm going out on my own move. Yea, you are using the system--but you are taking the SYSTEM under your control.

Maybe something that should be fully understood by Communists.


But you aren't rejecting the system, you're just building more of it. You cannot pretend that being succesful within the system constiutes a "fuck you" to it; it's quite the opposite, it's a full-on embrace. Becoming one of the exploiters does not make you a maverick or a rebel, it makes you like every other fucker that screws us over.

-Alex

[Bud Struggle]

But you aren't rejecting the system, you're just building more of it. You cannot pretend that being succesful within the system constiutes a "fuck you" to it; it's quite the opposite, it's a full-on embrace. Becoming one of the exploiters does not make you a maverick or a rebel, it makes you like every other fucker that screws us over.

-Alex

Yea, you're right.

It's hard to argue--ever since I've seen "your" perspective of things. But comming from closed society of Capitalism--it's GIANT move. It's a "fuck you" to being a slave--and the problem is here--you have no other place to go, than to be a master.

There is no middle ground in Capitalism. But here's the good part--any slave can become a master. Anyone.

[Nusocialist]

while i was without the internet i got active. i started doing parkour seriously,
Man lucky you. I've always wanted to try that out.



i feel like im learning lots of good things with them. they do a few things im not so cool with yet.
1. eating food out of trashcans. thats gonna make people sick. i think dumpster waste is different, especially if its stuff you can cook up.

I've always wondered about this it seems very unhealthy. Why not just find some wasteland and grow your own food, or even get enough people and rent or buy some cheap land or allotment and do it?

[Dust Bunnies]

A real "fuck you" would to make a business where everyone ran it, not just you.

[Plagueround]

I've always wondered about this it seems very unhealthy. Why not just find some wasteland and grow your own food, or even get enough people and rent or buy some cheap land or allotment and do it?

The trick is to learn which places are tossing out perfectly good food and when they do it...you don't dig deep down through bags of assorted trash looking for a half eaten burger or anything like that. ;)

Bakeries and Supermarkets toss out lots of things that are 100% fit for human consumption, they've just passed a sell by date set by the owners. I've never had the opportunity to do it myself (although I learned some of the tricks and have eaten some of the food during my brief one week stint as a homeless person), but my good friend in Seattle does this all the time.

She told me a few months back of a high school teacher in the area who lived on nothing but dumpstered food for over 2 years to demonstrate how much people waste, and he never got sick the entire time.

[Black Dagger]

Dumpstered food, as in food from a bin? Jesus christ.

Obviously you've never been dumpstering? A large proportion of stuff that gets thrown away is still in packages, even fruit and veges.

[Nusocialist]

The trick is to learn which places are tossing out perfectly good food and when they do it...you don't dig deep down through bags of assorted trash looking for a half eaten burger or anything like that. ;)

Bakeries and Supermarkets toss out lots of things that are 100% fit for human consumption, they've just passed a sell by date set by the owners. I've never had the opportunity to do it myself (although I learned some of the tricks and have eaten some of the food during my brief one week stint as a homeless person), but my good friend in Seattle does this all the time.

She told me a few months back of a high school teacher in the area who lived on nothing but dumpstered food for over 2 years to demonstrate how much people waste, and he never got sick the entire time.I can understand all that but I still think it would be better to grow and make your own food. It is natural, organic, fresh and completely outside the system.

[bcbm]

I can understand all that but I still think it would be better to grow and make your own food. It is natural, organic, fresh and completely outside the system.

You don't have to buy the seeds, or the land to grow them on, or fertilizer, fencing, water, etc?

[Plagueround]

I can understand all that but I still think it would be better to grow and make your own food. It is natural, organic, fresh and completely outside the system.

While I'm no gardening expert, I don't know if someone living in a city would be able to procure enough fertile land to grow food to feed themselves all year...nor I don't advocate people living entirely off of vegetation, unless you're suggesting one would be able to attempt to raise animals in an urban environment as well. You also have to consider what's in the soil and air where you intend on growing your food. Eating perfectly good dumpstered food provides people with a free and easy means of sustenance without having to become an urban farmer.

But then, I've never been one who though living "outside the system" was a viable solution to very many of the world's ills.

[Ken]

You don't have to buy the seeds, or the land to grow them on, or fertilizer, fencing, water, etc?

how about this...

i steal the seeds from a multinational, save all my pooes, hoard water from the nearest bathroom and live happily ever after in an un(human)inhabited rainforest. lifestylism ftw!



But then, I've never been one who though living "outside the system" was a viable solution to very many of the world's ills.

take a good look at the earth, cant you see it? there will be no utopia. the world is going to hell. sit down, lie back, have a beer or coffee or whatever your thing is, and enjoy the ride. ill be there laughing and cheering while the flames leap up.

[Plagueround]

how about this...

i steal the seeds from a multinational, save all my pooes, hoard water from the nearest bathroom and live happily ever after in an un(human)inhabited rainforest. lifestylism ftw!

That sounds pretty shitty and lonely.


take a good look at the earth, cant you see it? there will be no utopia. the world is going to hell. sit down, lie back, have a beer or coffee or whatever your thing is, and enjoy the ride. ill be there laughing and cheering while the flames leap up.

I see far too much good in the world to believe that. I also don't believe you would be too happy about it, it just suits the antagonistic tone of those too scared to actually attempt doing anything about the world around them.

[apathy maybe]

what is a lifestylist?

"Lifestylist" is a derogatory term used by certain people who think that they are better then other people. It is used towards people who dumpster dive, and otherwise attempt to live their lives in such a manner as to reject capitalism as much as possible.

These people quite often also work in unions (if they have a job), come along to and help organise mass protests etc. But because they eat out of dumpsters, they are considered less then perfect activists by certain other types.

When someone starts throwing around the term "lifestylist" is is best to just ignore whatever they are saying, until they stop. It would probably leave more of your brain cells intact.

[Plagueround]

"Lifestylist" is a derogatory term used by certain people who think that they are better then other people. It is used towards people who dumpster dive, and otherwise attempt to live their lives in such a manner as to reject capitalism as much as possible.

These people quite often also work in unions (if they have a job), come along to and help organise mass protests etc. But because they eat out of dumpsters, they are considered less then perfect activists by certain other types.

When someone starts throwing around the term "lifestylist" is is best to just ignore whatever they are saying, until they stop. It would probably leave more of your brain cells intact.

I've always understood it it to mean people that think they'll save the world by doing things like buying organic and fair trade, being vegan, and driving a prius (not that I have anything against people that do those things) but completely ignore class struggle and have no problems with capitalism so long as they think they can just get it to play nice. I guess it means something different around here. :blushing:

[Sendo]

I've always understood it it to mean people that think they'll save the world by doing things like buying organic and fair trade, being vegan, and driving a prius (not that I have anything against people that do those things) but completely ignore class struggle and have no problems with capitalism so long as they think they can just get it to play nice. I guess it means something different around here. :blushing:

no, you're right. That's the definition I've always known it to to be and in the times here I've used it with your definition it was understood as such.

[BurnTheOliveTree]

Yea, you're right.


Props for the concession. :thumbup1:


But here's the good part--any slave can become a master. Anyone.

Well, I dispute that, naturally. Social mobility is little more than a fantasy for most of the world's working-poor, I think your assertion that "anyone can do it" is idealism to be honest.

Supposing it's true, though, you must accept that only a limited proportion of the population can become a "masters" and that this proportion must be in a minority to the "slaves". If that were not so, capitalism would not be working. So what we're left with is the resolution that capitalism, as a system, makes most people slaves.

So it doesn't even really matter if any given individual can join the ranks of the bourgeoisie, the important fact is that by definition, the vast majority of people cannot.

-Alex

[Ken]

That sounds pretty shitty and lonely.


because the West is Awesome! right!

and what makes you think i would go alone?

or that i would be lonely?



I see far too much good in the world to believe that. I also don't believe you would be too happy about it, it just suits the antagonistic tone of those too scared to actually attempt doing anything about the world around them.

what makes you think capitalism can be defeated? every anti-capitalist or non-capitalist ideological group combined have nothing to fight capitalism with but disillusioned workers and high school kids. or the middle class take-your-pick nationalist, anarchist, communist or hideous chimera of subgroup of subgroup inbetween. they all mean nothing. they are laughing at you because they know you are harmless. or if the left gains any power and an uprising is initiated, paramilitary will shoot you all and an even more totalitarian system will ensue.

i saw a friend today i had not seen for a while and it made me happy. this does not mean that tommorrow there will be revolution. maybe acts of good will strengthen your marxist faith, but dont worry, you'll come around sometime. reality takes a while to sink in. when it does, embrace it and cherish the small degree of freedom you still have.

[Dr Mindbender]

what makes you think capitalism can be defeated?
Er because the russian people did defeat it in 1917?


every anti-capitalist or non-capitalist ideological group combined have nothing to fight capitalism with but disillusioned workers .

what makes you think we need any more than that?

[Killfacer]

Obviously you've never been dumpstering? A large proportion of stuff that gets thrown away is still in packages, even fruit and veges.

Oddly, i have never rummaged through bins. It seems a bit, you know, weird.

[Dr Mindbender]

Oddly, i have never rummaged through bins. It seems a bit, you know, weird.

contrary to popular ridicule the bin contents are entirely clean since none of the supermarkets dispose of rotten or partially eaten foods.

[534634634265]

the food we got was mainly fruits and vegetables.
we washed them in an extremely, EXTREMELY light bleach solution and lots of hot water.
we cooked what we could use, shared what we couldn't.
it was a good thing for us, and it was a good action in a political sense.
the people we shared the food with had no illusions as to where it came from.
also, they understood that we were providing them food from a source OUTSIDE of the system that reinforced their poverty, and thus made them unable to get food to begin with.


anarchism- if your so caught up in your "isms"- to me IS a lifestyle. its living in active opposition to the dominant social paradigm(oooh big words).
its knowing that you yourself are free, and are able to sustain yourself and live prosperously without taking part in a system that anyone on this site should consider to be the source of "the problem".
anarchism is a realization that there will be no "revolution", because the majority is happy, or at least content, with the current social structure. you can't tell people that they are bad for being consumers, or that they are wasting their lives in pursuit of materials, or that acquiring those materials is at the cost of others lives and thus wrong. (you could tell them that, but good luck:rolleyes:)

maybe im wrong, maybe im batshit crazy. but i honestly don't care at this point. i don't think im an "anarchist", i think im doing what i want to do in a world that says doing what you want to is wrong and possibly dangerous.

i realized that being active in this sense, doing what i think NEEDS to be done, will be infinitely more rewarding than having some idiotic E-PEEN battle over what some term means or what some ideology represents with people who aren't interested in more than just that debate. (thats my assessment of most of you, for the slow crowd)

[Nusocialist]

You don't have to buy the seeds, or the land to grow them on, or fertilizer, fencing, water, etc?

Well you'd need land but the rest depends on how you organise and how you decide to obtain this stuff.

[Plagueround]

(thats my assessment of most of you, for the slow crowd)

That would make you quite wrong. If anything, do you think posting descriptions of every real life action we take on a public forum is the most intelligent way to go about things? (That means you don't know about the wide number of activities people are doing outside of this site and I do, for the slow person).

[Nusocialist]

While I'm no gardening expert, I don't know if someone living in a city would be able to procure enough fertile land to grow food to feed themselves all year...nor I don't advocate people living entirely off of vegetation, unless you're suggesting one would be able to attempt to raise animals in an urban environment as well. You also have to consider what's in the soil and air where you intend on growing your food. Eating perfectly good dumpstered food provides people with a free and easy means of sustenance without having to become an urban farmer. But it means you have to eat dumpstered food. Regular food from supermarkets and the like seems bad enough. It works best of course in rural settings in a land trust or commune or such. The best urban way is to be partly self-sufficient. You could even do both this and dumpstering.



But then, I've never been one who though living "outside the system" was a viable solution to very many of the world's ills.It isn't a viable solution neither is living in the system. That is not what matters when talking about solutions, if you are trying to find a solution and organising for it then it doesn't matter whether you live mostly within or without the system.

[freakazoid]

Obviously you've never been dumpstering? A large proportion of stuff that gets thrown away is still in packages, even fruit and veges.Back in the deli at the grocery store that I work at, at the end of the day they have to throw all of the unused food out. And it is a LOT of food, whole trashbarrels of chicken gets tossed out. It is disgusting to see it all get wasted. You could feed families with all of it. They are not even allowed to mark it down in price, just into the trash it goes. The sad thing is is that there is no way to liberate it from the back because it goes into a trash compactor that is attached to the side of the building.


While I'm no gardening expert, I don't know if someone living in a city would be able to procure enough fertile land to grow food to feed themselves all year...nor I don't advocate people living entirely off of vegetation, unless you're suggesting one would be able to attempt to raise animals in an urban environment as well. You also have to consider what's in the soil and air where you intend on growing your food. Eating perfectly good dumpstered food provides people with a free and easy means of sustenance without having to become an urban farmer.

I remember reading about a guy who lives up in Kansas City who lives exclusively by growing his own food. He will take his food to the farmers market and use what money he makes to pay for the taxes on his house. Other than that he doesn't have a job.

[534634634265]

awww plagueground,
did i offend you?:rolleyes: i said most, not all. i know some of you are active and that makes me feel better about coming here and posting to begin with. please pull in those long toes of yours, lest i step on them again. i don't think you should share your every activity on here, so i refrain from doing so as well. i DID come and share some parts of my recent life that have been incredibly powerful moments to me. sorry if that also steps on your toes.

[Killfacer]

maybe im wrong, maybe im batshit crazy. but i honestly don't care at this point. i don't think im an "anarchist", i think im doing what i want to do in a world that says doing what you want to is wrong and possibly dangerous.


The only thing dangerous your doing is eating bleach and food from bins. Also, out of interest where do you get the rest of your food (assuming you don't have a job).

[RedAnarchist]

The only thing dangerous your doing is eating bleach and food from bins. Also, out of interest where do you get the rest of your food (assuming you don't have a job).

Highly diluted bleach won't kill you, and the food will still be packaged.

[534634634265]

im trying to find people to start a sort of collective housing project.
basically, get a house, grow a garden, gather rainwater, do things that will allow me to develop a support network in my area.
i've worked a forge before, so i may try and set one up to do basic metalwork.
i also can weld, so maybe score an old oxy rig or a small MIG/TIG unit.
the possibilities are nigh endless.:thumbup1:

my (distant, far distant) goal is to have a sort of crackhead army i can semi-reliably mobilise should any serious shit go down in my locale. loads of bums who can add a good headcount to any protests or demonstrations.
plus the cops don't come here, so it would good if the crackheads would police themselves to some extent.:D:laugh::D

[pusher robot]

since none of the supermarkets dispose of rotten or partially eaten foods.


Uhhh...okay...I'm curious what exactly you think they do with rotten or partially eaten foods. Flush them down the toilet? Let them sit around in stinking heaps? Give them away as free samples?

[Dr Mindbender]

Uhhh...okay...I'm curious what exactly you think they do with rotten or partially eaten foods. Flush them down the toilet? Let them sit around in stinking heaps? Give them away as free samples?
er no, if the foods were partially eaten they'd already have been bought.

I'm fairly certain its the responsibility of the manufacturers and distributors to make sure the supermarkets recieve the goods fresh. As a rule of thumb, they throw the goods away before they get a chance to turn rotten.

[Bud Struggle]

maybe im wrong, maybe im batshit crazy. but i honestly don't care at this point. i don't think im an "anarchist", i think im doing what i want to do in a world that says doing what you want to is wrong and possibly dangerous.

I think you're quite a remarkable person.

[Plagueround]

awww plagueground,
did i offend you?:rolleyes: i said most, not all. i know some of you are active and that makes me feel better about coming here and posting to begin with. please pull in those long toes of yours, lest i step on them again. i don't think you should share your every activity on here, so i refrain from doing so as well. i DID come and share some parts of my recent life that have been incredibly powerful moments to me. sorry if that also steps on your toes.

My point was that you would be wrong in saying most. Also, My toes are freakishly long. :(

[Plagueround]

I think you're quite a remarkable person.

I think some of the things he wants to do are commendable, some of them are confused, and others I hope he's joking (the army of crackheads idea would be pretty offensive if it wasn't a joke).

[534634634265]

(the army of crackheads idea would be pretty offensive if it wasn't a joke).

it is and it isnt.
i live near a lot of crack dens. these people are drug addicted yes, but also completely marginalized and disenfranchised.
the food we give them may be the only food they get. the water we provide for them is the cleanest available, even when they have access to city water.
i don't see humor in their life, i see a lot of strife and sadness.

[Rosa Provokateur]

i feel like im learning lots of good things with them. they do a few things im not so cool with yet.
1. eating food out of trashcans. thats gonna make people sick. i think dumpster waste is different, especially if its stuff you can cook up.
2. theft from major stores, i support the active resistance of capitalism, but theft leads to jail, and then you aren't a very useful revolutionary are you?
Eating freegan style isnt bad if you know how to do it right, keep it up and you'll be able to save yourself a good chunk of change.

As for shop-lifting, its weak; every time someone shop-lifts it comes out of the employees paycheck and you end up hurting the people you're trying to help. A better move would be putting pamphlets in the jackets and coats at department stores.

[Rosa Provokateur]

it is and it isnt.
i live near a lot of crack dens. these people are drug addicted yes, but also completely marginalized and disenfranchised.
the food we give them may be the only food they get. the water we provide for them is the cleanest available, even when they have access to city water.
i don't see humor in their life, i see a lot of strife and sadness.
You're a good man and I want to do what you're doing. Keep helping them and don't let any force on earth stop you. You're doing God's work: comforting the disturbed and disturbing the comfortable.

[Rosa Provokateur]

Yea, you're right.

It's hard to argue--ever since I've seen "your" perspective of things. But comming from closed society of Capitalism--it's GIANT move. It's a "fuck you" to being a slave--and the problem is here--you have no other place to go, than to be a master.

There is no middle ground in Capitalism. But here's the good part--any slave can become a master. Anyone.
Go for it, for all we know you'll treat your employees well. So long as you give it all away before you die:D

[Plagueround]

Go for it, for all we know you'll treat your employees well. So long as you give it all away before you die:D

Ah yes, the good old "repent at the last moment" bit. :rolleyes:

[Rosa Provokateur]

Ah yes, the good old "repent at the last moment" bit. :rolleyes:
I dont like the economic system any more then you do but I think that it's possible for the rich to make up for lost time through philanthropy. It beats them leavin it all to their kids.