British Government to begin Spying Program on ALL Citizens

[Mindtoaster]

Ministers are considering spending up to £12 billion on a database to monitor and store the internet browsing habits, e-mail and telephone records of everyone in Britain.
GCHQ, the government’s eavesdropping centre, has already been given up to £1 billion to finance the first stage of the project.
Hundreds of clandestine probes will be installed to monitor customers live on two of the country’s biggest internet and mobile phone providers - thought to be BT and Vodafone. BT has nearly 5m internet customers.
Ministers are braced for a backlash similar to the one caused by their ID cards programme. Dominic Grieve, the shadow home secretary, said: “Any suggestion of the government using existing powers to intercept communications data without public discussion is going to sound extremely sinister.”

MI5 currently conducts limited e-mail and website intercepts which are approved under specific warrants by the home secretary.
Further details of the new plan will be unveiled next month in the Queen’s speech.
The Home Office stressed no formal decision had been taken but sources said officials had made clear that ministers had agreed “in principle” to the programme.
Officials claim live monitoring is necessary to fight terrorism and crime. However, critics question whether such a vast system can be kept secure. A total of 57 billion text messages were sent in the UK last year - 1,800 every second.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4882600.ece

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Why?

[Mindtoaster]

Why?

I'd like to know that myself

[Bilan]

What the fuck? That's really fucked up.

[LeftWingLucie]

and they hope to gain... an understanding of their people? WTF.

[Magdalen]

This is Orwellian, for want of a better word. Big Brown is watching you...

[Dóchas]

this is jst another way of monitoring/controlling the people...why is there nothing private anymore?

[Red October]

Wow, that seems almost too obvious to believe. You'd think the government would try to disguise something like this or at least word it differently.

[Mindtoaster]

Wow, that seems almost too obvious to believe. You'd think the government would try to disguise something like this or at least word it differently.

And they publish an article about it in the UK Times no less...

I'm not normally one to jump on the "Fascism!" train but... This is extremely Orwellian.

[cyu]

If the regime's agents should have access to everyone's browsing habits, e-mail and telephone records, then everyone should have access to the ministers' browsing habits, e-mail and telephone records.

Gotta fight crime where it really counts - in high levels of the government.

[ashaman1324]

If the regime's agents should have access to everyone's browsing habits, e-mail and telephone records, then everyone should have access to the ministers' browsing habits, e-mail and telephone records.

Gotta fight crime where it really counts - in high levels of the government.
i agree.
of course this wont be allowed because... a terrorist might look in on your online porn addiction!:rolleyes:

[Die Neue Zeit]

Why are so many Trotskyists still not acknowledging the reality of social fascism in the UK? :(

[cyu]

of course this wont be allowed because... a terrorist might look in on your online porn addiction!

Damn those terrorists! :D

[rednordman]

Its just one dam thing after another isnt it. First there's employment blacklists for antaganistic employees, and now this. If this article is actually telling the total truth (which i some what doubt) than the government must be well paranoid.

[communard resolution]

Why are so many Trotskyists still not acknowledging the reality of social fascism in the UK? :(

Jacob, I remember you pointed me to a thread or article on Social Fascism a few weeks back. Could you give me that link again? Thanks.

As for the government plans: this is outrageous. Why is it that people are so apathetic that the government can get away with anything these days? Where's the uproar?

[Die Neue Zeit]

http://www.inclusivedemocracy.org/journal/newsletter/vol2_no4_socialfascism.htm

[The above article is NOT written from a left-Stalinist POV.]

http://www.revleft.com/vb/redefining-fascism-national-t86851/index.html

[spice756]

I'm not surprise.They have cameras every where on every block and there are check points and lots of cops every where asking for ID and where you are going and what you doing.

They have more cameras than any place in world.The UK fascism is worse than the US.



Ministers are considering spending up to £12 billion on a database to monitor and store the internet browsing habits, e-mail and telephone records of everyone in Britain.



No warrant needed?

[bcbm]

And people say the US is bad... fuckin' hell.

[Plagueround]

I sent this to a friend today, but removed references that might give away what country it was talking about, then asked him to guess. After he predictably named all the "Communist" countries and a few dictatorships he knows of, I revealed to him it was the UK...he was rather shocked. It's amazing how people's perception of a country is based so much on how they get along with the US.

[Comrade B]

I never understand these phone tapping's for "terrorism prevention"
Who the fuck is actually going to outright give away a plan over the fucking phone?

[spartan]

It's funny as well because the Times is the only paper I have seen it in.

I haven't even seen it being reported on TV!

It looks like countries like Britain are bracing themselves for some serious shit by there people over the looming crisis caused by the bankers, as why else would they be introducing such Orwellian measures?

[Prisoner#69]

This is unfortunate but not all together a big deal, either. It just looks like the people of the UK will need to embrace encryption based technologies to thwart government intrusion. :thumbup1:

[spice756]

I never understand these phone tapping's for "terrorism prevention"
Who the fuck is actually going to outright give away a plan over the fucking phone?

terrorism is a cover letter:eek: We know what these things really are.

What is to say the ban the revolution has part has terrorism ? It is overthrow of the state and is collectiveness.I'm sure this will conflict with the laws in the UK.