Iraqi's celebrate - ...as leftists cringe

[Liberty Lover]

Here it is commie pukes! The news you've all been dreading:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s828535.htm

"No more (President) Saddam Hussein," chanted one group, waving to troops as they passed.

"We love you, we love you."

One young man ran alongside a Marine armoured personnel carrier trying to hand over a heavy belt of ammunition.

An older man made a wild kicking gesture with his foot, saying "Goodbye Saddam."

[kylie]

no shit, they didnt like saddam. the problems caused by our interference will be in the long term, not a day or so after we invade.
look at afganistan, or serbia. our governments are like litle kids, starting everything but never clearing up afterwards.

[Dhul Fiqar]

I'm actually delighted for the people of Iraq, particularly the Kurds! It's great that they don't have to live under that piece of shit Saddam any more.

It's just too bad so many of them had to die in the process, and that so many of them will continue to die in the inevitable chaos that is to follow in the power vacum :(

--- G.

[Liberty Lover]

It's just too bad so many of them had to die in the process, and that so many of them will continue to die in the inevitable chaos that is to follow in the power vacum

But the US won't allow that to happen because it will endanger their "oil interests"...right? ")

(Edited by Liberty Lover at 11:40 am on April 9, 2003)

[Aleksander Nordby]

yes thats rigth

[Anti communist]

Dhul, unfortunately some will die, hundreds, maybe even thousands of civilians might die. That's the price unfortunately. But the result of a thousand civilians dying is freedom and self determination and equal representation for all ethnicites and religions for 45 million Iraqis.

By the way I heard we might have already killed up to 100,000 mlitary or paramilitary of the enemy.

[Show me the Money]

whatever, worm.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Liberty Lover on 11:38 am on April 9, 2003

It's just too bad so many of them had to die in the process, and that so many of them will continue to die in the inevitable chaos that is to follow in the power vacum

But the US won't allow that to happen because it will endanger their "oil interests"...right? ")

(Edited by Liberty Lover at 11:40 am on April 9, 2003)


what about all the other nations they have "liberated", like Nicaragua im sure they are not fond of "liberation".

BTW i see you have a quote from Britain’s biggest ever losser in your signiture. You do realise hes a complete moron..? rather like you.

(Edited by AK47 at 2:08 pm on April 9, 2003)

[Pete]

Libery Lover. You are an idiot.

A pro iraqi fascist wants to see Saddam win
A pro america wants to see America win

In both those cases there will be a democracy, in the latter it will be distanced from the people, in the former it is brutal to those who are different.

A leftist wants to see both eliminated and the people of Iraq take power into their own hands. No US ruling after the fact. More like America gets the hell out of Iraq and allows them to establish what they want and allows the Iraqis to nationalize all of the forien corporations and natural resoucres. It is there land, not yours or americas.

If saddam dies, and America pulls out leftists will cheer. If america pulls out and the people revolt and succeed leftists will cheer.

Take your head out of your ass and try to get at what we are saying. You remind me of the pro war guy who had saddam cheering and it said 'i thank leftists.' If you are that ignorant you realy do need an education.

Hmm. That a bit flame filled. Not purposely, just my reaction to such a stupid statement.

[redstar2000]

1941: Ukrainians Hail Germans as Liberators!

2003: Iraqis Hail Americans as Liberators!

Stay tuned for more after these messages.

:cool:

[The Sniper]

Fucking stopid arseholes, !yeah we killled 100'000 iraq's!!! Who the fuck do you think they where then all battle hardened soldiers coz according to american propergranda only 30'000 of Saddams troops where vets the rest where normal ppl pressed into service, and since most of the Republician Guard is still around taking pot-shots at the "Liberating troops" dont u think that all those Iraq "soliders" that died where just normal ppl who where forced into service. Fair dues ppl die its a war but for fucks sake dont fucking crow about how many iraq "soldiers" died, next thing u will be quoting the massive loss of civilian life, with glee. Fucking moron.

[Xvall]

Let the celebration begin!

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/handshake300.jpg

(Edited by Drake Dracoli at 9:57 pm on April 9, 2003)

[The Sniper]

Lol "An unrivalled success" the wars being called now, "I havent seen anything like ti since the fall of the Berlin Wall". Well erm excuess me if im wrong but in my view all the Americans had to do was to point their tanks in the direcxtion of baghdad and to keep on driving to win the damn war. And sorry but for a city of 5million ppl there dont actually seem to be that many on the streets celabrating, compaired to the celabrations in the Balcans when the Russians rolled in. The thing is also they all seem to be looting, stealing and burning, while crying "hurry for Bush" good to see the traditional American values are already being installed.

[Liberty Lover]

what about all the other nations they have "liberated", like Nicaragua im sure they are not fond of "liberation".

The fact that they are not willing to give it away by electing Daniel Ortega president would suggest that they are fond of their liberty.


BTW i see you have a quote from Britain’s biggest ever losser in your signiture. You do realise hes a complete moron..? rather like you.


It's hard to imagine how Britain could have won the war without a leader like Churchill and for that he will always be remembered and the nation will always be grateful. The people looked to him and his words inspired them. There are few British people of that time who, if asked, could not recite at least some of Churchill's famous words. He showed the people just what they were up against, what they had to do, why they had to do it, and why they would do it. The people responded: every man, woman and child did their part.


(Edited by Liberty Lover at 1:35 am on April 10, 2003)

[Liberty Lover]

CP,

Do you seriously think that if the US withdraws from Iraq the country will settle in to some kind of utopian harmony?

[The Sniper]

Coz not but by being there it does far more harm than good.

[Dirty Commie]

Listen. Saddam is/was (whether or not he lives) a horrible person. I wanted him out of power. But war was not the solution. The minimal resistance? His men are hididng to live to fight another day. The amerikkkan installed puppet government is going to be corrupt, and starve just as many people, sell all the oil to Halliburton (of which cheney is on the board of directors, conspiracy any one?!), and the people will have a horrible state of living.

'Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery, none but our selves can free our minds, Have no fear for atomic energy, cause none of them can stop this time'- Bob Marley

Tell me if this would make a better signature than my present one.

[Tkinter1]

"The amerikkkan installed puppet government is going to be corrupt, and starve just as many people, sell all the oil to Halliburton"

Did you uncover a secret document that outlines this? Or are you just pulling this out of thin air?

[Chiak47]

I am willing to bet he used the "Thin Air" theory...

[Xvall]

Did you uncover a secret document that outlines this? Or are you just pulling this out of thin air.

No. But then again; the war was started without any evidence at all.

[j]

Yeah, OK, I've been gone for a long time. Some of you may not even remember who I am, or joined in the past month or two.

Anyway. The problem that we are facing in Iraq is much more than winning a war. I think that fact has been acknowledged by most in this thread. The anti-war folks were not just against the war part of the Iraq situation. They are more worried about what will happen in the aftermath of the war. Who will govern Iraq, etc.

The US will lead a military occupation of Iraq in the transition period to democracy for the Iraqi people. However, the problem is that the US does not have a good track record for helping establish governments. Look at Zaire or Nicaragua. We seem to think that "the enemy of our enemy is our friend." That is the problem. The US saw the USSR as "the enemy" and aided bin Laden in Afganistan. We don't do this stuff well. The anti-Saddam folks are not American-style Democracy folks. Some of them are just as bad as Saddam. We can not use them to replace the regime just so that we can have another friend (read Israel) in the middle east and this one will be oil rich.

So, just because we see people celebrating the end of Saddam does not mean those same people are wanting and embracing of American values.

j

[Anonymous]

I just got to laugh.

In Iraq, children are giving Marines with rifles, kisses and flowers.

In the USA, protesters are getting rubber bullets and tear gas from riot control.

but but but but but, that is not supposed to happen.

[peaccenicked]

what really happened.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/a...article2838.htm (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2838.htm)

[Tkinter1]

Whoa truth exposed peacce, truth exposed!

[Anonymous]

Ok so there is not a thousand Iraqi mothers holding thier babies up for Marines to kiss.

I am pretty sure there is not a single mother with a Marine dad, holding her baby up to an anti-war protester to kiss.

[Liberty Lover]

Quote: from peaccenicked on 2:25 am on April 11, 2003
what really happened.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/a...article2838.htm (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2838.htm)


LOL LMFAO LOL LOL LOL LMFAO

[RedComrade]

LibertyLencher, MSNBC (an agency which has shown itself to be extremely biased) had a reporter on the ground come on and say the cheering crowds were about 300 people, 300 people out of a city of millions cheer and your somehow vindicated? Come on here is a hypothetical situation: Imagine the Cold War had turned out different and the Soviets had invaded. They're rolling down the streets of D.C and you dont honestly think there'd be at least a thousand "pot-smokin liberal communist traitor scum" who would greet them and burn american flags, spit on monuments, etc. Even in the great "land of liberty" thered be plenty of people and at the least 300 out of a city of millions to cheer the fall of our government. Its a reality of the capitalist world, there will always be a handful of malcontents in each nation who hate their government.

[Pete]

LL

I believe that the American sponsered dictatorship (under teh guise of a 'democracy') will be just as bad if not worse for caring about Iraqi's. I am sure health and education will become privatized services (which are two of the very very few good things about saddam, although the bad greatly outnumberthem) and the capital will flow into greedy American corporations hands. Replacing one form of hell with another is not liberation.

[Xvall]

LOL LMFAO LOL LOL LOL LMFAO

Another prize-winning argument by Liberty Lover. If he will never take anything we post seriously; from now on I am regarding any news article or picture posted by a capitalists as a conspiracy theory.

[peaccenicked]

I have a new definition of liberation, keep your eyes on the dictionaries in the US and UK

1. Freedom
2. Mass looting especially of hospitals and homes.

[truthaddict11]

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 4:56 pm on April 9, 2003
Let the celebration begin!

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/handshake300.jpg

(Edited by Drake Dracoli at 9:57 pm on April 9, 2003)


excellent picture drake,

[peaccenicked]

Who is cringing? LOL
http://64.176.94.191/article1382.htm

(Edited by peaccenicked at 2:13 am on April 12, 2003)

[hazard]

the only celebration I'm waiting for is the endless wave of suicide attacks on american taqrgets, both in iraq and worldwide. WHOOO! what a party! let's celebrate! hoorah! no, wait. I guess those kinda parties suck...if your're a crappie! losers. the war ain't ever gonna be over u moron. look at israel. think there's gonna be any leniancy against the people that the arab world holds repsonsible for the state of israel? oh yeah! it's a celebration! part-EH! now americans are WITHIN STRIKING DISTANCE! c'mon, shake a little boogie! whoo!

(Edited by hazard at 2:23 pm on April 12, 2003)

[Liberty Lover]

(Edited by Liberty Lover at 2:45 am on April 12, 2003)

[hazard]

truth hurt, don't it lover? round one is over and u know what comes next. ain't that right lover? enjoy your victory, if thats what you wanna call it. pyhrric definately comes to mind. now, if U don't mind, I got some serious celebrations to attend to dude. I guess u feel bad that u weren't invited. poor lover.

[Liberty Lover]

You realy do not know what you are talking about do you?

[Blibblob]

Maybe thats why his sn is Hazard. He's a biohazard. But, he is funny, and through his funny posts there is some intelligent debate.

[hazard]

lover:

man are u a drag. why aren't you celebrating, man? this is your thread, lover, isn't it? this is your party lover, so be a host.

make a comment about my claim that iraq is only "celebrating" on the surface, for the camera's, for the time being. can u do that lover? or maybe u agree that death and pointless mayhem only begets furthur death and mayhem when it is conducted for profit. give it a shot lover.

[Blibblob]

Lover, will you be my Lover?

[Liberty Lover]

Maybe thats why his sn is Hazard. He's a biohazard. But, he is funny, and through his funny posts there is some intelligent debate.


His posts are neither funny nor intelligent


make a comment about my claim that iraq is only "celebrating" on the surface, for the camera's, for the time being.

Err...It's unsubstantiated bullshit.

[hazard]

so, u think these people are gonna tolerate american racism, capitalism and abuse? get real. lover, u only love the lies. and bibblob asked a legitimate question for u lover. answer that, lover, answer it!

[peaccenicked]

erm some substantiation
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?t...storyID=2552887 (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=focusIraqNews&storyID=2552887)

[Liberty Lover]

Blibblob,

Sorry, I'm taken...By a WOMAN.

hazard,
There will be no racism or abuse to tolerate. They will enjoy the wealth and prosperity that will come with capitalism.

[Blibblob]

Rasism is right, "goddamn Iraqis". Abuse, the "liberators" stand by and watch as innocent Iraqis are looted by insano others. They make a mess, and don't bother to clean it up. "Nearby, the corpse of an airport worker rolled around in the current of a pool created when a U.S. bomb struck a water mains.

"That's 'bubbling Bob'," said one soldier. "Been there a while. I ain't gonna fish him out. Let the Iraqis do it.""

[hazard]

lover:

no, no racism in america. none. except for the southern states and their penchant for abusing all racial minorities. kkk don't exist, right lover? don't be so naive. if the mode of production is based upon legal slavery, racism is an essential component.

it pissess me off to hear the corporate factions within canada moaning about the governments stance on this war. they're upset because they might miss out on the billion dollar rebuilding of iraq. this is what it all comes down to. the payola. stupid fucking pigs.

[Klondike]

you know, I almost feel sorry for the poor people of Iraq, constantly being policed and oppressed by the US. The only other thing that makes it more sad is that they are accepting it, what more is that they have no idea what is in store for them, ANOTHER SADDAM!!! America put Saddam where he is and I think they should learn from they're mistakes and stop installing dictators (by they I mean America).

[hazard]

klondike:

i hear ya brother. however, depending on what news u watch, these celebrations vary in intensity. the cbc was only showing the riots and looting in iraq. apparently fox was only showing the celebrations. propaganda, plain and simple.

as for those in iraq that do currenlty support america, it will not last long. shortlived celebrations will quickly turn into anti-american revolution. I look at israel and palestine as a model.

[GUTB]

I'm reminded of pictures posted on major US news service web sites (MSNBC, CNN, Fox, etc) that show dead Iraq soldiers, often lying face-down on the ground or strewn about haphazardly. These dead men were thus presented like animals or some kind of alien beings, the lives and deaths of whom are of no immediate concern for the people at home.

Implicit in this is the silent perception of Iraqis as undersmench vermin and savages. But showing pictures of dead American or British soldiers, in every way equal to Iraqs in death, is met with shocked outrage and discust. This is racism.

[hazard]

totally. the american intentional irresponsibility that has lead to widespread looting and riots also furthurs their racist dehumanizing of the iraq people. ever see "glory" where the one union commander allows his black troops to loot and rape, because to him they were "monkey chilkdren"? same effect being employed here.

america should, if they are there to liberate, protect the people they are liberating. this gross negligence only proves that they are there for profit. the oil profit and the profit of rebuilding. not to mention the insurance profit to be made when the american insurance companies descend and play off the fears of furthur looting and property loss.

america is the only modern power that I know of that HAD TO FIGHT to make racial slavery illegal. not racist? more like the most racist.

[j]

Thank you Peaccenicked!!!!!

This is the reality of the war we started. Remember LA 92? This sounds a whole lot fucking worse and will continue for a longer period of time.

Have the Armed Forces trained for this kind of stuff? Anyone know the answer to this question?

More importantly, how does this relate to Iraqi celebration?

j

[Blasphemy]

when israel entered lebanon in 1982 and "liberated" the local shiite population, the israeli soldiers were greeted with cheers and flowers. a few months after their "liberation", the shiites honored the soldiers with stones, and later with missiles. i predict the same with the iraqis. flowers now, the missiles will be coming soon.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from hazard on 2:22 am on April 12, 2003
the only celebration I'm waiting for is the endless wave of suicide attacks on american taqrgets, both in iraq and worldwide. WHOOO! what a party! let's celebrate! hoorah! no, wait. I guess those kinda parties suck...if your're a crappie! losers. the war ain't ever gonna be over u moron. look at israel. think there's gonna be any leniancy against the people that the arab world holds repsonsible for the state of israel? oh yeah! it's a celebration! part-EH! now americans are WITHIN STRIKING DISTANCE! c'mon, shake a little boogie! whoo!

(Edited by hazard at 2:23 pm on April 12, 2003)


I really do hope that was sarcasm...

[Boris Moskovitz]

It is obviously sarcasm!

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Boris Moskovitz on 6:51 pm on April 12, 2003
It is obviously sarcasm!

Im evidently not good at spotting the obvious. However im getting better because you are obviously a rude pillock who likes to be condesending.

(Edited by AK47 at 6:58 pm on April 12, 2003)

[j]

Israel invaded Lebanon to stop PLO attacks from Southern Lebanon against Israel and because of a Palestinian attempt to assasinate the Israeli amabassador to the UK.

It was not to liberate the shiites.

Just a little background--Israel was not completely justified in its invasion. They backed Christian militias in Lebanon that targeted palestinian civilians. Both sides were attacking civilians.

j