Revolution? YES! But until then...Obama for HOPE

[PostAnarchy]

that is what we need.

[bcbm]

Fap, fap, fap, fap.

[Colonello Buendia]

and prize for dumbest comment to make goes too......<drumrolls> POSTANARCHY!!!

[Wakizashi the Bolshevik]

Obama is still a capitalist, may be a progressive one, but he is still reactionary.

[shorelinetrance]

i love those buzzwords

hope and change.

care to be more specific?

[Lenin's Law]

That's the problem with the Obamamanics they don't point to issues or policies that are 'progressive' that we can actually debate and have a discussion about; they just use these (corporate media created) soundbytes such as Hope, Change, Progress and what not with liberal identity-politics always close behind it. Obviously there are many wishful thinkers and inexperienced/naive people who have not studied how "lesser evilism" politics has been a disaster and has done nothing to bring the Democrats closer to the left (in fact the exact opposite has been the result) Obama is not even a populist or "progressive capitalist" whatever that means, he is just another right wing politician whose actual policies, when he actually talks about a concrete specific policy bears little if any difference to the Republicans. In the final analysis, they are all subservient to the Wall Street and corporate paymasters who fund and support them; and whose advisers and handlers are hopelessly intertwined into their campaigns.

[Faux Real]

How long do you think it will be before people will become disillusioned with him and his hollow promises?

He inspires people and he inspires the nation and we got to vote for him.So can fascists.

[GPDP]

Ah, good old pragmatists...

[redarmyfaction38]

I understand what the goal is for many people here (revolution) and I support it...but until then let's be reasonable and responsible and STOP Bush/McCain and support HOPE and CHANGE! for the short term, that means yes Obama.
He inspires people and he inspires the nation and we got to vote for him. It's the only non ultra ultra far left thing to do.

For Hope.
obama wil raise and then dash hope.
how could you wish for decent human beings to be treated with such contempt?

[Yehuda Stern]

I don't get why everyone is getting all excited about the Obamabots skulking around here the last couple of days. There was another one a day or two ago and he went as silently as this one will.

[Cheung Mo]

He'll be Ortega in reverse...

Domestic Policy: Passable
Foreign Policy: Crap

[Red_Dialectics]

Lol @ the fact that the obamabots think they are going to influence anyone but the Opposing Ideologies section on this forum.

[Vendetta]

I don't want an 'until then', that's being lazy and unproductive.

[jake williams]

I don't get why everyone is getting all excited about the Obamabots skulking around here the last couple of days. There was another one a day or two ago and he went as silently as this one will.
I sure as shit hope you're not trying to mention me.

[mykittyhasaboner]

I understand what the goal is for many people here (revolution) and I support it
It doesn't seem like it.



...but until then let's be reasonable and responsible and STOP Bush/McCain and support HOPE and CHANGE! for the short term, that means yes Obama.
He inspires people and he inspires the nation and we got to vote for him. It's the only non ultra ultra far left thing to do.
DCould you be anymore naive? I mean if your going to vote, vote for Nader or La Riva or something, but not the fucking Democratic party.


For Hope.
No, for Obama is for more of the same.

[JimmyJazz]

I'm not voting for Obama because I believe he'll do what he has promised. (Support Israel as our "best ally", bomb inside Pakistan, etc.).

And he won't do what he hasn't promised (universal healthcare, universal childcare, end the war on drugs, create workers' control, repeal free trade agreements).

http://prorev.com/obamareal.htm

[Sam_b]

This post made me die a little inside.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Supporting Obama is not hopeful, pragmatic, or progressive. Even for a capitalist, he is not progressive. He's a conservatives, neoliberal, warmongering, imperialist murderer.

[Yehuda Stern]

I sure as shit hope you're not trying to mention me.

Me too.

[bootleg42]

I understand what the goal is for many people here (revolution) and I support it...but until then let's be reasonable and responsible and STOP Bush/McCain and support HOPE and CHANGE! for the short term, that means yes Obama.
He inspires people and he inspires the nation and we got to vote for him. It's the only non ultra ultra far left thing to do.

For Hope.

Another bot....Why don't you try to list Obama's policies here and talk about them other then bullshit like "hope and change"??????

Hell, why not try to list Obama's policies side by side with U.S. public opinion polls and their findings on those same subjects??? It's because you'd get embarrassed.

[Forward Union]

I understand what the goal is for many people here (revolution) and I support it...but until then let's be reasonable and responsible and STOP Bush/McCain and support HOPE and CHANGE! for the short term, that means yes Obama.
He inspires people and he inspires the nation and we got to vote for him. It's the only non ultra ultra far left thing to do.

For Hope.

Go away Im English.

[Kwisatz Haderach]

Hope! Change! Progress! Meaningless soundbites! Exclamation marks!

[Saorsa]

Choosing between the people who stab you in the front and the people who stab you in the back is no choice at all. At least the Republicans are more open about what they're doing!

[Raúl Duke]

Hope! Change! Progress! Meaningless soundbites! Exclamation marks!

:lol:

Addressing the thread starter (or "obamabots" in general), Give us something concrete, like Obama's foreign policy in detail, instead of rhetoric...

Then we can discuss it and thus this thread may have a little more substance.

[Chapter 24]

Ah, I should have guessed you were some kind of enthusiastic patriotic liberal when I first saw a post from you saying that Fidel Castro killed millions of people... as if that is even a feasible idea considering Cuba's population. Also, your avatar featuring Bush as some kind of "DOPE", as if an Obama in his place is going to be much better.

[reddevil]

i can't really think of anything else to say. so i'm just going to say this, despite it being intellectually flat. FUCK OBAMA!

[Qwerty Dvorak]

i love those buzzwords

hope and change.

care to be more specific?
Unlike "bourgeois" and "revolution".

[freakazoid]

NObama

[RadicalRadical]

And smoking is good for you too dipshit.

[Bud Struggle]

Obama is the worst thing that could ever happen to Marxism.

He's the "Communism" that isn't Communism.

[Trystan]

Obma is like smoking, very appealing and enjoyable but likely to come back and bite you is the ass (metaphorically speaking, of course).

[RGacky3]

Unlike "bourgeois" and "revolution".

Yes, Bourgeois means the class of people who gain their living of the labor of others, and revolution is the Communists goal of changing, i.e. revolutionizing the social system of today.

When Politicians talk about freedom, liberty, prosperity, its all vague, its all buzzwords and they don't mean anything. Watching Politics is like watching professional wrestling, everyone pretends its real, even though they all now its fake.

Also, there is no revolution THEN, revolution should'nt be thought of as an event, its an ongoing process, and there is no 'until then' we should be pushing it and keeping it rolling now, and voting for obama is'nt going to help that along.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Yes, Bourgeois means the class of people who gain their living of the labor of others, and revolution is the Communists goal of changing, i.e. revolutionizing the social system of today.

When Politicians talk about freedom, liberty, prosperity, its all vague, its all buzzwords and they don't mean anything. Watching Politics is like watching professional wrestling, everyone pretends its real, even though they all now its fake.

Also, there is no revolution THEN, revolution should'nt be thought of as an event, its an ongoing process, and there is no 'until then' we should be pushing it and keeping it rolling now, and voting for obama is'nt going to help that along.
Bourgeois is a relatively specific word, but that doesn't preclude it from being used to death as a buzzword. Revolution is just as vague as any words used by the Dems. Attributing a meaning to a word does not make it any less vague. I could give you a definition of both "hope" and "change" if you wanted.

[Plagueround]

Obama is the worst thing that could ever happen to Marxism.

He's the "Communism" that isn't Communism.

Just because this country has become so right wing that it can delude people into thinking Obama is a communist or even a socialist, does not mean he's doing any damage to our movement that hasn't already been done.

The failure of Barack Obama to actually uphold or promote any leftist ideals is what sent me looking for something that actually represented the people.

[Dust Bunnies]

I just hope this Obama drone is more active then JohnMcCain2008, we need a some new blood and Captain Capitalist just doesn't cut it. (Don't get jealous TomK ;) ))

"You Communists are just like pluto, to you, the center and the left are so far away."- A Democrat's response to when I called them right winged or center-right.

[Labor Shall Rule]

Whoever likes Obama obviously doesn't like Afghans or Palestinians that much, or thinks that Black men need to be "responsible" and nurture their children better (even if, percentage-wise, they are more likely to check their kid's homework, or attend PTA meetings than any other demographic).

[RGacky3]

Whoever likes Obama obviously doesn't like Afghans or Palestinians

Thats the type of Statement that makes me cringe everytime I hear a leftist say it, over simplifying broad accussations that have no basis, and are intellectually akin to the right wings "You don't support the war in Iraq? that means you support Saddam."

Just stop it, it just makes you look stupid and arrogant.

[Mindtoaster]

Whoever likes Obama obviously doesn't like Afghans or Palestinians that much, or thinks that Black men need to be "responsible" and nurture their children better (even if, percentage-wise, they are more likely to check their kid's homework, or attend PTA meetings than any other demographic).


Hey can you provide a statistic or link for that?

It would be good when arguing with racists and white nationalists

[Dust Bunnies]

I agree, that statistic would be GREAT.

[Labor Shall Rule]

Hey can you provide a statistic or link for that?

It would be good when arguing with racists and white nationalists

-Bill Hofmann, "Jailed Autumn Begs Cosby to Meet Two Grandchildren," New York Post, November 6th 1998, pg. 12

-Benjamen Wieser, "3 Are Found Guilty of Trying to Extort Money from Cosby," New York Times, July 26, 1997, Section 1, P. 1, Metropolitan Desk

(the sources were taken from excerpts of Is Bill Cosby Right? by Michael Eric Dyson, a Black intellectual that focuses on race, gender, political, and faith-based studies)


"In fact, other studies suggest that the parents of black students are more likely than white or Asian parents to have assisted their child in doing their homework, or met with their children's teachers, and just as likely to encourage them to put in their best effort at school. Black parents are more likely than white parents to place their children in educational camps, attend PTA meetings, check their children's homework and reward their children for academic success."

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

I've never felt any love towards another man, but I really like Barack Obama.

[Meadow]

I've never felt any love towards another man,

You don't love your father, brothers or grandfathers?

Why would you bring this up?

._.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Hope! Change! Progress! Meaningless soundbites! Exclamation marks!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Tov_lenin_ochishchaet.jpg

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

You don't love your father, brothers or grandfathers?

Why would you bring this up?

._.

I love my sister but I'm not going to love my sister.

[Killfacer]

Don't get me wrong, i don't think Obama is a saint but i know he is better than Mcain/Palin so if you're a yank then vote for him.

[communard resolution]

. It's the only non ultra ultra far left thing to do.

For Hope.

Hahaha! We're not quite as stupid as you think we are, PostAnarchy.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Hahaha! We're not quite as stupid as you think we are, PostAnarchy.

Haha but you ideologues are as irrelevant.

[communard resolution]

Haha but you ideologues are as irrelevant.

As irrelevant as Obama?

[Killfacer]

as irrelevant as obama?


mind fuck

[Qwerty Dvorak]

As irrelevant as Obama?
No - much, much, much more.

[Plagueround]

No - much, much, much more.

If I ever go pink I'll be sure to hit you up for tips on how to be ineffectively smarmy towards former friends. :tt2:

[communard resolution]

No - much, much, much more.

Why do you hang around here then? I really don't get the restricted crowd.

[Plagueround]

Why do you hang around here then? I really don't get the restricted crowd.

When I was younger people used to make anti-Britney Spears websites to show their disgust, filling the page with rants about how terrible she was. Same principle I guess.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Why do you hang around here then? I really don't get the restricted crowd.

Most of us are FBI informants. So no, you're not completely irrelevant (yet).

[communard resolution]

Most of us are FBI informants. So no, you're not completely irrelevant (yet).

What a breath of relief, Abe.

[RGacky3]

I've never felt any love towards another man, but I really like Barack Obama.

I love my sister but I'm not going to love my sister.

You would give Freud volumes to write about.