The Sarah Palin demographic...

[Cheung Mo]

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[Incendiarism]

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4788/palinrulzcm6.jpg

Now they're true palin fans :cool:

[Abluegreen7]

Good one!

[Holden Caulfield]

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4788/palinrulzcm6.jpg

Now they're true palin fans :cool:

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Cheung Mo]

Do you think an Obama Administration and a Democratic-controlled Congress is capable of completing the final tasks of the bourgeois revolution in the USA?

[Raúl Duke]

Do you think an Obama Administration and a Democratic-controlled Congress is capable of completing the final tasks of the bourgeois revolution in the USA?

no...

I think a different approach might be needed to complete the pre-requisites that would allow a revolutionary situation/revolution.

[shorelinetrance]

what is a mavpik http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mavrikjg8.jpg

[Colonello Buendia]

excuse while I cry

[Wakizashi the Bolshevik]

Pathetic conservatives...
Can't even spell Socialist right

What's a mavpik?

[Lenin's Law]

Pathetic conservatives...


Not even conservative; a word that has admittedly been butchered into being the equivalent of extreme ultra-right reactionary. These people might even be considered somewhat fascist.

[La Comédie Noire]

Hahahahah:D


Do you think an Obama Administration and a Democratic-controlled Congress is capable of completing the final tasks of the bourgeois revolution in the USA?


Huh? :confused:

[Sprinkles]

What's a mavpik?


what is a mavpik http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mavrikjg8.jpg

Palin and McCain pose themselves as being political Mavericks, outside of the Washington insiders and the liberal political elite in their ivory towers.
It's just a dumb political slogan to gain votes by distancing themselves from the horrible legacy the Bush presidency has left for the Republicans.

[Module]

I must be really ignorant to not have gotten that dinosaur joke :lol: but now I'm curious. Somebody spell it out for me.

Regardless, maybe I'm just completely humourless but I didn't find the original picture that funny, either :confused:

The 'Sarah Palin demographic' is the average working class American, and she attracts those voters by not being a pretentious holier-than-thou candidate who uses a vocabulary and tone of voice that alienate these average working class people. That is what she aims will distinguish her (I can't tell if this sentence is grammatically correct)
The fact of the matter is, there are people like that who exist. I don't think we should be laughing at them, if anything, as socialists.
The Republican party, conservative politics generally run themselves among the working class on ignorance.
I don't see what's so funny about a family of people who clearly have a proportionate lack of opportunity to probably the majority of people posting on this thread.
A lot of working class people are conservatives, and they're conservatives for material reasons, not because they're all "pathetic" idiots.
Okay humorless pedestal preaching over. :crying:

[Mindtoaster]

I must be really ignorant to not have gotten that dinosaur joke :lol: but now I'm curious. Somebody spell it out for me.

Regardless, maybe I'm just completely humourless but I didn't find the original picture that funny, either :confused:

The 'Sarah Palin demographic' is the average working class American, and she attracts those voters by not being a pretentious holier-than-thou candidate who uses a vocabulary and tone of voice that alienate these average working class people. That is what she aims will distinguish her (I can't tell if this sentence is grammatically correct)
The fact of the matter is, there are people like that who exist. I don't think we should be laughing at them, if anything, as socialists.
The Republican party, conservative politics generally run themselves among the working class on ignorance.
I don't see what's so funny about a family of people who clearly have a proportionate lack of opportunity to probably the majority of people posting on this thread.
A lot of working class people are conservatives, and they're conservatives for material reasons, not because they're all "pathetic" idiots.
Okay humorless pedestal preaching over. :crying:

The people depicted there are not your typical urban proles. They're most likely from a rural area, obviously in the south. Your typical city dweller in America does not vote conservative.

[Module]

Well, what do you mean by a 'typical city dweller', in relation to what I'm saying?
Lower class Americans would not be that much more likely to vote Democrat, I would imagine.
Edit: This study seems to agree with me; link (http://www.princeton.edu/~bartels/kansas.pdf)

[redSHARP]

traditional values; it makes people sleep well at night.
do they even know what socialism is? dont they know that they might be better off with socilist values?

my one question is this:

why do people wave the confederate flag, but still consider themselves the most patriotic? i know they like the heritage and what not, but that heritage stood for destroying the country they love so much. i must have looked into it way to much.

[The Douche]

Well, what do you mean by a 'typical city dweller', in relation to what I'm saying?
Lower class Americans would not be that much more likely to vote Democrat, I would imagine.
Edit: This study seems to agree with me; link (http://www.princeton.edu/~bartels/kansas.pdf)

He's saying that low income citizens in the cities tend to support the democrats and liberal policy, whereas low income citizens in rural areas tend to support the republicans and conservative policy. The fact that these people have a confederate flag flying from the house would lead one to believe that they reside in the rural south.

Actually, the study you posted disagrees with you. First of all, it is about the "white working class", second of all the first line in the study is:


Have the white working class abandoned the democratic party? No.

So uh, did you even read that before you claimed it supported your arguement?

The main reasons that working class people vote republican are; "tax cuts", even though the republicans give the biggest ones to the rich, all people need to hear is that phrase and they like it, national defense, if you're a patriot that would be obvious, and finally they honestly believe they are "middle class". Most people in this country like to call themsleves middle class, even if they are not. You rarely ever here a politician say "working class" they will always refer to the people as "the middle class, average american worker". And the republican party is a party for the middle class.

[Module]

He's saying that low income citizens in the cities tend to support the democrats and liberal policy, whereas low income citizens in rural areas tend to support the republicans and conservative policy. The fact that these people have a confederate flag flying from the house would lead one to believe that they reside in the rural south.
Right. Which is why I asked what the specific relevance of what he said in regards to my post. We're not having some argument about 'rural' or 'urban' ... he simply made a comment.


Actually, the study you posted disagrees with you. First of all, it is about the "white working class", second of all the first line in the study is:
No, it doesn't disagree with me.
I have said initially "A lot of working class people are conservatives", which that study agrees with.
I then said "Lower class Americans would not be that much more likely to vote Democrat, I would imagine." which that study agrees with. 40% of lower class Americans voted conservative. White only, you're right, it was what I could find when I Googled it.
But to humor you I've found a general study (http://www.newgeography.com/content/00246-2004-presidential-vote-household-income), which still shows about 40% of the lower class vote conservative (in 2004) and about 50% of the middle third voted conservative. So yes, it agrees with me.


So uh, did you even read that before you claimed it supported your arguement?Yes, I did.
Just a word of advice, next time you're feeling a little pissy, go for a walk, take a few deep breaths. Try not to take it onto the forum.


The main reasons that working class people vote republican are; "tax cuts", even though the republicans give the biggest ones to the rich, all people need to hear is that phrase and they like it, national defense, if you're a patriot that would be obvious, and finally they honestly believe they are "middle class". Most people in this country like to call themsleves middle class, even if they are not. You rarely ever here a politician say "working class" they will always refer to the people as "the middle class, average american worker". And the republican party is a party for the middle class.
Right.

[Sendo]

I can't remember the last time I've heard the word class used in any way except the murky income level denizens of "middle class". We all think the same thing when we hear middle class, but it has no political relevance. Stereotypes of suburbia and soccer moms/dads with full-time jobs doesn't constitute a class, but every major US politician acts like they're the light of the new world, as if they're a majority, and everyone above is a bad corporate goon (but not all corporate goons are bad, of course) and a limousine liberal. Everyone below is a lazy welfare queen.

Workers and owners do not fit into this equation at all. Using the word "class" to describe this fading illusion of TV dinners, grass lawns, and 2.5 kids is a complete fucking joke. When I see people watching CNN blab on and on about the tragedy of the loss of the middle class I can only laugh.

[Mindtoaster]

Right. Which is why I asked what the specific relevance of what he said in regards to my post. We're not having some argument about 'rural' or 'urban' ... he simply made a comment.


My bad, I just got lazy and didn't edit the quote down to the part I was responding to.

I was talking about where you said that the Sarah palin Demographic was the average working-class American.

Almost all of the upper-middle and bourgeois vote Palin around here, while the lower class and the working class in the city tend to vote for Obama (not that theres much of a real difference)

[Comrade B]

what is a mavpik
What is a socialest?


I must be really ignorant to not have gotten that dinosaur joke http://www.revleft.com/vb/../revleft/smilies2/laugh.gif but now I'm curious. Somebody spell it out for me.
Sarah Palin thinks that humans and dinosaurs used to live at the same time together


Got to tell you guys, I live around people like this
look up Walla Walla Washington some time, and don't just look at the winery district and downtown which are set up for tourists, look at the origional town

[Sprinkles]

I was talking about where you said that the Sarah palin Demographic was the average working-class American.

Almost all of the upper-middle and bourgeois vote Palin around here, while the lower class and the working class in the city tend to vote for Obama (not that theres much of a real difference)

The whole debate whether there's a certain Democrat or Republican demographic is in my opinion a bit irrelevant and even harmful since it taps into the whole reactionary right wing Culture War idea.

I don't think there's much relevance at all whether there's an actual difference in class composition which supports either side, since Democrats and Republicans are bourgeois parties which have more in common with each other then that they differ. The only real problem that matters is that the working class still has faith in the bourgeois electoral system.

[BraneMatter]

Dog-gone-it, I don't thhink I've ever witnessed so much mutual masturbation in public as when watching Sarah Palin working the crowd out on the campaign trail to shouts of "Drill baby, drill!".

It makes ones uneasy, like you want to cover your kid's eyes and ears or something, and look around for a cop to file a complaint of "public indecency."

You-betcha! :laugh:

[Dean]

http://i36.tinypic.com/osdh1l.jpg (http://i36.tinypic.com/osdh1l.jpg)

Just what we need: more cultural chauvinism.

[ckaihatsu]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/10/06/ST2008100603030.html

As Palin Brings Up Ayers, Obama Team Cites Keating

By Anne E. Kornblut and Michael Abramowitz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, October 7, 2008; A06

The presidential campaign of Sen. Barack Obama for the first time criticized Sen. John McCain for his role in the "Keating Five" savings-and-loan scandal yesterday, saying the issue is fair game after a weekend of attacks by Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin over the Democrat's ties to Vietnam War-era radical William Ayers.

[...]

Ayers was a member of the Weather Underground, a group that carried out several domestic bombings when Obama was a child. Obama has denounced the actions of Ayers, who went on to become a university professor and education advocate in Chicago.

[...]




Hey, not to brag too much, but I happened to have studied with Bill Ayers when I was in a teaching program, before I went to college. For anyone who wants an introduction / refresher to that period in politics, I'd recommend 'Chicago 10', a recent documentary that's very good....


Chris




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