What will democracy turn out like - In Iraq

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http://palestinechronicle.com/article.php?...030408230457532 (http://palestinechronicle.com/article.php?story=20030408230457532)

The multi multi billion dollar question?

[Chiak47]

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[Chiak47]

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BTW...Iraq will be better off once they are opened up to the world for trade...

[peaccenicked]

Chiak47. You simpleton without the charm of a simpleton.
Neither your pictures or your comment have anything to do with DEMOCRACY and everything to do with the politics of greed.
http://www.rense.com/1.imagesD/peace.jpg

[abstractmentality]

Quote: from Chiak47 on 6:33 pm on April 8, 2003
BTW...Iraq will be better off once they are opened up to the world for trade...

this must be one of the most ignorant statements i have seen on this board since i have been a member, and i have been on this board since august 2001. if you knew anything about free trade and the effects of it, then you would not be saying this.

http://www.unamericanactivities.com/module...article&sid=124 (http://www.unamericanactivities.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=124)

http://landru.i-link-2.net/monques/ethnocideimf.html

[Chiak47]

Lafties,
I'm all for free trade.
It's the way that man is supposed to be.

Fuck what LAftie websites want you to believe.

Thanks,
Pure American

[abstractmentality]

how about you support your free trade ideas with one, just one country that has developed through practicing free trade. oh wait, you cant, because it has never happend. oh yea, every time they put free trade into affect, if does horrid damage to that countries economy. yea, i bet you like to forget that part, or perhaps not look at it. the fact of the matter is that free trade does not work, and it destroys democracy, but you free-market globalization freaks love to forget, dismiss, or disregard the facts.

"The government should "get out of the way"-hence the population too, insofar as the government is democratic, though the conclusion remains implicit." -Noam Chomsky

“You see, in the Middle Ages, they used to put leeches on people’s bodies when they were ill and they would get sicker and sicker. And you know what they would say? They would say, “You know what? You know what's wrong? There's still blood.” So they would apply more leeches. And that's how the globalisation program works. You just keep applying leeches and if a little deregulation seems to be making the system sick what you need is more deregulation to try to cure the system.” And I said, “You [Professor Joseph Stiglitz, ex-chief economist of the World Bank] know what? You don't sound like you're wearing your straightjacket [an idea put forward by Thomas Friedman. see The Lexus and The Olive Tree].” And he replied, "Well I'm not, not anymore". Despite the fact that there's supposedly no dissent, he was dissenting; and this is the guy who conceived the system.

So I asked him “What happened here then?”, and he said, “Well, you know, economics is a science. It's a dismal science, but it's a science. And you know what the problem with globalization and the program of privatizations, deregulation, liberalisation of capital markets are? They don't work.” And he told me to take a look at Latin America in the period 1960 to 1980. In the Dark Ages in which they had all kind of government regulations, controls, quasi-socialist economies and government intervention, Latin America's per capita income grew by 73%. The same went for Africa; its per-capita income grew by 34%. But it was "inefficient" and we thought we could do better with free-market solutions. And so it began in 1980, with the International Monetary Fund and then the World Bank, sending out structural assistance programs with loan conditions. They said, if we're going to give you money, you've got to change your economy. Then came the economic miracle. Latin America, in the next 20 years in its straightjacket, went from 73% growth per capita income to just about nothing: 6%. Africa, which had grown at a pokey 34% during those 20 years, has since dropped by 23%. The privatization program became what Professor Stiglitz called the “briberization” program. What happened was that privatization became the means to sell off the country to bandits who then had no reason to operate businesses so instead they just sold off the assets. And that's what happened in Russia and there it resulted in a depression. I said to him, “You sound like a bitter man. Did it work for anyone, is it all doom and gloom?” He said, “Oh no, you look at the numbers for Asia; the World Bank always talks about how well Asia did. That's because of China and the tremendous growth it experienced.” And I asked him what China's trick was and he replied, “They didn't listen to us!” China said, “We're not privatising; we're not liberalizing. Worry, keep your straightjacket.” -Greg Palast and Oliver Shykles talking with Professor Joseph Stiglitz, ex-chief economist of the World Bank

(Edited by abstractmentality at 7:55 pm on April 8, 2003)

[englandsgay]

norm chomsky is a piece of crap

[Boris Moskovitz]

So are you, so are you...

Chiak:
Fuck what Raigties sites want you to believe.
Thanks,
Not an American

(Edited by Boris Moskovitz at 8:21 am on April 9, 2003)

[abstractmentality]

Quote: from englandsgay on 8:10 pm on April 8, 2003
norm chomsky is a piece of crap

cant say i know who "norm" chomsky is, but i do know who noam chomsky is. what i see in that simple "statement" is fear in what chomsky says and writes. being that you can pick up a chomsky book, and go through endless end notes on documentation, i feel comfortable in listing him as a source.

essentially, englandsgay, you have said nothing.