CCastro jails dozens of dissidents in the last few weeks

[Anti communist]

To those of you that didn't believe anything I was saying about Castro. It's been all over the news so I'm not gonna look for a link, there have to be a million of them out there.

Castro has jailed dozens of dissidents in the last few months. I heard today that a dozen were given 20 yr sentences. And Amnesty Int'l is again knocking at Castro's door but he's not answering.

Also, I ran into a woman who's about 40 yrs old today who came from Cuba 5 yrs ago. I asked her how things are down there. Everything I said here is true. You get 3 lbs of rice a month, 1 lb of this, and so on and so on. And when there's a disaster in some part of the world, Castro sends aid to look like a good guy. But that aid has to come from somewhere. So instead of getting 3 lbs of rice the next month, you only get 2. The world sees this from the outside and they come to 2 conclusions. 1)Castro must not be as bad as they say if he's sending aid to countries that had a disaster. 2)The outside world thinks that there can't be any food shortages in Cuba if the have enough to send to other countries.

So to all those who deny that Castro is evil, and that he doesn't jail and torture dissidents, and there are many human rights violations, and there is great misery in general...........FUCK YOU!!!!!!!! YOU KNOW NOTHING YOU EVIL COMMIE PIECES OF SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!

[hazard]

yeah, sure

whatever

do you still believe in the tooth fairy?
what about the easter bunny?

idiot

[Palmares]

So... everything you say is true? One woman can speak for a nation?

Every country has suffering people, not just Cuba, as you may think (or wish).

How is the rationing in the U$?

[Anti communist]

There is no rationing in the US.

Hazard, look at my links: Reuters and Amnesty Int'l. If you dismiss these sources as lacking credibility, then you are simply in denial because your shity communist ideology is bullshit man!!!!!!!! Wake up and smell the CAFE dude!!!

http://news.findlaw.com/international/s/20...batrialsdc.html (http://news.findlaw.com/international/s/20030404/cubatrialsdc.html)

http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-cub/index

[CopperGoat]

Yo, why is your flag upside down? Aren't you pro-American and pro Bush?

Another thing, Cuba is not perfect, Castro is not perfect, US is not perfect, George Bush is not perfect.

Oh and there is another lady in this forum, Anti-communist. Her name is Larissa, she too has lived in Cuba and she says that everyone in Cuba has shelter, and food. Not everyone in US has shelter and food.

US improsones innocents and kills innocent people with the death penalty.

What is your point anti-communist?

[CopperGoat]

Amnesty International says that Cuba is the best place in all of Latin America that has the least human rights violations.

You know, Amnesty International has reported more human rights violations in US than Cuba.

What is your point anti-communist?

[Boris Moskovitz]

Since you are yet in a hostile system, but you are saying it in a nicer way than some other guy I know, I will take the time to read it.

After reading it...

Okay, I will leave the explanation of the Cuban gouvernment's behavior to the others. Maybe it is true, maybe it isn't I never trust the medias, remember about the War On Iraq and its 'Weapons of mass destruction'? Those believers were total suckers. They can be wrong, but my guess is that this is a capitalist website, so, just like we can be, they are obviously biased against us, as we can be against them. I am not a traitor, comrades, I am just saying the truth, there are people with different beliefs, and who disagree.
But the "ties" between Cuba and America, this is total bullshit. We know that America has made an embargo on Cuba, and I don't think it is a very nice thing to do. This is a thing that America should remove, the embargo, if they want to "expand" their "ties". I think that part was just a pathetic excuse to try to make the Cuban leaders look bad.
Thank you,
Boris

[hazard]

"wake up" is a common term used by many socialists and communists to wake the mind raped majority of their respective nations from the lies and propaganda that fills their daily lives

I am awake, it is u that must wake up anti

[Hampton]

http://web.amnesty.org/web/ar2002.nsf/amr/usa!open

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGAMR510012000

[redstar2000]

You know, worm, I finally found out what was on that famous "petition" that the dissidents were circulating (think it's on the BBC web site).

Guess what: freedom of enterprise was one of their demands. Surprise! :o

They are pro-capitalist vermin...and anything bad that happens to them is fine with me. They don't want to make the Cuban Revolution more democratic...they want the freedom to get rich and exploit the labor of others.

Fuck them...and fuck you, worm!

:angry:

[Anti communist]

Boris, my sources are reliable, they are Amnesty Int'l's own website and the other one is an article by Reuters.

Copper, everyone might have shelter, but as far as food, it is just enough to keep you alive, the bare neccesities. As far as the death penalty, these are people that are found guilty, then found guilty agan in multiple appeals like that murderous scumbag Mumia.

Copper, show me your links/evidence that Amnesty Int'l says the US has more violations than Cuba. And look at what you're claiming that Amnesty Int'l said: Amnesty International says that Cuba is the best place in all of Latin America that has the least human rights violations. You are twisting and sugar coating what they probably said. Again, show me the links. And what do you mean they are the best place in Latin America with the least violations? In what sense? What does that mean? I've been to Puerto Rico a dozen times and have family and friends down there and they are all doing MUCH better than anyone in Cuba. There is no way that Cuba can have the least human rights violations in Latin America. Puerto Rico has to be one of the ones with the least and Cuba one of the ones with the most.

[hazard]

redstar said:

"fuck them and fuck you, worm!"

I say:

testify, my BROth-AH!

[Anti communist]

Hey Hampton, looks like the US violations can't be compared to the Cuban violations. You are comparing apples and oranges. Read your links and read mine. Which ones sound like they have more severe violations.......the Cuban ones.

Red "my BIATCH" 2000, you and a lot of people on this site that lean politically to the left as you do, have very serious character flaws. Dishonesty is the main one. But not the only one.

To say that a guy deserves to be put in jail because he wants to make a few extra bucks to take better care of his family is SICK dude. Seek some proffesional help.

[Anti communist]

Copper, the flag in my avatar, my signature, and even my password has been changed in an ongoing harrassment campaign by the leadership of this site. The reason they do this is because I am a huge threat to their ideology with all my evidence. The reason they don't outright ban me is because it will show their true nature........a non tolerant dictatorship as in Cuba and Iraq.

[synthesis]

The reason they do this is because I am a huge threat to their ideology with all my evidence. :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

The janitors WIRED the machine to give me cola! They KNOW I don't like cola! It is a conspiracy!

[Anti communist]

Dyer, are you saying that you guys aren't changing my avatar and sig? Nice try, Malte already confessed on another post that he's got a cron job running every 15 mins to change it to the current settings. So if I change it, it will be like it is now within 15 min.

[hazard]

WORM, U ARE SO FULL OF IT.

are you nuts? u think people are changing your avatar and rank? you're just a paranoid fruitcake. you're, well, you're a worm.

DOWN WITH FACISM!!! DOWN WITH WORMS!!!

[Anti communist]

Here's a quote from Malte's post: It is an wonderfull thing called cron job (the nerds will now what I'm talking about), which automatically sets back AC's sig and avatar every 15 minutes.

Here's the post shithead:

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...c=2061&start=40 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=2061&start=40)

[hazard]

yeah well you shouldn't believe everything you read, should you?

here's something for you to quote:

anti-communist is a worm who totes the fascists because he believes everything they tell him

at least if you quoted this as being true you would have the benefit of quoting the truth

(Edited by hazard at 7:01 pm on April 8, 2003)

[peaccenicked]

Dissidents or agents for the US
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1350161.stm

[Dhul Fiqar]

Quote: from Anti communist on 9:44 am on April 8, 2003
FUCK YOU!!!!!!!! YOU KNOW NOTHING YOU EVIL COMMIE PIECES OF SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!


#Moderation Mode

Please refrain from posting threads with profane abuse.

[hazard]

yeah worm, you better watch your feed hole

you spit up nothin but the dirt you eat anyway

[Invader Zim]

Hey Anti i had to dig this up for you... This happened in the 1920's but worse happenes now.

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...um=26&topic=284 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=26&topic=284)

[Blackberry]

Quote: from Anti communist on 4:03 am on April 8, 2003

To say that a guy deserves to be put in jail because he wants to make a few extra bucks to take better care of his family is SICK dude. Seek some proffesional help.


How do you know that the Cuban people are not being cared for sufficiently? How do you know of the conditions that the Cuban people live in?

Have you ever BEEN to Cuba, or even seen some of what Cuba is REALLY like; or do you just wake up in the morning, and read the newspaper, and believe the things you read?

[Hodgo]

Quote: from redstar2000 on 3:50 am on April 8, 2003
You know, worm, I finally found out what was on that famous "petition" that the dissidents were circulating (think it's on the BBC web site).

Guess what: freedom of enterprise was one of their demands. Surprise! :o

They are pro-capitalist vermin...and anything bad that happens to them is fine with me. They don't want to make the Cuban Revolution more democratic...they want the freedom to get rich and exploit the labor of others.

Fuck them...and fuck you, worm!

:angry:


I dont know much about the whole saga with the dissidents, but I do know its shit like this that puts me off socialism/socialists.

Leftists -myself included- often complain about the heavy censorship thats prevailent in right-wing regimes, and rightly so, but heres a newsflash: saying people deserve to be thrown in jail for having a political opinion thats different to yours is NO BETTER. In fact, its exactly the same.

If the Cuban people are truly happy under Castros rule, then a group of people promoting capitalism should pose no threat to his regime.

I hardly agree with anything Anti Capitalist says, but to say these people deserved to be jailed just for wanting freedom of enterprise is moronic.

[Sabocat]

Quote: from Anti communist on 6:44 am on April 8, 2003
To those of you that didn't believe anything I was saying about Castro. It's been all over the news so I'm not gonna look for a link, there have to be a million of them out there.

Castro has jailed dozens of dissidents in the last few months. I heard today that a dozen were given 20 yr sentences. And Amnesty Int'l is again knocking at Castro's door but he's not answering.

Also, I ran into a woman who's about 40 yrs old today who came from Cuba 5 yrs ago. I asked her how things are down there. Everything I said here is true. You get 3 lbs of rice a month, 1 lb of this, and so on and so on. And when there's a disaster in some part of the world, Castro sends aid to look like a good guy. But that aid has to come from somewhere. So instead of getting 3 lbs of rice the next month, you only get 2. The world sees this from the outside and they come to 2 conclusions. 1)Castro must not be as bad as they say if he's sending aid to countries that had a disaster. 2)The outside world thinks that there can't be any food shortages in Cuba if the have enough to send to other countries.

So to all those who deny that Castro is evil, and that he doesn't jail and torture dissidents, and there are many human rights violations, and there is great misery in general...........FUCK YOU!!!!!!!! YOU KNOW NOTHING YOU EVIL COMMIE PIECES OF SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!



You just don't get it do you? There is a food shortage in Cuba because of the FUCKING US EMBARGO! The US even tell and forces other countries not to do business with them. Thank goodness for places like Canada ignoring the US' bullshit.

Do you know why there is a US embargo on Cuba? Because Castro nationalized the oil refineries and sugar plantations that were there and it pissed off the US corporations. God forbid that the people that were being exploited and used like slave labor, should actually have control of their lives and industry. Kennedy being the good little corporate ***** that he was decided that the embargo would be placed...but only after he sent his fucking ***** lapdog Schlesinger to Cuba to buy him 1200 Cuban cigars.

You know what....dissidents are thrown out of countries and jailed everyday. Do you think after the US has fucked Iraq, that anyone loyal to Saddam won't be killed or deported? They will be considered dissedents to the US regime. Do you think many British loyalists were allowed or welcomed to stay in the US after the revolution? If I'm not mistaken, most of them fled to Nova Scotia.

Please spare me with all this shit coming from pro-capitalist and pro-batista Cubans. They got what they deserved.

[redstar2000]

Hodgo, I somehow suspect that the fate of the pro-capitalists in Cuba has more to it than just a "difference of opinion."

These people were meeting with a U.S. representative at his residence on an almost daily basis. Somehow, I think they did more than just study Adam Smith or the Chicago School.

But to address your central point: I am opposed to freedom of speech for pro-capitalists after the revolution...just as I would have been opposed to freedom of speech for those who wished to restore slavery after 1865.

The capitalists with their wage slavery stand, in my view, on the same level as the plantation slave-owner...they don't deserve anything but shit on their heads.

Finally, I note that the worm is pissing and moaning about the "right of enterprise" meaning that some guy "wants to make a few extra bucks to take care of his family." Violins, please! What it really means is the opportunity for the worms in Miami to go back to Cuba, buy everything in sight, and treat the working class as slaves...like they did under Batista.

Not yet, worms,...and maybe never! :cheesy:

:cool:

[Boris Moskovitz]

Quote: from Anti communist on 7:51 am on April 8, 2003
Boris, my sources are reliable, they are Amnesty Int'l's own website and the other one is an article by Reuters.

Sure, that's what they all say :biggrin:.
Ahem... But the embargo doesn't help at all, and all I am saying to the people that want it to go on, is that may I give them the finger, and may they %&[email protected] themselves on it.
True... you guys are great. You once again mentioned something I know, but I completely forgot about it: consorship. I guess there were circumstances, and the words of the medias, didn't described the situation enough. But can't we simply end with this, so we can cheer for our brave soldiers in Iraq, fighting for freedom, by napalms and bombing? Anyways, worm, if you are looking for freedom, this kid wants to thank USA to liberate him ^^.

http://www.politicalstrikes.com/.images/ps834.jpg

And now back to Cuba, But heheh...
"Freedom of speech to restore slavery"
I do agree with that, and I gotta say... It's like...
"Fucking for virginity"

So, if US wants to have a "tie" with Cuba, may they stop the damn embargo, I know they only stopped the one in Vietnam because it became a business partner. Capitalism... they stink... they only stopped something horrible because of... capitalist reasons... They have no values whatsoever, only money, money and money.

Let me predict worm's awnser for this one...
"We will only stop the embargo when you start being capitalist! Mwahahahahahahah!"

[Soul Rebel]

Funny, i went to cuba myself and pretty much saw the opposite. and man let me tell you- i never ate better. they had the best veggies and fruits and pasta you can ever imagine. and from what i saw, fidel castro is doing something right. sure i may not agree with the jailing of those men, but i am a castro supporter and believe in keeping the communist state up and running.

how come its so damn evil when castro jails those who belong to opposition groups, but when the U.S. does it they are hereos? i mean, you say one damn word against this government and they will follow your every move.

and to anti-communist: why are you here then if you are so against communism? do you know much about communism?

also to add to disgusipated response: spain, france, italy, and germany also do business with cuba. these four countries were on the label of everything. and you are right the embargo is hurting cuba, but at the same time i think the embargo is essential in protecting the culture and the government. if we lift the embargo, the U.S., like always, and the damn american tourists will go in there and ruin the beautiful country.

And to those who say that cuba is no good--- false. Its better than anyone can imagine. the image that has been produced by the american government is bullshit. i would rather live in cuba, and plan on doing so--- after having been there and seeing everything for myself.

(Edited by SenoraChe at 4:43 pm on April 8, 2003)

[Anti communist]

Hazard, "feed hole"? I have to admit, that's hilarious. I haven't heard that one before.

Hodgo, thanks for making so much sense.

Neutral Nation, chk my other posts that I started or answered to on this topic. I lived there and came here when I was a child over 30 yrs ago. Everyone I talk to who comes here from Cuba says the same things I've said here and in my other posts in more detail.

Disgustapated, people are jailed in every country every day. But to jail someone for expressing a political ideology diff than the regime's is a human rights violation.

Red "MY BIATCH" 2000, don't worry, I have no intentions of going back to Cuba except maybe to see old friends and only after Castro is gone. So I won't be buying up everything in sight, don't worry.

Boris, as always you guys blame the US for the misry of the Cuban people which is all Castro's fault. As far as your picture, how do we know that's from the current war, how do you know it's not doctered, how do you know that's even from Iraq?

SenoraChe said: Funny, i went to cuba myself and pretty much saw the opposite. and man let me tell you- i never ate better. they had the best veggies and fruits and pasta you can ever imagine. and from what i saw, fidel castro is doing something right.

Yeah, anyone who goes to the tourist resorts has anything and everything they need. But the Cuban people don't. Even the ones that work at the hotels don't get to eat in those restaurants. About the 2nd part of your statement

SenoraChe said: and to anti-communist: why are you here then if you are so against communism? do you know much about communism?

Chk my answer to Neutral Nation above. My family fled the brutal regime.

SenoraChe said: also to add to disgusipated response: spain, france, italy, and germany also do business with cuba. these four countries were on the label of everything. and you are right the embargo is hurting cuba, but at the same time i think the embargo is essential in protecting the culture and the government. if we lift the embargo, the U.S., like always, and the damn american tourists will go in there and ruin the beautiful country.


If so many countries do business with Cuba, and there is still so much misery, then the embargo must not be the cause of the embargo. correct? And you only mentioned 4 countries. Those 4 countries alone should be able to provide Cuba with all the food, medicine, and resources it needs. Castro is the problem not the embargo. As far as the country, it is beautiful nature wise, but in Havana the buildings are in really bad shape from lack of upkeep. That is a shame because some of these buildings are hundreds of yrs old. A lot of buildings have like scafolding on the front to help support them. In contrast, Puerto Rico which also has all the same old architecture is pristine and the country is just as beautiful. As far as the tourists ruining the country and the coulture........it'll never happen. Cuba was a hot tourist attraction in the 40's 50's before Castro, with great resorts and casinos, etc. It survived all that, both culturaly and scenicly. Look at Puerto Rico, it's been under US control for 100 yrs. It's not a state and it's not independent, it's a US territory. The culture, scenery, and nature is all very beautiful. I like the status it has as far as not being a state and not being independent. If it ws independent, it would not be doing as well financially. But if it becomes a state, the culture there will erode slowly. Cuba won't have an erosion of the culture unless it becomes a state and we know that's not gonna happen anytime soon.

SenoraChe said: i would rather live in cuba, and plan on doing so--- after having been there and seeing everything for myself.

You'll be sorry. It's one thing to go to a Cuban resort for 2 weeks and quite another to live there.

[Aleksander Nordby]

cant you just shot yourself in the fucking brainedwashed head of yours!

[Soul Rebel]

Quote: from Anti communist on 3:20 am on April 9, 2003
Hazard, "feed hole"? I have to admit, that's hilarious. I haven't heard that one before.

Hodgo, thanks for making so much sense.

Neutral Nation, chk my other posts that I started or answered to on this topic. I lived there and came here when I was a child over 30 yrs ago. Everyone I talk to who comes here from Cuba says the same things I've said here and in my other posts in more detail.

Disgustapated, people are jailed in every country every day. But to jail someone for expressing a political ideology diff than the regime's is a human rights violation.

Red "MY BIATCH" 2000, don't worry, I have no intentions of going back to Cuba except maybe to see old friends and only after Castro is gone. So I won't be buying up everything in sight, don't worry.

Boris, as always you guys blame the US for the misry of the Cuban people which is all Castro's fault. As far as your picture, how do we know that's from the current war, how do you know it's not doctered, how do you know that's even from Iraq?

SenoraChe said: Funny, i went to cuba myself and pretty much saw the opposite. and man let me tell you- i never ate better. they had the best veggies and fruits and pasta you can ever imagine. and from what i saw, fidel castro is doing something right.

Yeah, anyone who goes to the tourist resorts has anything and everything they need. But the Cuban people don't. Even the ones that work at the hotels don't get to eat in those restaurants. About the 2nd part of your statement

SenoraChe said: and to anti-communist: why are you here then if you are so against communism? do you know much about communism?

Chk my answer to Neutral Nation above. My family fled the brutal regime.

SenoraChe said: also to add to disgusipated response: spain, france, italy, and germany also do business with cuba. these four countries were on the label of everything. and you are right the embargo is hurting cuba, but at the same time i think the embargo is essential in protecting the culture and the government. if we lift the embargo, the U.S., like always, and the damn american tourists will go in there and ruin the beautiful country.


If so many countries do business with Cuba, and there is still so much misery, then the embargo must not be the cause of the embargo. correct? And you only mentioned 4 countries. Those 4 countries alone should be able to provide Cuba with all the food, medicine, and resources it needs. Castro is the problem not the embargo. As far as the country, it is beautiful nature wise, but in Havana the buildings are in really bad shape from lack of upkeep. That is a shame because some of these buildings are hundreds of yrs old. A lot of buildings have like scafolding on the front to help support them. In contrast, Puerto Rico which also has all the same old architecture is pristine and the country is just as beautiful. As far as the tourists ruining the country and the coulture........it'll never happen. Cuba was a hot tourist attraction in the 40's 50's before Castro, with great resorts and casinos, etc. It survived all that, both culturaly and scenicly. Look at Puerto Rico, it's been under US control for 100 yrs. It's not a state and it's not independent, it's a US territory. The culture, scenery, and nature is all very beautiful. I like the status it has as far as not being a state and not being independent. If it ws independent, it would not be doing as well financially. But if it becomes a state, the culture there will erode slowly. Cuba won't have an erosion of the culture unless it becomes a state and we know that's not gonna happen anytime soon.

SenoraChe said: i would rather live in cuba, and plan on doing so--- after having been there and seeing everything for myself.

You'll be sorry. It's one thing to go to a Cuban resort for 2 weeks and quite another to live there.


You know- before you start assuming things, ask some damn questions. And let me inform you- 1st of all, I did not stay at resorts. I stayed with family and friends. Do you think you are the only person who has a history in cuba. 2nd) not only is the landscape beautiful, but i was referring to the people. they are amazing people, whom i love very much. also, the buildings are going through reconstruction. they are rebuilding everything. spain (galicia, better said) is in there rebuilding it for them. 3rd) i would not be sorry if i lived in cuba. my family and i have seen hard times. we come from the most impoverished part of spain (galicia). this is the region in which the people left for cuba- hence why i have history there. 4th) the U.S. would ruin cuba, we have done it to other countries. we have this belief in americanizing everyone. as soon as the U.S. had the chance they would be down there building walmarts and targets and mobiles. sorry to tell you but that does ruin cultures. people begin to lose sight of their history and their beliefs because of the new american crap that has been introduced to them.

Did you ever consider that many of the cubans are happy with what they have. I talked to many people on buses and just walking through town about how they felt. They have all the essentials, what they need. They have their health care and education. You would be suprised how advanced their medical system is. I have seen it first hand and have studied it for yrs. for a thesis paper. Even WHO has recognized them as a world medical power.