‘Chemical Ali’ believed killed - YEAH BABY

[Liberty Lover]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HA. Let's just hope that this is true. :) :) :)

http://www.msnbc.com/news/890574.asp?0cv=CB10

(Edited by Liberty Lover at 4:14 am on April 6, 2003)

[Boris Moskovitz]

You actually believe killing one person will help? Another jerk will simply replace him... It is Saddam's case, if he dies, that veteran whom I don't remember the name, all I remember is that he's an American, but he will replace Hussein. So theres nothing to be really happy about. -_-

A moron dies, another one comes.

[Liberty Lover]

Do you even know what the fuck you are talking about?

I just thought Ali Hassan al-Majeed desrved a good killing.

[Xvall]

Yes. He does deserve a good killing. So does George Bush along with most United States military officials. What's that? You don't like what I am saying? You have a cousin in the military and you are outraged by my seemingly inhumane remarks? If you are going to yell at members of the board cheering at coalition deaths I expect you to have the same respect for members of other militaries. If you believe that you should cheer over Iraqi casualties then you should have no problem with members of the board cheering about American casualties. Refrain from being a hypocrite. That one guy was criticised and nearly banned for cheering about United States casualties. I expect the same reaction from the board members at the thought of Iraqi casualties. I don't care how tyrannic their regime is. Like the American troops; many Iraqi soldiers are simply trying to defend their country. If my neighborhood was being bombed I would probably take up arms as well. Have some decency, man.

[Dhul Fiqar]

I always found "Chemical Ali" to be a hillarious nickname, not sure why but it cracked me up when I heard CNN talking about him. I pictured this really crazy big guy with all kinds of vials of chemicals strapped to his body ;)

--- G.

[Som]

http://english.aljazeera.net/topics/articl...7&parent_id=258 (http://english.aljazeera.net/topics/article.asp?cu_no=1&item_no=1893&version=1&template_id=277&parent_id=258)

[Xvall]

Yes Dhul. America is becoming a disfunctional Superman television show! Have you not noticed? Osoma Bin Laden is the criminal mastermind that America must fight. Each day we journey into a brand new episode with the same cheesy special effects and exaggerated points that they used to make! For crying out loud, the war in Iraq has it's own theme song on CNN! Chemical Ali is simply another arch-nemisis that Bushman and Blair must face in their horribly reckless adventures. Tomorrow; Bushman and Blair use their 1337 nuclear superpowers to liberate some children in Libya. Before long American children will be trading cards with pictures of these evil-doers on them.

(Edited by Drake Dracoli at 6:45 am on April 6, 2003)

[Dhul Fiqar]

Yeah, that theme song sucks, too, reeks of fanfare and shit. I'd have prefered a chirpy little jingle, like on the Brady Bunch!

"This is the story, of a man named Saddam, who was bringing up two very naughty boys! This is the story, of a man named Dubya, who was blowing up this very nasty man!" etc. etc.

--- G.

[Boris Moskovitz]

"Do you even know what the fuck you are talking about? "

And who the fuck do you think I am? Boris Yeltsin? Of course I know what I'm fuckin' talking about! Someone will replace that guy! 'Chemical Ali'? Who gave him such a nickname?

Well people, what will happen? Will the forces of good get rid of the evil Saddam? Will he use his weapons of mass destruction? Fin out in the next exciting episode of CNN!

(Edited by Boris Moskovitz at 1:21 pm on April 6, 2003)

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 6:12 am on April 6, 2003
What's that? You don't like what I am saying? You have a cousin in the military and you are outraged by my seemingly inhumane remarks?

Actually im the one who has a cousin in the Gulf. But it was a godd argument just directed at the wrong guy...

[redstar2000]

I think the bourgeois fascination with personalities is instructive.

In their "reality", evil has a human face and a name. There would be no "evil" if we could just kill all these "evil" leaders with "diabolical" powers.

And when they do succeed in killing the "evil one", they are shocked when new "evil ones" arise...and can only conclude that the doctrine of original sin must apply at least some of the time.

The very material conditions that they have created to provide them with wealth...also create, over and over again, "evil ones" who want to deprive them of their plunder...this is unthinkable in a literal sense.

Our imperialists are as constantly bewildered by resistance to their tyranny as an anti-bellum old South slaveowner...who seriously thought that the reason that slaves ran away was because they suffered from a mental illness.

Or like the old quip about Mussolini: he killed and killed and killed the communists until there were millions of them.

:cool:

[peaccenicked]

Good post RedStar2000. The news is that he is still alive only his bodyguards were killed. I am not particularly in favour of the death penalty. Most deaths in this war are a result of Imperialist murder and to a much smaller degree Baath Party brutality, itself a product of CIA machinations in the Middle East. The name 'chemical' ali
is quite cynical, especially when we are not told at all by the mainstream media that no western country protested at the gasing of kurds at Kalabja.

Tony Blair the hypocrit went one step more in this rewriting of history.
''BLAIR SAYS that there are "no marches for the victims of Saddam". He is either ignorant or a liar. There was, for example, an emotional protest in London in 1988 over the gassing of 5,000 Kurds in the village of Halabja.

Peace campaigners, trade unionists and left wing supporters of the Kurds were there. Among them was George Galloway, the leading anti-war MP today. Not one member of the present government showed their face.''

[Xvall]

Actually im the one who has a cousin in the Gulf. But it was a godd argument just directed at the wrong guy...

I was just using that as an example. A lot of people happen to have brothers/cousins/friends in the military.

[englandsgay]

i hope the next one they kill is that lying no good piece of crap saddam calls an "information minister". im sick of seeing replays of his press conferences.

[hawarameen]

his nickname is chemical ali because of what he did to halabja, he was behind the gassing of 5000 people, very amusing indeed.

instead of killing the 'evil one' lets just let them all live shall we? well they will only be replaced if we kill them after all. infact in order to stop new 'evil ones' coming out of the woodwork lets help the existing ones. does the term justice mean anything to you??

my only hope is that he died a slow and painfull death.

i actually wish he hadnt died, i would have taken him to halabja and let the people there deal with him.

[Boris Moskovitz]

True... the bad thing is that if you kill a monster the same way it killed so many other people, then you would become one yourself...

Red, lol, you repeated what I said earlier, only in a much more sophisticated way.

[hazard]

chemical ali?

who's next?

snoop doggy dog and puff daddy?

[Palmares]

Quote: from hazard on 12:20 pm on April 8, 2003
chemical ali?

who's next?

snoop doggy dog and puff daddy?

I'm tempted to say yes...

BTW, Drake said it best (about this topic). Redstar2000 aswell.

[peaccenicked]

Why do the pro war wasters absolutely ignore the fact that NO western government condemned Saddam
for the gassing of the Kurds. Have they all got degrees in political illiteracy?

[hazard]

peace:

most likely because the americans are the master of using germ warfare as a means of genocide

thinking back to the army blankets infested with small pox they circulated amongst their native people during a particularly cold winter

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

OK, you got the excecuter of the plan

Now u must grab the master mind: Bush sr.!

[Liberty Lover]

Quote: from peaccenicked on 3:03 am on April 8, 2003
Why do the pro war wasters absolutely ignore the fact that NO western government condemned Saddam
for the gassing of the Kurds. Have they all got degrees in political illiteracy?


We ignore such claims because they are not true.

Britain condemned it http://www.parliament.the-stationery-offic...xt/80312-28.htm (http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm199798/cmhansrd/vo980312/debtext/80312-28.htm)

The Hawk-administration in Australia condemned it.

The official U.S. government reaction to Halabja? At first the government downplayed the reports, which were coming from Iranian sources. Once the media had confirmed the story and pictures of the dead villagers had been shown on television, the U.S. denounced the use of gas.

[hazard]

lover:

lover, what the hell are you talking about, lover?
is this like a line of tanks being communist, lover? is that what its like lover? huh, lover? is it?

only when confronted with irrefutable evidence to the capitalists admit fault. ain't that right lover? although chances are the media was only allowed to broadcast those images after being censored and spun by the capitalist puppet government. right lover? am I right lover? what do you think lover? is that it or not? lover, I think you got it all wrong.

[Liberty Lover]

Quote: from hazard on 8:31 am on April 8, 2003
lover:

lover, what the hell are you talking about, lover?
is this like a line of tanks being communist, lover? is that what its like lover? huh, lover? is it?

only when confronted with irrefutable evidence to the capitalists admit fault. ain't that right lover? although chances are the media was only allowed to broadcast those images after being censored and spun by the capitalist puppet government. right lover? am I right lover? what do you think lover? is that it or not? lover, I think you got it all wrong.

...this says more about Hazard's stupidity than I ever could.

(Edited by Liberty Lover at 8:42 am on April 8, 2003)

[hazard]

lover, who are you speaking towards? possibly the same capitalists you believe are secretly approving of your oh so democratic stance against the tyranny of communism. yeah, they love you lover. and one day, like the cow you are, they will reward you. with a bullet in the fucking head. wise up, lover. the capitalists don't even like you let alone love you. why is it that you so unabashedly admit your love of them? there is no reward for stupidity. gotta love it.

[peaccenicked]

The link you give to Hansard. Makes the Brits 10 year late.
Here is a report on the US position.
http://www.observer.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4492363,00.html

Since when did Australia become a western country, it is in the South east.

LL. Why not admit the West's hypocrisy and stop defending the indefensible.
You cant squirm out of this one with lies and geographical stupidity.

You dont have to remain a political illiterate forever.

[Liberty Lover]

Since when did Australia become a western country, it is in the South east.


Geographically Australia is in South East Asia. Politically it is a western nation, and not part of ASEAN.


You dont have to remain a political illiterate forever.

Yours is the philosophy of ignorance buddy.

[Liberty Lover]

Hazard,

Your pathetic spelling and grammar makes it difficult enough to interpret what you are trying to say, without the implementation of mindless drivel.

You established you’re stupidity to me early on with the obvious lack of knowledge you posses regarding history, politics and even the ideology you claim to profess. For those who were fortunate enough not to come across the early posts of Hazard let me enlighten you:

”communist empire”

This reference to communism as an imperialist doctrine is indicative of the fact that Hazard dose not know the basics of his ideology.

”China is still a communist country”

More evidence that Hazard’s understanding of communism is limited. For your own benefit, Hazard, in the early 1980s, Communist leader Deng Xiaoping introduced a program of free enterprise and declared that “to get rich is glorious.”

Deng's program successfully built light industries in coastal cities such as Shanghai and Guangzhou. But the rapid economic growth of the coastal cities created a wide disparity in wealth between them and China's rural interior. As a result, an estimated 120 million rural workers migrated to the thriving cities to take advantage of new economic opportunities.

Deng's economic reforms caused divisions within the Chinese Communist Party. Officials disagreed about the direction of China's economic future. Some wanted a return to state control while others favored even greater capitalist economic reform.

In the 1990s, foreign nations and investors became increasingly concerned about the results of the reforms. If China's prosperity were to continue, its economy could soon become the largest in the world. An economically powerful China would significantly alter the world's economic and political landscape.
You have but to travel to Shanghai or Beijing to discover that they look more like capitalist cities than New York, with McDonalds restaurants, and western business advertisements everywhere.

Can I suggest that you do a little more reading on the various political ideologies out there before continuing your blind acceptance of communism.

[Dhul Fiqar]

Can't say there's much communism around in China any more, most people her are firmly worshiping at the altar of money.

So, finally something we agree on LL ;)

--- G.

[Boris Moskovitz]

Bah! No need for China! Anywise LL, are we the blind ones out here? Are we the ones accepting the fact that Iraq is being bombed? Are we the ones who waged wars for profits and showing-off? Are we the ones who follow those wars? Are we the ones who don't look beyond the illusion the politics give us? Are we the ones still trapped in a world of lies? Are we the ones who want profits, profits, profits? And finally, aren't you the one who is not seeing the real world, and how people suffer with capitalism?

And why yes, I do read the political ideologies, both communist and scumbags. And can I suggest you to wake up and see how rotten the morning is?

That question was entirely symbolic, so don't try to read the words. Don't bother...

(Edited by Boris Moskovitz at 7:13 pm on April 8, 2003)

[peaccenicked]

LL
Geographically, Australia is not western, politically it is
an ally of western powers.
A small quib really but what is competely false in your
reply is you have no responded at all to the lies I exposed. It is laughable.
"We ignore such claims because they are not true."
Your evidence was false, it was ten years out of date and you did not even reply to the Observer article.
Obviously you know you are lying and dont want to find out the truth.

[Liberty Lover]

Fine. But the central fact remains that current western governments have condemned it. And the current governments are those making the decisions. They have not tried to justify their support for Saddam and they have labelled the betrayl of the Shiites and Kurds following the last Gulf War as "shameful"

[Boris Moskovitz]

Hahah! I can't believe LL has taken the blue pill!

You mean you are promoting the war on Iraq? I won't bother telling you anything... a brainwashed person can't be brought back... they will keep on believe the lies until they die.

[Liberty Lover]

You're an idiot.

[Palmares]

LL,

your avatar offends my un-patriotism.

I don't like having a lappy (John W Howard) as my prime minister.

[peaccenicked]

Liberty taker and it is taking a liberty.
First you say you ignore my claims because they are untrue.
Then you say that was in the past, now we have mended our ways.
So now you have acknowledged that what I said was true and you wish to ignore it.
The truth is that Saddam Hussein moved from being our man in the middle East to Public enemy No 1 when he invaded Iraq and not a day before it. The gassing of the Kurds was convienently forgotten till then.