Fuck you! America! - 22 Reasons I am proud to be Canadian.

[Eastside Revolt]

In the war of 1812, started by America, Canadians pushed the Americans back...past their 'White House'. Then we burned it (and most of Washington) under the command of William Lyon McKenzie, who was insane and hammered all the time. We got bored because they ran away, so we came home and partied... go fifigure.
CANADA they attempted (and failed) to invade. While niether side managed to secure any new territory from the other, the americans did push the "first nation" indians off of their land at the conclusion of the war. During the Invasion of Washington during 1814, Washington was sacked and its public buildings burned by Canadian troops. While the White house did survive the fires, it was badly damaged and burned, and after repairs were effected, the building was white washed to hide the the visible burn and scorch marks (hence, the "White House"). While the original claims by the writer of the email were grandious at best, it is correct regarding the White House. The modern american claim that a foriegn army has never occupied it's shores is of course a lie, as the war of 1812 proves. While we did not 'push back' american troops all the way to Washington, we did invade Washington and set fire to what is NOW the White House.

(Edited by redcanada at 12:45 am on April 5, 2003)

[Anti communist]

What is a canada? What is a canada used for? Let me look it up. Oh, it's that baron waste land north of the US with only about 30 million people. A country that Americans used to be fond of until recent yrs because le french province hates Americans so much and for letting so many illegals through your borders into the US. Funny, they come from the south and they come from the north, but neither Mexico nor Canada is the final destination of illegals coming to North America. Your country is just a resting stop. They know where they can improve their lives.....the US baby.

As far as the war of 1812, chk my links. canada didn't attack the US it was Great Britain. You see canada was just a colony of GB until the mid 1800s and our American Civil War even had an influence on candadian independence. The British stationed in canada attacked Washington DC not canadians. By the way we attacked York, and at the end of the war between the US and GB, we each gave back the land we had taken from each other. There was a war between the US and GB not the US and canada because there was no canada yet.

As far as how the war of 1812 started, it was because the french and British were at war for many yrs. By the way, the reason the French helped us in our independence isn't out of the kindness of their hearts. It was so GB could lose the US colonies thereby weakening the British Empire.

The war of 1812 between the US and GB happened because the British were controlling shipping in the Atlantic. They wanted neutral countries such as the US not to be able to help the french (because GB and france were at war) so we went to war.

So get your facts atraight pal!!!!

http://education.yahoo.com/search/be?lb=t&...3Aw/war_of_1812 (http://education.yahoo.com/search/be?lb=t&p=url%3Aw/war_of_1812)

http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/2/18/h18-2003-e.html

http://www.semo.net/suburb/dlswoff/1812.html

[Eastside Revolt]

Well, your 100 percent wrong, oh well.
Now I wonder whay a canada would burn your whitehouse down.

[Anti communist]

Einstein, did you go to the links?

[Anonymous]

Someone sounds a little wasted if you ask me.

[Anti communist]

I totally missed his first sentence where he said we started the war. We had ships being stopped in the seas, the British started it.

[Pete]

D.C.

Never thought I'd say this, but I agree with you completely.

From Anti-Communist

A country that Americans used to be fond

America only wants our resources and doesn't give a shit past that, or for airforce bases during the Cold War. They have always wanted to annex us, and I wouldn't be surprised if they still do.

le french province

La belle province MERCI BEAUCOUP!

for letting so many illegals through your borders into the US. Funny, they come from the south and they come from the north, but neither Mexico nor Canada is the final destination of illegals coming to North America. Your country is just a resting stop. They know where they can improve their lives.....the US baby

100% Bullshit. Fabrication all of it. We have people at our borders fleeing America.

As far as the war of 1812, chk my links. canada didn't attack the US it was Great Britain. You see canada was just a colony of GB until the mid 1800s and our American Civil War even had an influence on candadian independence.

True

The British stationed in canada attacked Washington DC not canadians.

We had something called a militia, and if you didn't read William Lyon Mackenzie was a Canadian who ended up leading the Upper Canada rebellion that was really a barfight overflowing to York lol.

By the way we attacked York, and at the end of the war between the US and GB, we each gave back the land we had taken from each other. There was a war between the US and GB not the US and canada because there was no canada yet.

Canadians claim victory through our hertiage and the fact that the Canadian militia kicked your ass on a number of occasions, and it was information provided by Laura Secord that helped us force you from our land. That is victory in a war defense.

As far as how the war of 1812 started, it was because the french and British were at war for many yrs. By the way, the reason the French helped us in our independence isn't out of the kindness of their hearts. It was so GB could lose the US colonies thereby weakening the British Empire.

The war started because the American's in the south and on the frontiers where complaining because the natives in the Ohio River Valley, among other locals, where trading furs and such for weapons with the British, anything else is a bullshit excuse because Britian had complied with the demands of the Americans to avoid a second war before it was declared. American agression rolled back. Manifest destiny contained!

The war of 1812 between the US and GB happened because the British were controlling shipping in the Atlantic. They wanted neutral countries such as the US not to be able to help the french (because GB and france were at war) so we went to war.

As I said this was resovled, but the War Hawks, who where mostly in the South and West (because the New England traders where still trading with Canada, and even during the war we traded with eachother DID NOT WANT THE WAR). This statement is a spin of the truth.

With the links, the second one is truth, the first one is american and has your spin on it to show that you didn't lose a war of agression, even though a status quo was signed signifing the agressors defeat and the defenders victory. The third link was just a list of events.

Maybe you should learn your history AC.

[Anti communist]

Hey Petie, are you canadian? No wonder you're so pissed off. You live in a country that is barely noticeable in the shadow of the US. As far as anexing you, we could do that in less time than the war in Iraq but we aren't imperialistic as everyone in this forum claims.

By the way, the US/canada border is the largest unguarded border in the world. Do you think that people don't come over the borders into our western states like Montana?

[Pete]

I am Canadian.

Pissed off at your ignorance.

As far as anexing you, we could do that in less time than the war in Iraq but we aren't imperialistic as everyone in this forum claims.

You are an idiot! LOL!

Do you think that people don't come over the borders into our western states like Montana?

I know they do. We sell you guys weed. LOL!

[Anti communist]

canada grows weed? Or do they import it and then sell it to the US?

[Pete]

The biggest cash crop, if it was legal, in British Columbia, Quebec, and the #2 in Ontario and up there in the prairies is weed.

It is home grown.

[Anti communist]

I did not know that. I heard it is grown a lot in the US like in California, Hawaai, and probably a bunch more remote places, but I didn't know about Canada. Do you guys have a big drug prob up there? Not just from weed, but other harder stuff too?

[Pete]

We dont consider weed a problem ^-^ two (or 3) of the Big 5 parties seek to legalize it so they can get tax revenues.

The others, not so much in the rural areas (which is most of the country) but I hear that it is bigger in the cities (like Toronto Montreal and Vancouver)

[AngelWithNoWings]

i may be wrong, but isnt canada a part of america?...dumbass.

[Pete]

i may be wrong, but isnt canada a part of america?...dumbass.

When Canadians say 'america' we mean the United States of America. We are part of the Americas, and North America but not AMERICA.

[Anti communist]

I don't think legalization would work here. I'm against it. Especially if they are looking to get tax dollars from it. Look at how the cigarette companies are being demonized. The gov't loves making money on cigarette taxes by the way. If they did that with weed it would definitely look ugly. I know they make money on booze taxes. But if they legalize weed and tax it, then you'll probably succed in driving organized crime out of that business like they did with the repeal of prohibition on booze here in the 20's. But to get organized crime out of it, you (companies) would have to grow a lot of it and sell it for a low price so it won't be profitable for criminals. Besides, how do you tax it if you don't sell it in a wholesale, or retail, or or import manner. Who will grow it, individuals or companies?

I guess what I'm saying is that legalizing it or tolerating it is bad enough (in my opinion). But if you tax it also, it's like you are creating a new industry of drugs.

If they're gonna legalize it, then they shouldn't tax it so it won't get to be an industry. And if you just legalize it without taxing it, it will free up a lot of tax dollars that were going into extra law enforcement to counter the drug industry. On the other hands, drug homocides by the drug gangs would go up so maybe it will still be a law enforcement prob.

It's a very complicated issue. I'm against legalization.

[Pete]

You are against it, yet you gave very good reasons for legalizatoin.

[Anti communist]

No, I'm definitely against it. I'm just pondering the possible pros and cons. But I think that the cons vastly outweigh the pros.

Also, I'm worried about the effects on teenagers. If they legalize it and not tax it, then it will be relatively cheap and teens will have easy access too it and smoke their lives away. If they legalize it, and tax it like they do with cigarettes so it's expensive, then they are endorsing drug use in a way because the tax dollars go for this and that programs to help people, etc.

[Pete]

The senate proposal is for people 16 and up to have access to it, in a way like Amsterdam.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Anti communist on 2:55 am on April 5, 2003


As far as how the war of 1812 started, it was because the french and British were at war for many yrs. By the way, the reason the French helped us in our independence isn't out of the kindness of their hearts. It was so GB could lose the US colonies thereby weakening the British Empire.

The war of 1812 between the US and GB happened because the British were controlling shipping in the Atlantic. They wanted neutral countries such as the US not to be able to help the french (because GB and france were at war) so we went to war.

So get your facts atraight pal!!!!




The war of 1812 was not started by the British it was started by the USA. When they sank British trade ship while trying to dammage are trade connections with the West Indies. This basically because the USA was greedy and wanted to piss in GB's pond. Any way then as Red Canada pointed out you guys got trashed and we got a few ships sunk. Plus we also captured New Orleaons.

How do you work out York was captured . No invading "army" has been on british soil since 1066. However french rading parties have been bloodily repulsed several times. Ohh and the scots, but they were technically rebles so they dont really count as a forign army more of a domestic reble army...

[Pete]

AK47

Plus we also captured New Orleaons.

The brits got their ass kicked at New Orleans. And it was after the signing of the Treaty of Ghent.

How do you work out York was captured .

York, aka Toronto, was burned by the Americans, not captured.

You just forgot that Toronto was known as York until sometime in the last 150 years. There is still York University, North York and another thing named York in Toronto.

[Anti communist]

Pete, what's the legal drinking age and smoking age in Canada? Over here, smoking is 18 and I bilieve drinking is 21 in most states.

If they legalize weed in Canada, it should definitely be for 21 yr olds. I don't agree with legalization, and 16 is definitely way too young. Those are still children at that age.

[Blibblob]

Those "children", are the majority of the people on this site that you are debating with. 16 year olds have more of a mind than the "well experienced and wise" 30 year old. Hehe, how old are you? How does it feel to have most of your arguments detered by a bunch of "children". I forget, but the large population of this site is 15 and 16. Who's the oldest again?

[Spartacus2002]

fucking americans... oh well in 10 years i will put a change to this whole canada being a US colony thing, i hate these arrogant pricks, i hope the chinese will like doing business with us cuz the gringos wont be. i am so proud to be canadian, i am glad i am not a frigging yankee... we should burn the whitehouse down again

[Pete]

Smoking and Drinking vary by province. The oldest for either is 19 the youngest is 18.

Canada is much more left wing than America, our government actually thinks that we can make good decisions at a younger age. The 21 year old drinking law is a relic of the days of when voting was reserved for those white males with property over theage of 21. Gota love keeping those traditions kicking after they are opposlete, well unless America tries to keep their students dumb.

[Blibblob]

What? The students are dumb, they are educated in the field that they want, and international politics is left out... Notice I said international, domestic politics is huge, consisting of "america is great", "we overthrew the british, therefore we are the best", "congress is always right". Of course they dont actually say it that way... its just what actually comes out.

[El Barbudo]

I'm from Quebec and I think no one can be proud of being Canadian. Canada sucks. Britishs call us ''American light''. The only people that should be proud to live in Canada are people from Quebec. We hate Canadians and Canada, but its been 150 years that you tried to assimilate us! We resisted 150 years against the United Kingdom and its minions!

Canadians from anywhere but Quebec are pro-american. They make pro-war riots... They are so stupid sometimes...

Also, we asked to separate from Canada and you didnt want. Quebec IS the Canada. We have eletricety and we could be independant. But Canada is nothing without Quebec, so lets yell at them but don't let them go away! We, the fucking frogs, are leftists when albertains and ontarians are republicans, or conservators... This is so stupid.

Vive le Québec libre!
Vive le FLQ!
Vive l'Indépendance!

[Eastside Revolt]

Legalize it, don't criticize it.
Legalize it and I will advertize it.

[Pete]

Quote: from El Barbudo on 3:33 pm on April 5, 2003
I'm from Quebec and I think no one can be proud of being Canadian. Canada sucks. Britishs call us ''American light''. The only people that should be proud to live in Canada are people from Quebec. We hate Canadians and Canada, but its been 150 years that you tried to assimilate us! We resisted 150 years against the United Kingdom and its minions!

Canadians from anywhere but Quebec are pro-american. They make pro-war riots... They are so stupid sometimes...

Also, we asked to separate from Canada and you didnt want. Quebec IS the Canada. We have eletricety and we could be independant. But Canada is nothing without Quebec, so lets yell at them but don't let them go away! We, the fucking frogs, are leftists when albertains and ontarians are republicans, or conservators... This is so stupid.

Vive le Québec libre!
Vive le FLQ!
Vive l'Indépendance!


You are an ignorant bastard my friend. Maybe you should travel beyond your province for once. If not then FUCK OFF! You have no idea how many millions you just generalized into the opinon of thousands. Fuck off man. Really. You are out of your league here. Sure I'm from Canada, yet my mom's family has been in Quebec for over 200 years, my dads about 40. My location means I am pro-American?? ARE YOU THAT FUCKING DENSE??

Alright that is really not how I usually post. It's been along night. One in which I feel like killing something, but wrote a poem instead. Man, just get out of quebec and live in this country. If you don't want to do that, then I thank you for re-enforcing a stereotype which at school I try to get out of the minds of the few people that hold them. Maybe 4 in my class of 400 hold the opinions you seem to think everyone out of your fucking province believe. You are living under a conservative regime are you not? With langauge laws and the such. ... Sorry for the first part, but you deserve a smack in the back of the head for making such idiotic comments.

[Boris Moskovitz]

C'est superbe qu'il y a d'autres Québécois dans cette communauté! ^^

Okay, stereotyping is the worst thing I can ever see. And I am glad that you people no longer make me think Canada is America's pet. Don't worry, I no longer think that. But some people in my class would lick an American feet because America is 'protecting' Canada. Does anyone know what the heck he's talking about?

Anyways, Canada is not US' pet, Chrétien is... But I don't get it, he never disagreed until the Illegal War On Iraq. LMAO! He is too late, most people want him out of his post as PM...

And I am also from Quebec, even though I am a pureblood Vietnamese. But I am fuckin' against America, 100% against. I have never felt for the WTC, since theres much more important things to do. Such as watching crappy shows. But common, don't you people see things worse than WTC? MANY THINGS! Do I goddamn need to list them?

And you Americans have nothing to do with Canada. You don't motherfucking change our laws to the so-called 'American way'. We are fine with our laws, and our traditions. The War on Iraq is illegal, and is now clearly for domination. Even Hitler never put a German as a leader for his occupied countries! Okay, he putted someone from the nation he conquered who supports him, but at least he left a person from the same race. I would go beserk if an American took the post as Prezzie of Vietnam by force, no I am not racist, it is common sense.

People, America is so hated by thye rest of the world, one day, they will go too far, and it will lead them to their fall.

Hoping for the fall of the Americans,
Boris

[Pete]

I am Canadian. Nice rant, but anyways.

One of the real reasons why Canada is better than America is that we all pay tax dollars to give members of a separtist salary to sit in Ottawa and be a thorne in the side of every party ^-^

[Anti communist]

Boris, about America protecting Canada, it's true. Because we are on this continent and have the most powerful military in the world with thousands of nuke bombs pointed at our enemies, means that no enemy of America will attack any nation on the continent or even in the western hemisphere. That's how we are defending you and you don't even know it. Canada doesn't have a single nuke and would be easy pray. Not because Canadians aren't brave or anything like that, but just because you have a smaller military and no nukes.

Remember the Cuban missle crisis? Kennedy addressed the nation and said something like this more or less:

It shall be the policy of this nation that any attack from the Soviet Union against any nation in the western hemisphere, shall be considered an attack on the US and shall be answered with a full retaliatory attack. The actual speech/statement was much more dramatic than that.

Don't you people see that if America didn't have a military presense in places like S Korea, Germany, Japan, etc, none of your countries would exist right now. The Russians or the Chinese or the Saddams of the world would have taken over neighboring countries, ethnicly cleansed the conquered countries, and oppressed the rest of the population.

If America was so much of an Imperialistic country, don't you think we would have kept Germany and Japan after WWII? Instead we did exactly what we are doing in Iraq today. We spent billions rebuilding Europe and Japan after the war and we will do it in Iraq. And because of it, the whole world is better for it and the Germans and Japanese cotrol their countries. Germany, Japan, and Italy wanted to take over the whole world. These were extreme fascists who were going to do this. If Hitler had won, we'd all be speaking German today and no one except blue eyed, blond, white people would still be alive. The US/UK/USSR stopped him. When the war ended (the European part of the war), the US came in from the west, and the USSR from the east. The war ended in Berlin with the US controlling the west side of the city and the USSR controlling the east side. When it became West and East Germany, West Germany prospered while East Germany deteriorated under communism until the fall of the Berlin wall in '89 and the unification of Germany.

As far as the war in Iraq being illegal, that isn't correct. The US is a soverign nation and doesn't answer to the UN. It answers to the US constitution. When the President was sworn into office, he took an oath to defend the country. If 9/11 hadn't happened, we probably would not be at war right now. But after 9/11 it's obvious that a lot of countries want to do us harm so the President is now taking offensive action to prevent another 9/11, he's not ganna sit back and wait to see if it happens again. He is seeking out our enemies and killing them before they kill us.

(Edited by Anti communist at 4:52 am on April 6, 2003)


(Edited by Anti communist at 4:52 am on April 6, 2003)

[Pete]

Anti Communist you indoctrined fool read this interview (http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=40&ItemID=3394).

Canada is your bloody fallout zone. If nuclear war ensued we are just as fucked as you are.

The US is a soverign nation and doesn't answer to the UN. It answers to the US constitution. When the President was sworn into office, he took an oath to defend the country. If 9/11 hadn't happened, we probably would not be at war right now. But after 9/11 it's obvious that a lot of countries want to do us harm so the President is now taking offensive action to prevent another 9/11, he's not ganna sit back and wait to see if it happens again. He is seeking out our enemies and killing them before they kill us.

Nooo man!! This makes him a WAR CRIMINAL if you follow the precident of the Nuremburg Trials. I can't believe how much shit you have just regurgiated, and it makes me sick man. Please read that interview, it diescredits almost everything you have just said.

[Anti communist]

Pete, the simple fact that we have nukes and have shown that we are willing to use them is the only reason that our countries still exist. Because we have these nukes, it deters nuclear war and attacks from other powerful nations.

Have you heard of mutualy assured destruction, MAD? The theory is that the US and USSR have so many nukes pointed at each other that neither one would attack the other because they would perish even if they attacked first. Don't worry about fallout, there won't be a nuke war thanks to the US.

[Pete]

The precident being set with the choice between N. Korea and Iraq should tell us to blame America about a soon to be greatly hostile world, and I bet many will be seeking nukes seeing that that has proteced DPRK.

[Boris Moskovitz]

Anti-Communist... I said ''protecting'', not protecting... Can't you see the big difference? When we say ''Protecting'', it's like the mafia goddamnit! No, US is not our guardian... they are practically dominating Canada!

USA is creating peace? Hahahahahaha! That's a good one! If you know how some of us ''Like'' (Look at the quotation marks goddamnit!) America, you can see it is not a very liked nation. I think it is better if we remove our nukes... but I can see it...

Bush: Okay everyone, we will all remove our nukes for world peace...
Everyone: Well...
Bush: I don't trust you guys, so you do it, then I will
Everyone: Promise?
Bush: Promise
Everybody gets rid of the nukes
Bush: I lied

%&@£ you, warhead-hugger.

[Moskitto]

As far as the war of 1812, chk my links. canada didn't attack the US it was Great Britain. You see canada was just a colony of GB until the mid 1800s and our American Civil War even had an influence on candadian independence.

I thought Canada was still in the British Empire during the first world war, afterall, the British Empire peaked in size in 1920 and canada is the second biggest country in the world.

[Blibblob]

Well, you can technically say that Canada is STILL a colony of Great Britain. They haven't claimed full independence from the throne. Same with Austrailia, they have seperate governments, but still have something to do with the queen.

[El Barbudo]

Dear Crazy Pete,

You say Canada isnt pro-american.

-But when in Montreal, 250000 people were walking for peace, 25000 were walking at Toronto and 2000 at Ottawa.
-There are pro-war manifestations in Alberta.
-People from Liberal Party of Ontario send message to W, asking him to forgive Canada for being peaceful.

I agree, i wrote stereotyp shit in my last mail. There are anti-americans people in Canada. There are anti-war people in Canada. But when 85% of Quebecers are against war, 65% of Canadian from anywhere but Quebec say they are with Bush! That sucks. Don't be furious again't me, I agree that there are communists and pacifists in Canada, but not as many as in Quebec.

P.S. In World War I and II, 70% of Canadians where for conscription when 27% in Quebec... Aren't we peaceful?

[El Barbudo]

Also, u say canadians are paying so separatists can sit in Ottawa... it's called DEMOCRACY! Quebecers vote for Separatists, then Separatists must sit in Ottawa. They defend us from Alliance's Farmers and Ontario's Liberals of shit. We could say we pay for Alliance's Facists to sit in Ottawa too.

P.S. Quebec is the only place where there is a social-democrat governement. All provinces got their fucking conservator governement.

Vive la Révolution Québécoise!
Vive l'Indépendance!
Fuck Canada!

[Pete]

I thought Canada was still in the British Empire during the first world war, afterall, the British Empire peaked in size in 1920 and canada is the second biggest country in the world.

The relation was wierd. We could do what we wanted in our own land and the places that were still British colonies, and to some extend with America, but for all major international treaties we had to get Westminister's approval.

We also had/have a governenor general who supposively can veto anything, but they never have and never will. If the do/did we would have/will just ignore his decision. It is that simple.

In the Statue of Westminister of 1931 all provinces of the British Dominion where given the right of self determination supposively. Canada took it, but allowed Westminister to hold our constitution because of vicious infighting with Quebec.

In WWII we declared war because we felt we should support Britian for what it had given us, and we where subject to the propaganda and disgusted by preemptive attacks, as we are today.

In 1949, with the joining of Newfoundland to Canada with a referendum vote of 51 YES to 49 NO my country reached its present size.

Around 1969 Pierre Eliot Trudeau became Prime Minister, an office he would hold in some capacity until 1984 (with a breif vacation when Clark held office for 6 months). Part of his mandate was creating the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, on which the EU's Charter is based. As well he nationalized our Constitution, the BNA Act 1867, and added an amending formula and the Charter, which became the Constitution Act, 1984.

Since 1984 there have been a few failed attempts at greater unity between the provinces. Mostly because the Fed's offer Quebec Distinct Society statis, but in reality every region is distinct, and you cannot say that Quebec is alone at that. BC is distinct from Alberta is distince from Nunavut (created in 1999, Innu self-governing territory). The east coast is different from ontario is different from Quebec.

Obviously we have mass of infighting, we always have, it just has not been violent since the FLQ Crisis of 1969 when 1 man was murdered, and another kidnapped (I could be wrong). Before that we have had numerous rebellions, most from the Colonial Era, but the Red River Rebellion took place in the 1890's I believe, and involved Louis Reil, a metis lawyer/politician, who was hung in montreal. He was also French. Not a good thing to happen in Montreal, the centre of French Canada at the time (it has shifted to Quebec City).

In 1995 we had the last Quebec Referendum which was barely defeated, there had been 2 prior, and each defeated by a smaller majority voting NON. I have drifted awy from internal politics in the recent years, because it makes me queasy sometimes, especially the Canadian Alliance, which comes from Alberta mainly and is right wing as hell. Why is it rightwingers are attracted to Oil? (oil makes Alberta one of the richest provinces...they do not have a PST)

Well that is a nice short history of Canada. haha. Didn't expect to do that. I could go on for ever, as I have missed so much.

[Pete]

El:

People from Liberal Party of Ontario send message to W, asking him to forgive Canada for being peaceful.

That was the primier of Ontario who was not elected and is heavilly lacking popular support. He will fail miserably in the next election and is currently trying to buy election votes, but remember the PC's before Jean came to power. That is what will happen here.

I agree that there are communists and pacifists in Canada, but not as many as in Quebec.

Yes, but compared to the amount that where pro war demonstrating, maybe 2000 in the whole country, Toronto has a lot of support. Toronto is also 48% 1st or 2nd generation immigrants, and most do not have english as a first language. It is a different environemnt, although Montreal is more diverse is it not?

Ontario is laid back, trust me. We wnat to do stuff but we never do. Our sentiments are most powerful when it comes election day, holding, with quebec, the deciding factor in who rules.

Quebec is the only place where there is a social-democrat governement. All provinces got their fucking conservator governement.

There are NDP governments, like in Manitoba where Tution was rolled back 10% last year.

u say canadians are paying so separatists can sit in Ottawa

and I am saying that it is a good thing!

There are pro-war manifestations in Alberta.

Alberta is a conservative hell hole, from my personal experience and what I have read. They have the oil they have the money they do not want to loose either.

[Invader Zim]

well that was most certaily an education thanks pete.

[Wolfie]

Everyone knows Canada is better than the US, end of story.

[hazard]

good string, brothers

besides new orleans and washington, Canada also held Detroit from the outset of the war

the british, if anybody remembers history, could not participate in this war in north america until after 1814. rememeber napoleon? u should. HE started the war in europe. then america, being the oppurtunistic pigs they are, thought "yo, canada's nuthin. all we gots to do is march and we can conquer 'em". so, they tried. and failed miserably, not holding a town OR WINNING a single battle north of the border. some invasion. british had to let their canadian colonials do all the fighting, and winning I may add, until the war was officially over. america blows.

the great american legacy of fact manipulation begins after the conclusion of this war. despite their failed invasion and humiliating lossess to canadian forces without british help, the americans started spinning the facts to make it seem as though they had somehow emerged victorious. so they said " yo, we held our own against the british, so actually, we won". lying pigs. they didn't even ever really fight the british, so thats a stretch. they didn't really hold their own, so thats an exageration. they didn't meet a single of their objectives, but they say they won. thats an outright lie.

and when they lost vietnam, they said that wasn't even a war. bunch of liars.

[Pete]

BRITISH/CANADIAN TROOPS NEVER HELD NEW ORLEANS!

[hazard]

you're probably right

someone else said they did and I dint feel like arguing

the battle of new orleans was a massacre that took place after the war had ended, and was the only victory america had in the whole bloody affair. thats the only thing I really know about new orleans. the fact that the BNA forces had troops spread so far throughout america should be a big clue as to who won that war.

[Pete]

Tis true that part.

My good comrades and friends, let me say this.

America relies on Canada too much economically for it ever to risk pulling out completely from our trade.

[Anti communist]

I don't care what happened 150 yrs ago. All I know is that your country could never beat the US in a modern war, and I'm not even talking about using nukes cause you don't have any.

Until recently I thought of Canada as I did the UK. 3 countries with very good relations. Seeing how you guys hate the US/UK is making me change my mind on Canada.

[abstractmentality]

Quote: from Anti communist on 8:58 pm on April 6, 2003
All I know is that your country could never beat the US in a modern war, and I'm not even talking about using nukes cause you don't have any.

so, by this rational, the best country is the one with the strongest military? because, if that is what you are saying, then an authoritarian military state would be your best option, yet you champion the "liberating" of iraq from an "authoritarian" leader.

just seems kinda weird that the rating of a country is based on its military strength in your above sentence. in my eyes that never enters the equation.

(Edited by abstractmentality at 9:30 pm on April 6, 2003)

[hazard]

i wouldn't be so sure, anti

just like vietnam couldn't beat the states in a modern war?

maybe you should take a good, long, careful look at the namesake of this site

in particular, some of his writings and what they are about. you define modern war for me.

[El Barbudo]

like Iraq couldnt beat USA in a modern war? Do you know what's going to happen in Bagdad's streets? Blood Bath. Pentagon fear a 45% of lost for americans troops. They send bout 400000 soldiers I think so that means maybe 200000 deaths... Now, imagine a country like France who got nuclear weapons,,,

[El Barbudo]

Thanks for the post Pete...
But I want to know something: If the separatists would win a referendum about Independance of Quebec, would you agree to let us go away from Canada? Then what would be Canada? I also eared that Alberta wanted to separate... Is this true?

[Pete]

El,

I would support the separation and cutting up of Canada if that is what the people will. Self determination. The Cree, who have rights to Northern Quebec have stated, though, many times that they would not follow the rest of Quebec. That is their treaty right. I also would not doubt that Montreal would have a counter referendum to rejoin Canada. It would be like forming Laurentia instead of what we call Quebec today.

Alberta wants to go, but their movement has only ever garnered the support of 5% of the population. I did an assignment on it last semester. Aswell Newfoundland wants to leave, and they are claiming the case that the referendum that allowed them to enter Canada was fraudualant, whcih I would not doubt.

So basically Quebec says its different, Alberta says they never wanted to be in Canada and that they were not treated correctly under the Statue of Westminister, and Newfoundland is screaming FRAUD!

Vive la ROA, ROQ, et RON!

Also if Quebec seperates I would only support a full seperation. None of this 'we will take what suits us and ignore the rest' bullshit that they tried to pull before. If Quebec goes, all of the Crown Corporations and Federal Jobs would go too.

[Felicia]

Quote: from Anti communist on 1:52 am on April 5, 2003
I did not know that. I heard it is grown a lot in the US like in California, Hawaai, and probably a bunch more remote places, but I didn't know about Canada. Do you guys have a big drug prob up there? Not just from weed, but other harder stuff too?

Ja, canada is the third biggest supplier of "high quality" weed tho the US, next to mexico and colombia.....

[OzWizard]

It's only a problem when they run out.
Don't believe anything this kid says anyway. Someone who argues that the US didn't lose the Vietnam War because 'we killed more of them' is either
a) under the influence of methamphetamine
B) under the age of 6
c) under a severe misapprehension as to the gullbility of people who aren't fed on Fox news nightly
or
d) understood to be less than the full quid by anyone who can read AND write.
The US is not all powerful. It is rarely 'right' about anything involving the rest of the world due to the woeful knowledge about the rest of the world its citizens possess. (Did you know where Afghanistan was before you started bombing it, Anti? or Kosovo? or Somalia? or any of the other myriad nations you've attacked since 1945?)
The US meddles constantly in the affairs of other countries- especially democratically elected governments with left leaning tendencies. (Ever heard of Salvador Allende, Anti? Did you know that the US has acknowledged its role in murdering the democratically elected leader of an allied country, and installing a murderous dictator, still wanted for crimes against humanity? Did you?)
The US has, since independance, sought to clothe its blatant acts of self-interest in terms of 'democracy and freedom'. Count up the countries the US has invaded, starting with the indigenous nations of North America, moving to the Phillipines, Cuba and then all the counries after WW2 and you'll find the US is matched only by France and Britain interms of its history of naked aggression. Europe did it in the name of 'civilisation' and caused most of the problems of todays third world, while America does it in the name of 'democracy' while creating problems that may spell the end of the most remarkable achievements true human civilisation has been able to produce in the history of the world, namely international agencies for the prevention of war, famine, plagues and genocide.
Whatever happens in Iraq will happen, nothing anyone says in the next 10 minutes on this website will change that.
But the effect of discarding the UN will be felt by all of us for the next 100 years.
Americans who believe in the precepts of their own constitution would do well to support the international agencies whose charters are based on that very same constitution.
Good night.

[Anti communist]

El barbudo, change your name to EL BURRO!!! Maybe you haven't seen the news. We are in the center of Bahgdad aleady and we are fighting in the streets. Fri or Sat we killed 2000-3000 of the enemy and only lost 1 on our side on that first trip int the city. Some of our guys are spending the night at one of Saddam's palaces. Turn on Fox news and you'll see. CNN and Al Jazeera won't show it because they hate the US and can't stand our success.

The funny part is that the information minister of Iraq says that they have defeated us and repelled us while we are inside Saddam's palace right across the street from him.

[Pete]

CNN is anti American? What the hell are you smoking?

Check of CBC Anti. It reports everything both governments say and seems to not believe either 100% because America and Iraq have lied too much already for the '2000 of them dead and 1 of us' to mean anything to the world. As well the Iraqi claim that 'American soldiers are commiting suicide in the streets' is bullshit. Both sides lie. Only you don't realize that, do you? I wrote a paper last night and that was one of my points. Venture into the IL forum it is called 1984 meets America.

[hazard]

i believe the iraqi stance more than the american stance

the capitalists not only lie to me, but lie to me every second of every day. every newspaper, every tv show, every bullshit ad. LIES!

so far, Iraq doesn't need to lie to me nor have they tried

fuck the bullshit of corporate propaganda

[Pete]

Hazard, the Iraqi's have sprouted less bullshit than America but do you believe that the US troops are committing mass sucide outside of Baghdad in fear of the Iraqi's like the Iraqi Info Ministry claimed today?

No they are both lying and are both in for their own self interests. My only hope is that the Iraqi people can through off the puppets America will establish!

[hazard]

isn't mass suicide supposed to be some sort of analogy?

the Iraqi press cannot possibly mean that american sldiers are shooting themselves on the streets

maybe they mean that their simply being there is like committing suicide. or something like that

what about the translators? last time I checked, cnn and the american right wing free press enterprizes handpicked and paid their own translators to not just translate from iraq, but to interpret the words in a capitalist way

[lostsoul]

the way some think the americian way of life is the best, and america is the best nation..is surely simlair to the mongols when they were powerful.

but now look at them.


America's day will come..i just feel sad because the assholes that are causing shit won't suffer since they'll be long gone, their children will suffer.

Look all over the world, people are fed up with america, people are openly speaking out about their hatred against the states, it's only time til they take action and get revenage. There's so way to avoid what America has coming for it.

[Capitalist Imperial]

canada is what the USA would have been if we had lost the revolution

weak, soft, a non-factor at best, relying on the power and success of nations that actually got things done and achieved their objectives

don't take canadians bullshit to seriously, If the US withdrew all trade and diplomatic ties with canada, they would be on their knees begging us and eating the peanuts out of American's shit within a month so we would put them back on or lap

they are basically the 51st state, anyway

[lostsoul]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 12:56 am on April 28, 2003
canada is what the USA would have been if we had lost the revolution

weak, soft, a non-factor at best, relying on the power and success of nations that actually got things done and achieved their objectives

don't take canadians bullshit to seriously, If the US withdrew all trade and diplomatic ties with canada, they would be on their knees begging us and eating the peanuts out of American's shit within a month so we would put them back on or lap

they are basically the 51st state, anyway

Canada may be not be a bully, but thats not a bad thing. I take it your americian, go travel a bit around the world, and see how your treated. Amercians are one of the most hated people in the world. When i was in the middle east last summer, i read in the papers everyday of attempted and actually murders on amercians and british, all over.

i used to feel that same way you do about canada, but lately i think out of the capialists countries it is one of the best, simply because of us acceptance towards others. Its a melting pot of people all over the world, and people here are treated respectfully. In the summer when i went to Lansing and chicago(not that bad in chicago tho), people were swearing at me and giving me the finger, for what? cause i look different. As long as the americian mentality is to fear anything different they will be only digging their own grave.

Amercians on their own are not very cleaver, most of your sciencist are from other countries.(the long range missles you love sooo much, were actually made by a chinese guy. i forgot the guys name, but he was working on it for 20 years i read).

Its strange, a country that got its power from foriengers, treats forginers so badly.

[CubanFox]

I'd rather live in a toothless tiger of a nation rather than one that has several dozen terrorist networks out to destroy it.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Quote: from Anti communist on 2:55 am on April 5, 2003
What is a canada? What is a canada used for? Let me look it up. Oh, it's that baron waste land north of the US with only about 30 million people. A country that Americans used to be fond of until recent yrs because le french province hates Americans so much and for letting so many illegals through your borders into the US. Funny, they come from the south and they come from the north, but neither Mexico nor Canada is the final destination of illegals coming to North America. Your country is just a resting stop. They know where they can improve their lives.....the US baby.

As far as the war of 1812, chk my links. canada didn't attack the US it was Great Britain. You see canada was just a colony of GB until the mid 1800s and our American Civil War even had an influence on candadian independence. The British stationed in canada attacked Washington DC not canadians. By the way we attacked York, and at the end of the war between the US and GB, we each gave back the land we had taken from each other. There was a war between the US and GB not the US and canada because there was no canada yet.

As far as how the war of 1812 started, it was because the french and British were at war for many yrs. By the way, the reason the French helped us in our independence isn't out of the kindness of their hearts. It was so GB could lose the US colonies thereby weakening the British Empire.

The war of 1812 between the US and GB happened because the British were controlling shipping in the Atlantic. They wanted neutral countries such as the US not to be able to help the french (because GB and france were at war) so we went to war.

So get your facts atraight pal!!!!

http://education.yahoo.com/search/be?lb=t&...3Aw/war_of_1812 (http://education.yahoo.com/search/be?lb=t&p=url%3Aw/war_of_1812)

http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/2/18/h18-2003-e.html

http://www.semo.net/suburb/dlswoff/1812.html


You as a patriotic proud American, fighting for freedom, liberty and the constitution....a..yes, we love the Americans..they're so kind.especially their foreign policy.

No just kidding, so don't you feel ashamed to live in a country that would have been crushed without France?

Or are you going to change the history books, calling the French troops no longer French troops but Freedom troops.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 12:56 am on April 28, 2003
canada is what the USA would have been if we had lost the revolution

weak, soft, a non-factor at best, relying on the power and success of nations that actually got things done and achieved their objectives

don't take canadians bullshit to seriously, If the US withdrew all trade and diplomatic ties with canada, they would be on their knees begging us and eating the peanuts out of American's shit within a month so we would put them back on or lap

they are basically the 51st state, anyway


Actually after 11/9 the US economy dropped and many expected the Canadian economy to fall with it, but appareantly they had built a such a great variety of clients that their economy grew.

[CanucksDontGiveAFawk]

Not only do we sell you weed, we have some of the best in the world. Better than that scraggy bunk dirt weed I smoked when I last visited the US. Oh, and by the way, dont blame your stupidity on Canada and Mexico, if illegials are getting into your ****ry, its because you guys are letting them in. If you don't want them there, man the points of entry DUMBASS! Think of it this way, if you dont want someone to enter your house uninvited, you put a lock on the door. correct?

[Urban Rubble]

You can call the U.S alot of things, but you can't say we have bad weed. Of course there is going to be some shitty weed, everywhere has it, but for the most part, at least up north, our shit is good. When dealing with weed, the term Canadian is derogatory to us. Not to say you guys have all bad weed, but what gets sent down here is shit.

[Kapitan Andrey]

...I read all this topic...but I don't know, what to belive!?!?

[Anonymous]

Quote: from CrazyPete on 10:01 am on April 7, 2003
El,

I would support the separation and cutting up of Canada if that is what the people will. Self determination. The Cree, who have rights to Northern Quebec have stated, though, many times that they would not follow the rest of Quebec. That is their treaty right. I also would not doubt that Montreal would have a counter referendum to rejoin Canada. It would be like forming Laurentia instead of what we call Quebec today.

Alberta wants to go, but their movement has only ever garnered the support of 5% of the population. I did an assignment on it last semester. Aswell Newfoundland wants to leave, and they are claiming the case that the referendum that allowed them to enter Canada was fraudualant, whcih I would not doubt.

So basically Quebec says its different, Alberta says they never wanted to be in Canada and that they were not treated correctly under the Statue of Westminister, and Newfoundland is screaming FRAUD!

Vive la ROA, ROQ, et RON!

Also if Quebec seperates I would only support a full seperation. None of this 'we will take what suits us and ignore the rest' bullshit that they tried to pull before. If Quebec goes, all of the Crown Corporations and Federal Jobs would go too.


What are the chances that one of these provinces might join the Union?

[Pete]

They have more inner nationalism (perhaps minus Alberta) and hate for America than to join with your Union. Newfoundland would go solo, it has before. Quebec obviously solo, and Alberta. Their isn't a serious threat there.

[Loknar]

CrazyPete

Is canada in danger of breaking up?

[Pete]

If you asked me this in 1995 I would have said 'yes.' Now I say 'no.'