Why You Shouldn't Believe Bourgeois Propaganda

[TheRedRevolutionary]

It has come to my attention that many of the younger people here have developed false notions of communism and more specifically Marxism-Leninism which is not surprising considering the massive propaganda offensive made against the authentic revolutionary theory by the bourgeoisie. For our young members I would like to use this thread to explain precisely why the bourgeois propaganda you may have learned in your school and on TV is wrong, slanted and bias.

1. The ruling class, which effectively controls all media and education, creates it in its own image. Put simply, they bastardize the information to make themselves look good and their mortal enemy, the Communist Revolutionary as bad and their leaders as bad as possible, regardless of fact.

[spartan]

1. The ruling class, which effectively controls all media and education, creates it in its own image. Put simply, they bastardize the information to make themselves look good and their mortal enemy, the Communist Revolutionary as bad and their leaders as bad as possible, regardless of fact.

The working class doesn't need any leaders.:reda::star::redstar2000:

[Q]

Yes, the bourgeoisie puts out propaganda, big news. Yes, they attack and misrepresent the ideas on Marx, Lenin and others. But then again, so do you mister "TheRedRevolutionary". Stalinism has put itself into the dustbin of history, please stay there.

[LOLseph Stalin]

That's true. Like here in Canada, people are beginning to become more and more right because of influence from their political leaders and such. Also, the US could be contributing to it alot as well as they're like the most right-wing nation on the planet. I'm scared being so close to them. O_O

[chegitz guevara]

It has come to my attention that many of the younger people here have developed false notions of communism and more specifically Marxism-Leninism which is not surprising considering the massive propaganda offensive made against the authentic revolutionary theory by the bourgeoisie. For our young members I would like to use this thread to explain precisely why the bourgeois propaganda you may have learned in your school and on TV is wrong, slanted and bias.

1. The ruling class, which effectively controls all media and education, creates it in its own image. Put simply, they bastardize the information to make themselves look good and their mortal enemy, the Communist Revolutionary as bad and their leaders as bad as possible, regardless of fact.

In other news, the sky is blue. Although . . . sometimes it's gray. And sometimes bourgeois propaganda is telling the truth. In fact, most of the time they tell the truth. The reason for this is simple. If they lied most of the time, people would see the evidence with their own eyes and stop trusting the media. Instead, the media tells the truth most of the time to gain trust and only lies on very important things . . . except when the truth supports their agenda. The Communists really did kill 1.5 million in Cambodia. That supports the capitalist agenda, so they're happy to tell the truth. Castro is very popular. That doesn't support the capitalist agenda, so they lie.

So how will you ever know the truth? Obviously it's stupid to merely disbelieve everything. Then you would need to become a flat Earther who believes the Moon landings were faked, among other silliness. Rather, instead of judging the message by the messenger, use the scientific method, although that too is an instrument of bourgeois repression. Oh noes!

It's good to be open minded. Just don't be so open that your brain falls out the back of your head.

[TheRedRevolutionary]

The working class doesn't need any leaders.:reda::star::redstar2000:

Wow, thanks Krotpotkinist for completely ignoring the subject of this thread and nipick my statement to make a stupid anarchist point. Oh yes we don't need 'leaders' , revolutions will starts, battles will be fought and no one will lead anyone! No one will tell anyone where to go, where to meet, what the agenda is for today....Of course not, since that would be "authoritarian" :lol:

And the anarchist-PC language of using "facilitators" or whatever word you want to use impresses no one. They are just "clever" terms that in the last analysis mean nothing; you haven't replaced the concept by changing its name!

[Sam_b]

Put simply, they bastardize the information to make themselves look good and their mortal enemy, the Communist Revolutionary as bad and their leaders as bad as possible, regardless of fact.

Yes. So do most people in the positions of power.

FOX News did it, so did Stalin. Whats your point, caller?

[TheRedRevolutionary]

Whats your point, caller?

Point is that despite it being obvious many people here will just regurgitate bourgeois claptrap over and over again or sometimes wonder why the media is biased and never talks about socialism. I wouldn't have posted it if I didn't see the propaganda being uncritically internalized in kiddie after kiddie.

[spice756]

That's true. Like here in Canada, people are beginning to become more and more right because of influence from their political leaders and such. Also, the US could be contributing to it alot as well as they're like the most right-wing nation on the planet. I'm scared being so close to them. O_O


It not really US influence or propaganda in Canada that is causing people beginning to move to the right.It is the creation of the middle class!! They don't like the NDP and the left because of high taxes.

They also like the upper class and are influence by the upper class and money.That look at it this way people are better of in Canada now than the 60's and 70's.The people in Canada slowing are turning into petti-bourgeoisie

The education and healthcare there is more and more bills being pass in (parlement) moving it to right and so is Social welfare and government housing for the poor.

[LOLseph Stalin]

It not really US influence or propaganda in Canada that is causing people beginning to more to the right.It is the creation of the middle class!! They don't like the NDP and the left because of high taxes.

They also like the upper class and are influence by the upper class and money.That look at this way people better of in Canada now than the 60's and 70's.The people in Canada slowing turning into petti-bourgeoisie

I would rather pay high taxes than be oppressed by right-wing Capitalists. It seems everything nowadays is determined by how much money you have. The wealthier you are, the more people tend to look up to you. I'm unemployed so everybody just thinks of me as a poor lazy bum. There's several reasons why i'm not working right now.

[bcbm]

Point is that despite it being obvious many people here will just regurgitate bourgeois claptrap over and over again or sometimes wonder why the media is biased and never talks about socialism. I wouldn't have posted it if I didn't see the propaganda being uncritically internalized in kiddie after kiddie.

Looks gramps, if you want to try and dispel some bourgeois myths go for it, but calling people "kiddie" isn't going to get you very far. Beyond that, just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they're just buying into bourgeois propaganda. In all likelihood, neither your analysis of history nor theirs is entirely correct and we can only ever come to an approximation of the truth. Come up with a point or shut up.

And nobody uses the term "Kropotkinist," get with the program.

[JimmyJazz]

Wow, thanks Krotpotkinist for completely ignoring the subject of this thread and nipick my statement to make a stupid anarchist point.

oshit spartan, you gonna take that??? :scared:

RR: I think he was only kidding, from his posts I'd say he's more of a trot-goat than anything.

[spice756]

I would rather pay high taxes than be oppressed by right-wing Capitalists. It seems everything nowadays is determined by how much money you have. The wealthier you are, the more people tend to look up to you. I'm unemployed so everybody just thinks of me as a poor lazy bum. There's several reasons why i'm not working right now.


The middle class are the most influence .Not so much the poor and lower class.

The middle class looks at big house and say :(One day I'm going live like that or get a bigger house.

The poor and lower class say hay you could be living like me .

The middle class are the most influence .The high taxes debates is all to divide people and move people to the right.


capitalism is me and I ,greed that get rich
communism and socialism is we not me.More people helping other people.Not this rich and greed stuff.

[Sam_b]

Point is that despite it being obvious many people here will just regurgitate bourgeois claptrap over and over again or sometimes wonder why the media is biased and never talks about socialism. I wouldn't have posted it if I didn't see the propaganda being uncritically internalized in kiddie after kiddie.


You have to look at the other side of this debate - nobody here is arguing that bourgeois propoganda was used and is used in order to maintain the positions of the ruling class - but it simply isn't good enough to use this as an explaination when criticisms are levelled at the likes of Stalin, Mao and Hoxha.

All in all we need an unbiased look at history and never to pander to cult of personality figures. Its ok and healthy to level criticisms at Trotsky, for example, and it is as well for Stalin. The problem is a lot of so-called 'anti-revisionists' on here don't seem to get that message.

[Incendiarism]

I think it's because the marxist-leninists have heard it all before. We don't need to reiterate that Stalin killed people, we know this, and all it comes down to is some moral tug-of-war between those who oppose stalin/mao/hoxha/etc and those who support.

Not saying I'm a big fan of Stalin, just that we should all be able to easily empathize because all of our ideas are misconstrued by the media.

[shorelinetrance]

Cultural hegemony anyone? Doesn't that accurately explain why individuals in bourgeois society regard leftist ideals as wrong?

[bcbm]

All in all we need an unbiased look at history

We certainly do, but that would be completely impossible.

[AJLaw]

The working class doesn't need any leaders.:reda::star::redstar2000:


yes they do, as it is apparent in the US. all you ever hear people do is complain the whole time and go on strikes due to low pay or poor working conditions and after the strike is successful, people are fine with the bare standards when things could be a hundred times better. but bourgeois subliminal bigotry is making people think that things cant get any better, similar to there being no step after a democracy.... **cough**socialism**cough**. the working class needs leaders to make people realize that things could be a whole lot better and that change is in their grasp and also someone to lead them into a socialist revolution. but of course its easier said than done...:p