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Saorsa
29th September 2008, 09:47
http://mikeely.wordpress.com/2008/09/28/to-prachanda-in-a-hostile-world-how-are-you-going-to-do-it/

To Prachanda: In a Hostile World, How Are You Going to Do It? (http://mikeely.wordpress.com/2008/09/28/to-prachanda-in-a-hostile-world-how-are-you-going-to-do-it/)

Posted by Mike E (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1129785784) on September 28, 2008
An initial transcription of one question asked of Prachanda (http://mikeely.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/prachanda-nyc-speech-a-maoist-vision-for-a-new-nepal/)at New York's New School Eventv (Thanks to Artemio (http://mikeely.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/prachanda-nyc-speech-a-maoist-vision-for-a-new-nepal/#comment-7488)).
Photos are available from Jon (http://flickr.com/photos/jonprc/sets/72157607540392093/) of Kasama/Philadelphia.
Question from the Floor:

Lal Saalam. It's a very exciting time in Nepal. You are carrying out a national democratic revolution. You are also the first communist to become head of state in many years, in my lifetime — and I am not a young man.
How do you plan to reconcile the serious tasks of national democratic, even new democratic revolution in nepal with the crisis the world is going under — considering the actions of the United States government, the Europeans, and the hegemonists who believe a handful of nations can dominate the rest of the world into backwardness?


How you gonna do it?
PM Prachanda answers:

Concrete analysis of concrete conditions is the soul of Marxism. What we are doing is concrete analysis of concrete conditions and we are devising our policy and program according to the changed situation of the first decade of the 21st century.


And what we are doing, as Prof. Arato also raised this question– very savily and very provocatively, you know. I understand the depth of history and dynamics of its expression you know. But what we are doing in the first decades of the 21st century is concrete analysis of concrete conditions. We are trying to understand the whole phenomenon of the change, the revolution and development of communication and electronic sciences, and the change that occur.


Time and again, when i have a serious debate and discussion with intellectuals from developed countries, many western intellectuals. Time and again I say that we are trying to understand the changed phenomenon, and we are trying to develop our ideology according to the changed situation.


But you always blame us from very sectarian and dogmatic, and very self centered understanding. I try to have a serious debate and discussion with that kind of intellectual. Why we can't have multiparty competition? Why we have raised the questions of election constituent assembly. Why we participate in government and the radical change, and radical restructuring of the state.


According to my understanding, this is the development of ideology. This is the development of science itself. And we do not want to be rigid, to be static, to be sectarian and dogmatic. We want to be more vibrant.

Discussions during War


When we were in the war itself, just after the initiation of the war, 5 years after the initiation of war, we had a serious debate and disucussion inside our ranks, one and a half years of debate about the democracy. Either we should support multiparty competition or not.


[unclear]


We devised this multi party competition while we were in the war. We were waging war and we were victorious at that time, you know.


At that time we have a serious discussion and what we devised is that if Lenin had lived another 5 or 10 years he would also introduce multiparty competition, this is my understanding. (Applause, few words from Prahanda unclear).. so creative and so dynamic that, during this New Economic Policy, just after the October Revolution and this War Communism had finished, and the civil war had finished, he introduced NEP, this NEP was in essence a capitalistic economic policy. He gave the slogan" Organize Socialist Competition in the Economy"… When he introduced the slogan of organizing competition in the economy. If he would have lived another 5 years he would have introduced competition in politics.


Therefore it is not something we are suprisingly making this multiparty competition. Because Stalin had made a serious mistake of ideology, in philosophy, in science- and all of the workers movement has taken so much loss from this deviation from dialectal materialism. This is our understanding — what we think and believe.


We are fully confident that we are developing the ideology from Lenin, not from Stalin. And this multi-party competiton is the product of that ideological development.


Thank You.

RedDawn
29th September 2008, 10:22
This is stupid, he claims that Lenin even wanted the NEP!

The NEP was a stop-gap measure to insure that a decade of World War I and the civil war didn't rip the Russian economy to shreds even more.

Had an advanced industrialized state like Germany or the United States become socialist Russia would have never needed to introduce the NEP.

He is just using this multiparty democracy stuff to justify his stages theory, that a liberal capitalist state is necessary before a socialist one.

Good article here: http://socialistworld.net/eng/2008/04/23nepala.html

Saorsa
29th September 2008, 10:40
This is stupid, he claims that Lenin even wanted the NEP!

No he doesn't.


The NEP was a stop-gap measure to insure that a decade of World War I and the civil war didn't rip the Russian economy to shreds even more.

He doesn't deny this. The NEP was also entirely necessary, as are the current policies of the Maoists which do not totally dispense with capital before feudalism has been wiped out, and only shortly after slavery has been abolished!

Had an advanced industrialized state like Germany or the United States become socialist Russia would have never needed to introduce the NEP.

This statement (which is true) totally validates what Prachanda is saying. Because there are NO socialist countries to help Nepal, because it is extremely underdeveloped and because imperialism is not nearly as weak as it was follow WW1, they need to follow a NEP style approach (obviously not an exact copy of that approach, but one with the same basic premise, i.e. using capitalistic forces to devlop the country and it's productive capabilities).



He is just using this multiparty democracy stuff to justify his stages theory, that a liberal capitalist state is necessary before a socialist one.

Um, no. Maoism does not advocate a "liberal capitalist state". It advocates an alliance between the proletariat and all classes interested in struggling against feudalism and imperialism to complete the democratic revolution, whose conclusion heralds the beginning of the socialist revolution.

I've read the article before, and it's idealistic, dogmatic and utopian. I have a lot of respect for the CWI comrades in a lot of areas, and my organisation has very good links with the Socialist Party in Australia - we send people to each other's conferences. But one area where I don't think much of the CWI are their international analyses.

Kitskits
29th September 2008, 19:21
Therefore it is not something we are suprisingly making this multiparty competition. Because Stalin had made a serious mistake of ideology, in philosophy, in science- and all of the workers movement has taken so much loss from this deviation from dialectal materialism. This is our understanding — what we think and believe.


We are fully confident that we are developing the ideology from Lenin, not from Stalin. And this multi-party competiton is the product of that ideological development.


Thank You.

What's this shit? What does this guy have to do with maoism? He is anti-marxist-leninist and it is very evident.

Die Neue Zeit
29th September 2008, 19:25
This is stupid, he claims that Lenin even wanted the NEP!

The NEP was a stop-gap measure to insure that a decade of World War I and the civil war didn't rip the Russian economy to shreds even more.

And why, then, did the nationalization drive not begin until the civil war?

[Honestly, the Bolsheviks, in spite of any real or superficial agreements between Lenin and Trotsky in April 1917, allowed private enterprise to develop on a large scale and only nationalized when workers REALLY demanded such.]

Saorsa
30th September 2008, 02:36
What's this shit? What does this guy have to do with maoism? He is anti-marxist-leninist and it is very evident.

Marxism is not a religion. Just because a revolutionary leader says and does things that do not exactly match what was advocated by Lenin in 1917/Stalin in in 1935/Mao in 1949/whoever whenever, does not mean they are "anti-Marxist". Your approach is dogmatic and undialectical.

The jury is obviously still out on whether the path taken by the CPN (M) up til now is the right one, and whether their notion of multi-party democracy under socialism is a good one. But I for one am very excited and inspired by what has been achieved so far, and I think it's excellent that they're rejecting the failed ideas of the past and trying to come up with new ways of moving forward towards socialism and ultimately communism.

Sendo
30th September 2008, 02:51
Once again, the 3rd world shows us how politically enlightened they can be. They accomplish goals and learn from the past. With all of our brilliant education in the First World, the left is too often bickering or too busy erecting stone idols of dead men.

RedDawn
30th September 2008, 04:20
Um, no. Maoism does not advocate a "liberal capitalist state". It advocates an alliance between the proletariat and all classes interested in struggling against feudalism and imperialism to complete the democratic revolution, whose conclusion heralds the beginning of the socialist revolution.

An alliance between the proletariat and all classes IS a liberal capitalist state.