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FriendorFoe
27th September 2008, 16:27
The Creation of the Second Great Depression :(

by Ron Paul

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Whenever a Great Bipartisan Consensus is announced, and a compliant media assures everyone that the wondrous actions of our wise leaders are being taken for our own good, you can know with absolute certainty that disaster is about to strike.
The events of the past week are no exception.
The bailout package that is about to be rammed down Congress’ throat is not just economically foolish. It is downright sinister. It makes a mockery of our Constitution, which our leaders should never again bother pretending is still in effect. It promises the American people a never-ending nightmare of ever-greater debt liabilities they will have to shoulder. Two weeks ago, financial analyst Jim Rogers said the bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made America more communist than China! "This is welfare for the rich," he said. "This is socialism for the rich. It’s bailing out the financiers, the banks, the Wall Streeters."
That describes the current bailout package to a T. And we’re being told it’s unavoidable.
The claim that the market caused all this is so staggeringly foolish that only politicians and the media could pretend to believe it. But that has become the conventional wisdom, with the desired result that those responsible for the credit bubble and its predictable consequences – predictable, that is, to those who understand sound, Austrian economics – are being let off the hook. The Federal Reserve System is actually positioning itself as the savior, rather than the culprit, in this mess!

The Treasury Secretary is authorized to purchase up to $700 billion in mortgage-related assets at any one time. That means $700 billion is only the very beginning of what will hit us.

Financial institutions are "designated as financial agents of the Government." This is the New Deal to end all New Deals.

Then there’s this: "Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency." Translation: the Secretary can buy up whatever junk debt he wants to, burden the American people with it, and be subject to no one in the process.


There goes your country.
Even some so-called free-market economists are calling all this "sadly necessary." Sad, yes. Necessary? Don’t make me laugh.
Our one-party system is complicit in yet another crime against the American people. The two major party candidates for president themselves initially indicated their strong support for bailouts of this kind – another example of the big choice we’re supposedly presented with this November: yes or yes. Now, with a backlash brewing, they’re not quite sure what their views are. A sad display, really.
Although the present bailout package is almost certainly not the end of the political atrocities we’ll witness in connection with the crisis, time is short. Congress may vote as soon as tomorrow. With a Rasmussen poll finding support for the bailout at an anemic seven percent, some members of Congress are afraid to vote for it. Call them! Let them hear from you! Tell them you will never vote for anyone who supports this atrocity.
The issue boils down to this: do we care about freedom? Do we care about responsibility and accountability? Do we care that our government and media have been bought and paid for? Do we care that average Americans are about to be looted in order to subsidize the fattest of cats on Wall Street and in government? Do we care?
When the chips are down, will we stand up and fight, even if it means standing up against every stripe of fashionable opinion in politics and the media?
Times like these have a way of telling us what kind of a people we are, and what kind of country we shall be.
Here is a new clip that I think people need to see: THis guy was elected by Clinton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btCmQJXTyTw&NR=1

Here are the government numbers to back up what the video saids.
http://www.gao.gov/cghome/d08353cg.pdf
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This is why I dont support a bail out. THere is not enough taxes to pay this type of money back!

Bud Struggle
27th September 2008, 16:31
With all due respect to the good doctor--he should get back to delivering babies. :(

America is no more "free market" than China is "Communist". We are and will be mixing, matching and melding our economics schemes--into eternity.

That's the nature of man. We're quite unstable creatures in that area.

IcarusAngel
27th September 2008, 16:48
Well, a lot of free-marketeers blame poor people, but they were just trying to take advantage of whatever they could just to survive. Certainly, it is the market that keeps people poor, and not the government.

The Austrian school is a bunch of bullshit and no one here, maybe except Freakazoid, gives a damn about that shit. It's not even popular within economics - I believe the poll I posted earlier in another thread says that only 10-15% of economists are libertarian, and many of those libertarians are not of this "austrian" school.

The Austrians would have no problem with corporations becoming governmments in and of themselves, so this is not free-government or a better society.

Bud Struggle
27th September 2008, 17:05
Well, a lot of free-marketeers blame poor people, but they were just trying to take advantage of whatever they could just to survive. Nope--they were trying to take advantage of getting something for nothing. EVERYTHING has to be paid for. You can't get a house if you have no money to pay for it. It's as simple as that. I have no condescending attitude about the poor, they aren't children. I would expect them to act responsibly. As should the rich. As should everyone in between. There is no better recipe for failure in this world than to not grasp fully you abilities and your means.


Certainly, it is the market that keeps people poor, and not the government. In America--people keep themselves poor. There are opportunites. I can't say that about the rest of the world, but America has a pretty decent system.

RGacky3
27th September 2008, 22:48
In America--people keep themselves poor. There are opportunites. I can't say that about the rest of the world, but America has a pretty decent system.

That is such BS, you have much more oppportunities for a decent life in many other countries. In America there are opportunities, but its such a long long long shot for most people, and to get there they have to slave most of their life, its not even worth mentioning, also for many people their just flat out ARN'T many options. This land of opportunity thing that America portrays itself as is as phony as the beakon of democracy thing.

GPDP
27th September 2008, 23:48
by Ron Paul

Stopped reading there.

Lynx
28th September 2008, 00:12
Nope--they were trying to take advantage of getting something for nothing. EVERYTHING has to be paid for.
ROFL - yes, all 700 billion dollars worth and counting. A free lunch for Wall Street, and a Transfer Debit for everyone else.

There are also a number of 'externalities' that don't get paid.

freakazoid
28th September 2008, 17:12
The Austrian school is a bunch of bullshit and no one here, maybe except Freakazoid, gives a damn about that shit.

What the hell are you shitting out now? I don't even know what this Austrian school is so why don't you just shut the fuck up? And why should I care about some school in Austria? :confused: Is it some college or something? And why do you always bring me up when something related to libertarianism comes up? Get it through your mother fucking head, I am not a libertarian. And leave me alone. :cursing:

RGacky3
29th September 2008, 05:24
And why should I care about some school in Austria?

That made me laugh :).


Financial institutions are "designated as financial agents of the Government."

IN a way thats true, that being said, the government is the designated defender of hte financial institutions. Liberterians need to get it into their heads, Capitalism NEEDS the big government.

spice756
29th September 2008, 07:06
America is no more "free market" than China is "Communist". We are and will be mixing, matching and melding our economics schemes--into eternity.


Yap but the difference is the republican and democratic will help big businesses so they do well.Not controlling the market to help the poor.But controlling the market for the rich and elite.

In some ways I hope the government would stays out of the economy allow free market so we can prove capitalism does not work.

That all go vote libertarian to speed up the depression coming.

Sendo
29th September 2008, 08:04
tomk, it's not really the poor people's fault. Capitalism needs to make money off of people's surplus value, underpay them, and then convince them to buy things. To ward off a crisis of stockpiles of unsold goods in stores, "productive" capital is aided by financial capital. It's so much bigger than individuals making mistakes.

I'm glad to see Americans attacking Wall Street as a class and not a cluster of individuals. About time people look at the bigger picture.

spice756
1st October 2008, 01:49
The problem is people got loans they could not pay off and loans officer should be put in jail for this.

Canada does not mess with stuff like this.You got have a good credit and make good money to get a loan.

Has for if they where construction companies bulding homes like the world is coming to the end.They should be put in jail.

But I do have one solution to you problem .Open up the gates for immigrants into the US and will fix your over-consumption of homes.