Great similarities between communist and fascist totalitarian regimes.

[Fighter_For_Democracy]

Throughout history, communist and fascist regimes promised their people a utopia. In reality, these two totalitarian regimes have enslaved their own people and unleashed a system a terror. Both fascist and communist regimes sent their political prisoners to die in concentration camps. Everybody knows about Nazi concentration camps, but hardly anyone knows that more concentration camps were found in eastern european communist countries during the Cold War. Whenever a communist party seized power, suppression and censorship followed. The same occurred whenever a fascist country seized power. Communists claim to represent workers, but the communist regimes of Stalin and Mao-Zedong killed more workers any other regime. East German workers fled in thousands to the West during the Cold War. Hardly any West German workers fled to the West though ...

[revolution inaction]

There is no such thing as a communist country, or a communist government. Both are impossible because communism is opposed to states and the division of people into different countries.
The countries you call communist would not be considered communist by any communist, not even the Leninists who think some of them where socialist. In reality these countries are or where state capitalist. That means they capitalism with the worker not having control over the means of production and having to work for wages, but controlled by the state not individual business owners.

In a real communist society the workers are responsible for organising things and there is no government, instead workers form councils where they live/work which everyone takes part in and these federate and to organise things like what to produce.

Money is abolished and instead things are distributed and produced according to the principle "from each according to ability, to each according to need" with need including needs for comfort and entertainment.

[danyboy27]

i suggest you guy to ignore him, beccause no matter how good our arguments would be he will continue, its a troll a self hating monster

[Bud Struggle]

I bet your mother wishes she had aborted you.

I guess his mother wasn't a Communist. :(

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Fuck off pond scum.

[CaptainCapitalist68]

There is no such thing as a communist country, or a communist government. Both are impossible because communism is opposed to states and the division of people into different countries.
The countries you call communist would not be considered communist by any communist, not even the Leninists who think some of them where socialist. In reality these countries are or where state capitalist. That means they capitalism with the worker not having control over the means of production and having to work for wages, but controlled by the state not individual business owners.

In a real communist society the workers are responsible for organising things and there is no government, instead workers form councils where they live/work which everyone takes part in and these federate and to organise things like what to produce.

Money is abolished and instead things are distributed and produced according to the principle "from each according to ability, to each according to need" with need including needs for comfort and entertainment.

Yes there will be a government. Who's goign to control wealth and property? Whos going to say what workers we need? Whos goign to control crime and punish criminals? Thats your government right there. Eventually this government will become corrupt and it will turn into a totalitarian government like it has over and over again because of the power and authority it gains.

[CaptainCapitalist68]

Typical communist, always saying that their system has never truly being practiced.

Ohh and watch them criticize capitalism and blame it for all the worlds suffering and evil.

[Dr Mindbender]

Typical communist, always saying that their system has never truly being practiced.


if communists are guilty of that, so are capitalists.

im tired of seeing the OIers saying that the third world is poor thanks to it's 'socialistic' statist nature and that it isnt practicing 'pure' capitalism as though they will somehow improve if the free market is allowed to run rickshaw without supervision.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Typical communist, always saying that their system has never truly being practiced.

Ohh and watch them criticize capitalism and blame it for all the worlds suffering and evil.

Ironic coming from a crowd of people who argue that REAL capitalism has never existed.

Communism has existed in some libertarian forms with great success. The EZLN is the MOST libertarian "government" in the world. People in the region who don't agree to their policies don't even have to join. Parts of anarchist Catalonia were communist; as were regions in the Free Territory.

Looks like REAL communism has existed. Now where's real capitalism - Somalia?

[black magick hustla]

great esssay fighterfor democracy you have an a++

[Elliot_R]

Dont understand how "real" communism will be like, but many sympathize with the regimes of the USSR and Cuba....I dont know why

[Bud Struggle]

Dont understand how "real" communism will be like, but many sympathize with the regimes of the USSR and Cuba....I dont know why

They like the hats.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/MercutioTomK/274638544_5500957553.jpg

(Actual Commie Club members!)

[Elliot_R]

well the hats are pretty cool....but they look rather angry?

[revolution inaction]

Yes there will be a government. Who's goign to control wealth and property? Whos going to say what workers we need? Whos goign to control crime and punish criminals? Thats your government right there. Eventually this government will become corrupt and it will turn into a totalitarian government like it has over and over again because of the power and authority it gains.

this will be done by the people through those workers councils i mentioned earlier, there will be no separate organisation you could reasonably call a government :)


Typical communist, always saying that their system has never truly being practiced.

Ohh and watch them criticize capitalism and blame it for all the worlds suffering and evil.

I never said communism hadn't been practised, I said a communist country is impossible :)
I don't blame capitalism for all the worlds ill, religion, sexism, racism have there part to.

[Bud Struggle]

well the hats are pretty cool....but they look rather angry?

You haven't been around here long enough to interact with most of the Commie Club! :cool:

[Armand Iskra]

Communism is not yet achieved unless the world is dominated by the workers and the peasants. Those countries the west called as "Communists" are socialist countries. Perhaps, the only country that was trying to experiment was kampuchea, especially during pol pot's era.

[Kwisatz Haderach]

I know he's a troll, but just for the record:


Throughout history, communist and fascist regimes promised their people a utopia.
Actually, no, the fascists were not utopians. You may accuse us communists of being utopians, but the fascists always made it clear that they believed in eternal war between races and/or nations. They promised a better society, of course (just like liberal capitalists and everyone else), but they believed that their "better society" would always have to fight for survival.


In reality, these two totalitarian regimes have enslaved their own people and unleashed a system a terror. Both fascist and communist regimes sent their political prisoners to die in concentration camps.
Leaving aside the fact that the regimes you're talking about were not communist, the fact remains that millions of people served jail terms in the Gulag - and were released after a few years very much alive. The vast majority of people who went to "communist" "concentration camps" survived. The Gulag was a particularly harsh prison system, but it was in the end just a regular prison system: You went to trial, got convicted of a crime, and the sentence was to spend X number of years in the Gulag. Some of the people there were political prisoners, but most were petty criminals.

The Soviet Gulag system was built to hold people in jail in harsh conditions. They had a chance of dying, and some of them did. But the vast majority survived, and they were released as normal when their prison terms ended. The Nazi concentration camps, on the other hand, were built for the purpose of killing people - which they did very effectively - and the Nazis never dreamed of releasing any of their prisoners.

Oh, and of course, the majority of Nazi concentration camp inmates were neither political prisoners nor petty criminals - they were random Jewish people.


Whenever a communist party seized power, suppression and censorship followed.
And that might sound impressive until you realize that the same kind of suppression and censorship existed in all those countries before the Communist Party seized power. What, you think Tsarist Russia or Nationalist China or Batista's Cuba were fuzzy-friendly democracies?


Communists claim to represent workers, but the communist regimes of Stalin and Mao-Zedong killed more workers any other regime.
Define "killed." The regimes of Stalin and Mao certainly executed hundreds of thousands of people, but most anti-communists have a very vague and broad definition of "being killed" that inflates those numbers into tens of millions. They do this by counting everyone who died of any unnatural causes under Stalin and Mao as having been "killed" by the government.


East German workers fled in thousands to the West during the Cold War. Hardly any West German workers fled to the West though ...
Yeah, you're right that hardly any West German workers fled to the West. I wonder why. :rolleyes:

If you're talking about West German workers fleeing to the East, however, there were 20,000 of them every year until the Berlin Wall was built. [source: Mark Kurlansky, 1968: The year that rocked the world, pp.147]

[Killfacer]

Leaving aside the fact that the regimes you're talking about were not communist, the fact remains that millions of people served jail terms in the Gulag - and were released after a few years very much alive. The vast majority of people who went to "communist" "concentration camps" survived. The Gulag was a particularly harsh prison system, but it was in the end just a regular prison system: You went to trial, got convicted of a crime, and the sentence was to spend X number of years in the Gulag. Some of the people there were political prisoners, but most were petty criminals.

The Soviet Gulag system was built to hold people in jail in harsh conditions. They had a chance of dying, and some of them did. But the vast majority survived, and they were released as normal when their prison terms ended. The Nazi concentration camps, on the other hand, were built for the purpose of killing people - which they did very effectively - and the Nazis never dreamed of releasing any of their prisoners.


Oh, that doesn't sound at all totalitarian. Silly him.

[Kwisatz Haderach]

Oh, that doesn't sound at all totalitarian. Silly him.
If throwing your political opponents in jail is totalitarian, than nearly every government in human history was totalitarian, and only in the last 100 years have non-totalitarian governments become the norm.

[Killfacer]

That seems a fair analysis.