Achievement or Process?

[Comrade B]

Which do you think is more important, the process of reaching a goal, or the goal its self.

In other words

Do you think it OK to do things ordinarily considered immoral if the end result is a greater positive?

I have been wondering this a lot recently, and was wondering what other peoples' views on this were.

[counterblast]

This is impossible to answer because there are no defined boundaries for when "Reaching a goal" becomes the "goal itself".

ie: Was the revolutionary Russia established with the Russian Revolution itself, or after its closure?

[Die Neue Zeit]

Well, on the one hand Bernstein said infamously "The movement is everything, the final goal is nothing."

While he chose the wrong means, he did have an ironic point lost upon many leftists today, who play down the centrality of class struggle as the only valid means to achieve the end goal (and go off into lifestylism, insurrectionism, electoralism, trade-union-work-only-ism, social-movements-work-only-ism, etc.).

[Decolonize The Left]

Which do you think is more important, the process of reaching a goal, or the goal its self.

In other words

Do you think it OK to do things ordinarily considered immoral if the end result is a greater positive?

I have been wondering this a lot recently, and was wondering what other peoples' views on this were.

If you will allow me to rephrase your question, it appears as though you are asking:
Does the end justify the means?
or
Do the means justify the end?

If this is the case then my response would be neither. Such absolutist approaches to experience ultimately crumble under the diverse possibilities open at all times.

Furthermore, there is never an 'end.' Only a becoming. Therefore the question is: how does one become what one is?

- August

[Comrade B]

Let me establish an example:
Lets say there is a revolutionary force who sees an excellent opportunity to kill the oppressive leader of a country. Unfortunately, the plan would involve an explosive which would kill 100 total innocents.
Should they take the opportunity?

To consider in this are that the leader country's death is not necessarily going to end the old government, a new, slightly less powerful official will take his place and the fight will continue, though it will be much less brutal.
On the other hand,
The leader who is in power at the time will kill hundreds of thousands of people in his time if he is allowed to stay in power. Also, the revolution may not be successful if the government remains as powerful as it previously was.