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[Red Anarchist of Love]

dust's
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In Expressing one's ideas one must express with the full body and presence of one's mind and soul. In this way, one experiences harsh controversy and judgment. For if one speaks truth in an unjust world only such result is to be thought of by cowards. Still one must noice what they believe is true and loudly. For when you voice an idea that is truly belived by you, that is what you truly want to say, that comes from your heart, you truly free free yourself even if you are in phusical bondage. If one later finds there truth to be false. I say take what you have learned and voice this louder. That way as you find more truth your noice stengthens. Do this without the thought of physical or social persecution or even the thought of death. Ideas change the world. Any idea of peace, of love,or humanity is truly beneficial to the world. Just the idea that one must voice their idea could bring injustice to a halt and ignorance to a standstill

These are my truths:

My truth holding god is love, the love which all people posses. I believe ALL People have a connection with the one God of love, For ALL people posses love, love for their families, love for their friends, and hopefully love for ALL humankind. , just as their father has. I feel whether a man is Christan, Muslim, any other religion, or even without the manmade vice of religion has a connection with teh father,for God is of love, and so are people. If we claim to follow Godwe must love ALL, for likewise God loves ALL. I have come to find there is not one government or church which embodies this belief. Christians exclued Muslims. Muslims exclude Christians. Religions believe their truth is more true. Some even believe their truth is the only absolte truth. In this they establish their false pride. For even if there are writings written by God throgh men, what is put into or taken out of a religious book is determined by religion which is only a political system of supernatural ideas. God does not see religion. God sees our souls. The governments show favoritism to their own citizens, when God loves ALL the same. The Goverments wage war for their own citizens, or the prosperity of its leaders. In war both sides pray to the sam Gog, for there is only one God for ALL. They are convinced by society that what they are doing is just, all they are doing is killing other men of God. No land or physical possession is worth killing for. Furthermore any freedom which is won by waris poisoned by murder. Killing in war is Murder. Murder poisons one's soul. Immigrants come on to God's land for teh hope of a better life, for just as ALL people are of God, so are all lands for the natrual world was created by God. To teh governments these people are subordinate to their own citizen, whenis God's eyes no man is, or will ever be subordinate to any other man, for God sees souls not documents.

This my message to you:

Sacrifice religion and government for these forces will never be in regard of ALL human kind. ALL must denounce all war, for the killing of any man by any man is MURDER and will forever be MURRDER! ALL must come to the realization that ALL huaman life is sacred. ALL must put this believe above all religions and government. When I say sacrifice religion, in no means do I say denounce the beliefs of Jesus Christ, for his messages are most dear to my hear. I mean denounce the idea that only Christians are just. Give up the idea that anyone form of government is just. Widen your heart to love ALL for the one father of love loves ALL!

Respectfully;

dust

[Sentinel]

This is a piece of pacifist rambling and bordeline preaching as well, so I wasn't sure where to put it. In any case it did not fit in Article Submissions, as this is a forum for the revolutionary left. As it deals with religions and god, perhaps this forum is best for it. Moved.


ALL must denounce all war, for the killing of any man by any man is MURDER and will forever be MURRDER! ALL must come to the realization that ALL huaman life is sacred.We on the revolutionary left do believe revolutionary insurrections, even armed ones where people are killed (MURRDERED forever!), to be just, and thus your 'god with love for all' who condemns all violence holds an opposing ideology..

[Killfacer]

Freak.

[Bud Struggle]

Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the the world is full of trickery. But let not this blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.

Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all it's sham drudgery and broken dreams; it is still a beautiful world.

Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.

[pusher robot]

There is No God, only Godism -
an organized profiteering crime,
collecting $billions from tithes.
Humans are evil bastards to
claim that a god is all-powerful
when it is impossible for a male
queer god to give birth to a baby
or breast-feed it - a power that
only a Mother posseses. Humans
are Evil bastards to claim that a
god is all knowing - when the
queer bastard is too stupid to
comprehend that 4 simultaneous
corner 24 hour days and 4 Earth
rotations occur within a single
24 hour rotation of CubedEarth.
It is impossible for an academic deified Queer ass god to give
birth to, or breast-feed a Baby.
Bible fraud will destroy fools,
and they will eat one another.
Adam and Eve never existed.
Without profit, there is no god.
Believers will actually eat dung
before they will ever measure
their queer Godism for Cubic
Creation Truth. Just the other
Day in the NEWS, they were
worshipping their god image
in Vomit. Is there no limit to
just how putrid their godism mentality will dwell in stupor.
Forced integration created a
new race of human - a light
black race bridge from the black-black to the white-white.
Doom descends upon Whites
as with all past civilizations.
Like a God- like a Queer.
You think trained dog Oneism.

[Decolonize The Left]

Red Anarchist of Love, Tolstoy said what "Dust" attempts to say in far more detail and with better argument in The Kingdom of God is Within You. Furthermore, "Dust" is not the first (nor the hundreth) to spew this nonsense. Many have tried before, and it's fairly pointless. God is too contradictory a concept, Christianity too incoherent a religion, and "love" too vague a term to have any merit as a philosophy.

I understand the underlying point of your post, but you have no need for God, Jesus, or religion to make this statement. It can be made through a humanist argument and is far more justified in that context.

Pusher Robot, I don't understand all the references to God being "queer." Care to explain?

- August

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

There is No God, only Godism -
an organized profiteering crime,
collecting $billions from tithes.
Humans are evil bastards to
claim that a god is all-powerful
when it is impossible for a male
queer god to give birth to a baby
or breast-feed it - a power that
only a Mother posseses. Humans
are Evil bastards to claim that a
god is all knowing - when the
queer bastard is too stupid to
comprehend that 4 simultaneous
corner 24 hour days and 4 Earth
rotations occur within a single
24 hour rotation of CubedEarth.

<snip>

Hah, TimeCube.com!


Pusher Robot, I don't understand all the references to God being "queer." Care to explain?

- August

The author of TimeCube.com is well known for being a bigot.


In Expressing one's ideas one must express with the full body and presence of one's mind and soul.

There's no such thing as a "soul".


In this way, one experiences harsh controversy and judgment.

Non sequiter.


For if one speaks truth in an unjust world only such result is to be thought of by cowards.

Incoherent.


Still one must noice what they believe is true and loudly.

Garbled. If you're saying what I think you're saying, sometimes it better to remain quiet.

You can't get away with making such sweeping statements.


For when you voice an idea that is truly belived by you, that is what you truly want to say, that comes from your heart, you truly free free yourself even if you are in phusical bondage.

Nonsense. I must do more than criticise my chains to break myself free of them.


If one later finds there truth to be false. I say take what you have learned and voice this louder. That way as you find more truth your noice stengthens.

Why is it so important to have a big mouth?


Do this without the thought of physical or social persecution or even the thought of death.

Impossible. Most people have a healthy enough respect for their own skin not to say the wrong thing at the wrong time.


Ideas change the world.

Only if they are put into practice by sufficient numbers of human beings.


Any idea of peace, of love,or humanity is truly beneficial to the world.

This is nothing but a generic feel-good statement. I don't "love" murderers and child rapists.


Just the idea that one must voice their idea could bring injustice to a halt and ignorance to a standstill

Really? Prove it!


These are my truths:

My truth holding god is love, the love which all people posses. I believe ALL People have a connection with the one God of love, For ALL people posses love, love for their families, love for their friends, and hopefully love for ALL humankind.

I bet Hitler loved his mother. Just because one is capable of feelings of love doesn't mean one is incapable of hatred.


, just as their father has. I feel whether a man is Christan, Muslim, any other religion, or even without the manmade vice of religion has a connection with teh father,for God is of love, and so are people.

"God is love" is a preposterously unsupported statement. Extending it to humans in general only serves to compound the absurdity.


If we claim to follow Godwe must love ALL, for likewise God loves ALL.

Yeah, He "loves" us so much that "He" created diseases and infections of all kinds, natural disasters from mudflows to hurricanes and tsunamis, and tiresome bores like you to plague us.

Thanks, God! :rolleyes:

If "God" really exists, then the only conclusions you can make about Him is that he is either powerless and therefore unworthy of worship, or that He deliberately created the world with all it's ills. Which makes Him a celestial sadist unmatched by any human being who ever lived.

Or you can do what I do, and apply the principle of parsimony and assume he doesn't exist.


I have come to find there is not one government or church which embodies this belief. Christians exclued Muslims. Muslims exclude Christians. Religions believe their truth is more true. Some even believe their truth is the only absolte truth. In this they establish their false pride.

Superstitious nonsense is still superstitious nonsense when you strip it of it's cultural trappings. You believe in a personal God, a being supposedly with the capacity for the human emotion known as "love", but you do so entirely without any evidence whatsoever.

It's still horseshit!


For even if there are writings written by God throgh men, what is put into or taken out of a religious book is determined by religion which is only a political system of supernatural ideas. God does not see religion. God sees our souls.

God does not exist.


The governments show favoritism to their own citizens, when God loves ALL the same.

Is that why "He" inflicts such horrors on small children? Is that why "He" created a global ecosystem in which suffering and death is not only omnipresent, but vitally necessary?

Worse, you expect us to "worship" this cosmic torturer!

Fuck you!


The Goverments wage war for their own citizens, or the prosperity of its leaders. In war both sides pray to the sam Gog, for there is only one God for ALL.

Wrong, they think that "God is on their side".

Might I ask you to produce some evidence for this "God" of yours?


They are convinced by society that what they are doing is just, all they are doing is killing other men of God.

Yes, they all think "God is on their side.

What else is new?


No land or physical possession is worth killing for.

An unsupported, sweeping statement. I'm noticing a pattern here.


Furthermore any freedom which is won by waris poisoned by murder. Killing in war is Murder.

No it isn't. If that were the case, then everyone who ever killed anyone else in a war would be in prison. This is obviously not the case.

In case you don't know, "Murder" is an artificial social construct created by humans, not some "law of the universe". Objectively reality is pitilessly indifferent to our petty concerns.


Murder poisons one's soul.

How can one "poison" something with no demonstrated existance?


Immigrants come on to God's land for teh hope of a better life, for just as ALL people are of God, so are all lands for the natrual world was created by God.

You're all over the place. In one sentence you talk about war, the next murder, and then you move on to immigration before claiming God created the world.

What a mess.


To teh governments these people are subordinate to their own citizen, whenis God's eyes no man is, or will ever be subordinate to any other man, for God sees souls not documents.

Non-denominational preaching is still preaching, bud.


This my message to you:

Sacrifice religion and government for these forces will never be in regard of ALL human kind.

Sure, and then we can start educating our kids properly so that we don't turn out a fresh crop of superstitious pseudophilosophical numbskulls like you.


ALL must denounce all war, for the killing of any man by any man is MURDER and will forever be MURRDER!

No it isn't. Human societies commonly have a (de facto or de jeure) "self-defence clause" in which one can be forgiven for killing someone else in self-defence. A large number of human societies have no problems with killing "outsiders", fellow humans not part of their society due to being of different birthplace, religion, racial/ethnic background, the opposite side in a war, and so on.


ALL must come to the realization that ALL huaman life is sacred.

No it isn't. "Sacred" is a nebulous, undefined quality that could mean anything depending on the cultural or religious viewpoint of the person uttering the word, and hence is entirely subjective.


ALL must put this believe above all religions and government.

They aren't going to give up without a fight, so you're asking for the impossible.


When I say sacrifice religion, in no means do I say denounce the beliefs of Jesus Christ, for his messages are most dear to my hear.

How dishonest! "Criticise other religions as much as you like, just don't you dare say anything bad about Jesus".

You should be restricted for this underhanded nonsense.


I mean denounce the idea that only Christians are just. Give up the idea that anyone form of government is just.

It's possible to do that without being a total faith-head.


Widen your heart to love ALL for the one father of love loves ALL!

Respectfully;

dust


Bugger off, irrationalist.

Disrespectfully,

NoXion

[Dean]

Red Anarchist, you have some pretty good ideas, but they are unnecessarily shrouded in theological statements. Love does indeed have a much more important role in society and progress than many will admit, but without any social or psychological references, you are not going to convince anyone here or even be able to analyze and understand your own ideas.

It is very telling that you speak of "God," but you don't explain what that means - if all people have this god, what does it mean to atheists? It certainly can't be the same concept of an external deity. Similarly, you go at length to try to lift love up as a universal ideal, which is wonderful, but what exactly does that mean? Again, without any rational analysis of what you mean here, this comes off as a naive, but potentially progressive religiosity. Near the end, you even talk of religious and government ideologies as irrational biases between people. I don't disagree with you here, but again, you have only scratched on the surface when you could be providing a thoughtful analysis explaining why barriers are destructive to human interests, and even how communism exhibits a sort of emotionally and culturally liberated society without all these barriers you speak of. You could explain what it means psychologically to develop an irrational disinterest or dislike for other humans based on ideology or other distinctions.

You have mystically approached a very real human experience. Now it is time for you to shrug off the theology and emotional prejudice, and learn what it really means to speak of love as a universal, progressive force. The words you speak are oft-repeated by mystics who have some very humanist goals, but what they fail to realize is that their own feeling is not enough, and that shrouding the ideas in traditionalist, exclusively mystic language blocks the ability to study the ideas rationally, and renders them impotent in regards to the deeper analysis they must undergo to become of any use. It's great to talk of universal, mutual respect, interest and nurturing (if that is indeed what you mean by 'love') but it is only useful to talk of it in the context of its psychological character, and what psychological facts exist in opposition to such forces.

[Bud Struggle]

Hah, TimeCube.com!

What the hell is that all about??????:confused::confused::confused:

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

What the hell is that all about??????:confused::confused::confused:

I think it's quite possible that only the creator of the website in question knows.

Genius or insanity? my vote's on the straightjacket.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

http://www.timecube.com/ <- WTF.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Extremists generally tend to be very hateful people.

[Vlad tdf]

Well i don't know what to say i am in a catholic fammily but i don't really think that God exists i am very confused and i think i need help . And my familly keeps telling me about God and stufs . I think NoXion helped me allot so thank's but i'm still confused :confused:

[Bud Struggle]

Well i don't know what to say i am in a catholic fammily but i don't really think that God exists i am very confused and i think i need help . And my familly keeps telling me about God and stufs . I think NoXion helped me allot so thank's but i'm still confused :confused:

There's not much on this thread that's going to help you, my friend. :(

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Vlad im sure PMing a member or setting up a thread on learning could help you out.

[Bud Struggle]

Vlad im sure PMing a member or setting up a thread on learning could help you out.


Indeed! I'm a Catholic and a member of the Communist Party (USA) in good standing. Please PM me. :)

Tom

[Holden Caulfield]

"god is love, love is blind, god is gay, so am i"

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Indeed! I'm a Catholic and a member of the Communist Party (USA) in good standing. Please PM me. :)

Tom

You are probs the average member of CPUSA.

[Bud Struggle]

You are probs the average member of CPUSA.

I don't think so. Even though I'm an idiot by RevLeft standars, I'm freaking Marx Reincarnated with these guys. I'm also richer, older and better looking (all by far) than these CPUSA.

(Hey, I'm no movie star--but these [USA] Commies are REALLY children of the misbegotten.:rolleyes:)

Went to one meeting--maybe the hot babes are at the SECOND meeting. :lol:

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

I don't think so. Even though I'm an idiot by RevLeft standars, I'm freaking Marx Reincarnated with these guys. I'm also richer, older and better looking (all by far) than these CPUSA.

(Hey, I'm no movie star--but these [USA] Commies are REALLY children of the misbegotten.:rolleyes:)

Went to one meeting--maybe the hot babes are at the SECOND meeting. :lol:

What was the CPUSAers reaction to you turning up?

where they trendy lefties?

also are they all like uni kids or do you have a few old ones.

In the UK we have quite a few mature commies (anarchsts i dont really know that much about trots and MLers)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8kdcdMegQs

[Bud Struggle]

Yup.

That's the CPUSA Revolution.

Nothing trendy there--trendy is "Obama..."

[edit] a FREAKIN' great youtube!!!

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I think NoXion helped me allot so thank's but i'm still confused :confused:

What are you confused about? Maybe I can help clear it up.

[Bud Struggle]

What are you confused about? Maybe I can help clear it up.

Been there first bro.

An open discussion for our friend--may be the way to go.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Yup.

That's the CPUSA Revolution.

Nothing trendy there--trendy is "Obama..."

[edit] a FREAKIN' great youtube!!!

Class war may sometimes cock up. But they are a laugh and when they do well they do very well. (Also they helped set up antifa which gets them brownie points).

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Been there first bro.

An open discussion for our friend--may be the way to go.

If he wants to talk about it in a public thread or via PM, either is fine by me.

[Bud Struggle]

Fine. Maybe we can have our friend Dean make some space in his "debate" forum.

(As an OIer, I may be a problem.)

[Rosa Provokateur]

and thus your 'god with love for all' who condemns all violence holds an opposing ideology..

Opposition is the daughter of Democracy, Sentinel.

[Dean]

Fine. Maybe we can have our friend Dean make some space in his "debate" forum.

(As an OIer, I may be a problem.)
Unfortunately, if you wanted to take part, it would have to be in this forum. There aren't any good ways to grant user access to a single thread outside of OI. I'm sure they wouldn't mind confining there debate here if you really felt the urge to take part.



If he wants to talk about it in a public thread or via PM, either is fine by me.

A debate between NoXion and Red Anarchist of Love would be interesting, perhaps on "the importance of God in social theory" or something, but quite frankly I don't know what you two spoke of, so I guess you guys would have to sort it out.

[Bud Struggle]

Unfortunately, if you wanted to take part, it would have to be in this forum. There aren't any good ways to grant user access to a single thread outside of OI. I'm sure they wouldn't mind confining there debate here if you really felt the urge to take part.

No problem on my part. As a Capitalist--I just wanted to give you some business in your new establishment. :)

Best of luck on it, though. :thumbup:

[Sentinel]

Unfortunately, if you wanted to take part, it would have to be in this forum. There aren't any good ways to grant user access to a single thread outside of OI. I'm sure they wouldn't mind confining there debate here if you really felt the urge to take part.Actually, while its not possible to grant someone access to a single thread, individual OIers may be voted upon to get access to the Debate forum, and that is fully possible technically. I would have wanted it to be a subforum of OI, as that would have been easier, but we then agreed on this praxis instead.

See the thread (http://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft-debate-competitions-t79793/index.html) where the forum was originally proposed. ;)

Tom, would you be interested in a formal debate with someone?

Also Dean, maybe we should start a thread here in OI, where people could apply?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

A debate between NoXion and Red Anarchist of Love would be interesting, perhaps on "the importance of God in social theory" or something, but quite frankly I don't know what you two spoke of, so I guess you guys would have to sort it out.

Actually, it appears that Vlad tdf found some of my posts useful but is still unclear on some matters. As such I feel a certain responsibility to help him further understand.

As for debating with RAoL, your suggestion for a debate topic sounds awfully vague.

[Red Anarchist of Love]

thank you all for your repleys i just wanted to see the response
i wrote this i 9th grade 5 years ago. i have sence changed my idea of pacifsim. i see the need for equality stronger i have learned of the oppressed in great detail. i have found that there is now peace with out balenced power. the opressers choose if a revolution is vilent not the revolutionaries. i am not opposed to a revolution that fights to promote world equaitly and equal right. i have a great deal of respect for the zapatista movement. i was shock by how people hate those who belive in god and the random isults that had no logic behide them. thanks for those who pointed out thigs i can fix on the paper. all right that was the most responsed i have every got on a post. it must have said something that stuck everyone to have so many replys. thanks all.

[Red Anarchist of Love]

noXion a debate sounds fun.
:)