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spartan
25th September 2008, 23:36
The Church of England's two most senior clerics have launched a scathing attack on the financial industry, calling the bankers and speculators behind the credit crisis "bank robbers" and "asset strippers".

Dr Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, demanded tighter regulation of the industry and said it was out of touch with reality.

Williams added that Karl Marx had been right in his assessment of the nature of capitalism.

Meanwhile, the Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu, said the market took its rules of trade "from Alice in Wonderland".

In an article published in the Spectator magazine, Williams wrote: "It is no use pretending that the financial world can maintain indefinitely the degree of exemption from scrutiny and regulation that it has got used to.

"This crisis exposes the basic level of unreality in the situation — the truth that almost unimaginable wealth has been generated by equally unimaginable levels of fiction, paper transactions with no concrete outcome beyond profit for traders.

"Marx long ago observed the way in which unbridled capitalism became a kind of mythology, ascribing reality, power and agency to things that had no life in themselves; he was right about that, if about little else."

In a speech to last night's annual dinner of the Worshipful Company of International Bankers, Sentamu criticised the practice of short-selling, temporarily banned by the Financial Services Authority following the takeover of HBOS by Lloyds TSB.

"To a bystander like me, those who made £190m deliberately underselling the shares of HBOS in spite of a very strong capital base, and drove it into the arms of Lloyds TSB, are clearly bank robbers and asset strippers," he said.

"We find ourselves in a market system which seems to have taken its rules of trade from Alice in Wonderland.

"Our country has built its financial strength historically on the manufacturing of goods, where money was the medium of exchange.

"In the last week, we have seen its systems come close to ruin because now money is no longer being the medium of exchange for goods, but rather is the very item that is being traded."

Sentamu also spoke about today's talks at the UN in New York about the 15-year millennium development goals project to reduce global poverty.

The initiative's target of halving the number of people who live on less than a dollar a day by 2015 was unlikely to be met in sub-Saharan Africa, he said.

"Without a solid global economic base to work from, the eradication of world poverty would be an even greater task," he added.

"One of the ironies about this financial crisis is that it makes action on poverty look utterly achievable. It would cost $5bn (£2.7bn) to save six million children's lives.

"World leaders could find 140 times that amount for the banking system in a week. How can they tell us that action for the poorest is too expensive?"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/25/religion.creditcrunch

You know that something is seriously wrong when you have the highest officials in the church agreeing with Marx and attacking capitalism!:lol:

ÑóẊîöʼn
25th September 2008, 23:46
You know that something is seriously wrong when you have the highest officials in the church agreeing with Marx and attacking capitalism!:lol:

Not really. He's just using Marx's reputation to bolster his own arguments.

Really, who cares what this old git says? His church is dying through lack of attendance, and I really doubt he would be dropping Marx's name if he had any real influence.

BraneMatter
26th September 2008, 02:08
The Church has historically seldom really been on the side of the people, unless it perceives some temporary propaganda advantage. Their is a certain trend in Christianity, as Marx pointed out, that occasionally aligns itself with the masses, citing certain teachings of Jesus (like feeding the hungry, etc., the so called "social gospel"). Liberation theology, condemned by recent Popes, would be one such example.

The Church, aligned with king & noble of the ancien regime, or the Industrial Age wealthy capitalist, is about fleecing the flock of sheep for every last ounce of their wool.

Religion, like primitive tribe and clan, inhabits a cosmic world egg filled with fear and phantasms.

Die Neue Zeit
26th September 2008, 06:06
He didn't address the concept of class struggle. All his talk of "rich" vs. "poor" in previous speeches are utter crap.

spice756
26th September 2008, 07:51
why would the Church be pro-Marx and anti-capitalism? Some thing is not right.

The church blames all problems on the devil not capitalism:confused:

#FF0000
26th September 2008, 08:06
The Church isn't pro-Marx here. The Archbishop just said that Marx was right with his assessment of capitalism, and then added "if little else".

Anti-capitalist? Well, er. Maybe.
Marxist? Uh. No.
Class-Strugglist? Nope.

Archbishop might turn out to be a fascist. Wouldn't be too surprising.

Raúl Duke
26th September 2008, 13:37
The Church has historically seldom really been on the side of the people, unless it perceives some temporary propaganda advantage.

This is probably what's happening.

Considering their demising influence they'll do anything to make themselves more acceptable; which ain't happening.

When sects are small they usually (the whole of the sect, not every individual one though) argue for progressive things, peace, tolerance, etc.
When they reach large influence or become the religion of the state they then proceed to show their real ugly nature.

peaccenicked
26th September 2008, 15:41
The church is being used to back up the present piece of ideology that short selling is to blame for the present financial crisis, it is merely a symptom which indeed has destructive influence on failing financial institutions. However, the cause of the crisis is systemic result of unbridled free market ideology brought on by the boom period.
Let the bishops have their say, are we not democrats, but let us expose the role they play in hiding the real truth about capitalism, and not bother too much by the style of their attacks on the degrees of parisitism that do exist.
This is a time when resistance should be fertile for us. Look here. (http://www.revleft.com/vb/bailout-protest-escalation-t90338/index.html)

Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg
26th September 2008, 20:22
Old Merlin the Wizard (rowan Williams) is trying to boost attendance figures by making empty statments about capitalism, with no doctrine of economic change to benefut those suffering.