Communism in the UK

[Killfacer]

I was chatting with my brother yesterday about communism. I answered most of his questions but there were somethings i couldnt answer:

If there was a global communist revolution, what the happen in England. How would people be employed and fed? I mean alot of people in England are employed in the money sector, particuarly in london. Without that then theres not nearly enough jobs. There is not enough land in England to cultivate enough food for the entire population (at least i dont think there is), so England would end up receiving hand outs from bigger countries whilst its people sat about not doing alot because it's major sectors have been dissolved.

[mykittyhasaboner]

There is not enough land in England to cultivate enough food for the entire population (at least i dont think there is), so England would end up receiving hand outs from bigger countries whilst its people sat about not doing alot because it's major sectors have been dissolved.

Nonsense, there's no scarcity of land in England, a country famous for its lavish countryside, and rolling plains.

Even if their wasn't enough, vertical farms are a much more suitable way of cultivating food.

http://www.verticalfarm.com/

[danyboy27]

I was chatting with my brother yesterday about communism. I answered most of his questions but there were somethings i couldnt answer:

If there was a global communist revolution, what the happen in England. How would people be employed and fed? I mean alot of people in England are employed in the money sector, particuarly in london. Without that then theres not nearly enough jobs. There is not enough land in England to cultivate enough food for the entire population (at least i dont think there is), so England would end up receiving hand outs from bigger countries whilst its people sat about not doing alot because it's major sectors have been dissolved.

well, if england become communist one day, lets say a leninist view of communism is implented, not all institutions will be completly disbanded:
lawers will be needed, publicist will be needed(to promote the revolution), and the state will still need peoples to look after the state foreign money, beccause lets assume the other countries would still capitalism somehow, the state will be forced somehow to manage currencies and foreign deal with foreign buisness to get importants necessities such has food.

annyway, that what england is doing right now, dealing with other countries to get food, and japan have to do it, they are island, you cant fall in isolationism if you are an island with limited ressources, you have to get friends.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

If we had to speculate on what to do with an entire sector of people involved in money in such a short time frame, chances are the capitalist economy crapped out splendidly and we'd be seeing high unemployment everywhere.

[Forward Union]

I was chatting with my brother yesterday about communism. I answered most of his questions but there were somethings i couldnt answer:

If there was a global communist revolution, what the happen in England. How would people be employed and fed? I mean alot of people in England are employed in the money sector, particuarly in london. Without that then theres not nearly enough jobs. There is not enough land in England to cultivate enough food for the entire population (at least i dont think there is), so England would end up receiving hand outs from bigger countries whilst its people sat about not doing alot because it's major sectors have been dissolved.


England would have to re-industrialise. The "money sector" should be completely abolished.

There IS enough land in england to feed inself if we utalise modern farming techniques. And even if there wasn't we could get it from other people.

[danyboy27]

dont forget guy that he mentionned england, not the rest of the world.

[Killfacer]

But what people are saying would require huge amounts of industrialisation on an vast scale. Entire sectors of admin would have to be taught how to farm or do other needed tasks. Who is going to subsidise this change? Will another country have to give us enough food until we are fully capable of feeding the entire population.

What of the countryside aswell, this will completely obiliterate the green belts.

[danyboy27]

But what people are saying would require huge amounts of industrialisation on an vast scale. Entire sectors of admin would have to be taught how to farm or do other needed tasks. Who is going to subsidise this change? Will another country have to give us enough food until we are fully capable of feeding the entire population.

What of the countryside aswell, this will completely obiliterate the green belts.

Personally, i think its absurd (no offense to the people who said it), such measures would be required if england would fall into complete isolation, closed border thand shit.

in a hypotethic situation that england turn communist, they might do a supplementary enphasis on agriculture, but i doubt its gonna be a complete do-over.

but then again, its all depend, between a victory at the election or a coup d'etat made by a group of raGtaG ak-47 armed folks.

[Bud Struggle]

There IS enough land in england to feed inself if we utalise modern farming techniques. And even if there wasn't we could get it from other people.

There actually is a lot of land in England. It seems to be owned by about 1000 guys all with fancy hats with fur lining.

[Vanguard1917]

There is not enough land in England to cultivate enough food for the entire population (at least i dont think there is), so England would end up receiving hand outs from bigger countries whilst its people sat about not doing alot because it's major sectors have been dissolved.

The obvious point to make is that communism isn't about national self-sufficiency, but international economic co-operation. Production will be organised on a global basis, not a national one.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I always imagined if the UK turned communist then it would part of a (western?) Europe-wide trend, so would soon if not immediately be part of a greater "Red EU". I reckon the richer Commonwealth countries would quickly follow suit after Europe, thus widening the access of material goods for both. I'm pretty sure the EU/Western Europe is capable of providing for the majority of it's material needs.

I suppose the good thing about the fact that a large part of the UK's population is in the South East is that it means lots of good farmland is freed up.

[danyboy27]

noxion got a point that, if the UK become communist one day, thjis trend would effectively be spread among some european nation.

But seriously, why people in 2008 still believe that in case a country become communism, it need to fall into isolation and start sending the rich people to the fields, destroy the financial sector etc.

world have changed.

[Killfacer]

The obvious point to make is that communism isn't about national self-sufficiency, but international economic co-operation. Production will be organised on a global basis, not a national one.


But then what would the English do?

[Bud Struggle]

But then what would the English do?

If Britain became Communist the US would nuke you guys. :lol::lol::lol:

[Killfacer]

I'd laugh if i thought it wouldnt happen.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

If Britain became Communist the US would nuke you guys. :lol::lol::lol:

That's called an atrocity, I believe. I'm pretty sure that most Americans aren't callous monsters, so you're risking revolt and perhaps mutiny if you do that.

And of course, it leaves the US open to retaliation in kind. If we still have Trident submarines or something like that if the revolution happens, the captains might just decide to target US cities in revenge even if they weren't planning to defect to the revolutionaries before the attack.

Not to mention that France might object in the strongest terms to having a nuclear attack happen on their doorstep.

Wanking over mass slaughter from macho chickenhawk idiots is so tiresome.

[TheDifferenceEngine]

If Britain became Communist the US would nuke you guys. :lol::lol::lol:

And we'll nuke your Cheese-burger inhaling ass back!

[Plagueround]

And we'll nuke your Cheese-burger inhaling ass back!

AND THAT'S WHEN THE REAL WAR WILL BEGIN:

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l156/phobosblack/terminator.jpg

But seriously. The chances of the U.S. nuking anyone these days are pretty slim...even if we dropped a bomb somewhere in the middle east, our allies would rage. I'm actually a bit more worried about a certain middle eastern state that to this day has not declared it's nuclear capabilities, even though everyone knows they have them.