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OI OI OI
23rd September 2008, 23:24
After a week of turmoil on financial markets, on Saturday 20 September President Bush said he was proposing to spend $700bn of taxpayers’ money to buy the rotten mortgage assets held by the banks on Wall Street. He said he was doing this to help the average American family with their homes and jobs.




At the same time Gordon Brown, at the annual Labour party conference in Blackpool, England, was telling delegates the same thing to explain why he intervened personally to ensure the Lloyds Bank bought the Britain’s biggest mortgage lender HBOS last week.


Both were lying. They were not taking these actions to help working people. They did it to save finance capital from disaster.
The Bush-Paulson plan to buy to rotten mortgages, along with the nationalisation of the two biggest mortgage lenders only ten days ago, will mean that the US government will soon own the vast majority of Americans’ mortgages. It will make the vast majority of American household debt held by the government. Overall, it is the biggest nationalisation in world history, equivalent to $6trn, or 45% of annual US output.


But, of course, the devil is in the detail of the terms. This is not expropriating the banks. On the contrary it is saving them - with nearly full compensation, so they can resume their operations and restore their profitability.




In turn, US government debt will rise 40% of GDP to nearly 100%! And what will the taxpayer get for this huge bailout? Just a load of defaulted and non-paying mortgages, along with higher taxes, cuts in public spending on health, education and social security.




And behind those bad debts lie a trail of misery for millions of Americans who will lose their homes and eventually their jobs. Nothing much will be done for them. It won’t stop the unfolding slump in world capitalism that we are entering with rising unemployment, falling real incomes and declining public services.





Instead most of the money will go to help the fat cats of Wall Street get out of their mess. You see, when it comes down to the impending collapse of capitalism, suddenly socialism is a good idea. It’s just this is socialism for the rich, while the rest of us have to continue to live under capitalism.

Die Neue Zeit
24th September 2008, 06:22
It seems that you quoted a mainstream article ("socialism for the rich" implies WELFARISM, not our position on "socialism"). Citation?

cyu
24th September 2008, 19:12
It seems that you quoted a mainstream article ("socialism for the rich" implies WELFARISM, not our position on "socialism").
Right - I don't want to fall into the trap of letting capitalists define our words for us.

To me, socialism means some kind of economic equality.

To capitalists, socialism means government involvement in economics.

Obviously, when they say "socialism for the rich", they're not saying all the rich have economic equality. They're saying the rich get economic support from the government. Thus to them, "socialism" can include massive government intervention in the economy in order to increase the gap between rich and poor - hardly what socialism really means to most self-described socialists.

Lynx
24th September 2008, 20:11
I think one of the newsbots referenced this. The article was meant to be a polemic, lets not take it out of context.

Here:
http://www.marxist.com/socialism-for-the-rich.htm

DancingLarry
25th September 2008, 03:01
Tired of preaching to the choir? Want to try reaching out to Americans pissed off enough to protest against the Big Wall Street Bailout?

Try attending one of these Anti-Bailout Rallies being held all across the country tomorrow, Thursday, S25 (http://truemajority.wiredforchange.com/o/8/t/107/event/search.jsp?distributed_event_KEY=5).

OK, these are being organized by national reformist groups, but these are all little local events where you can talk to local left-liberals and labor types who are pissed enough to take the time to protest economic injustice. Isn't that the way to build a bigger base of support, to reach beyond the choir? To enter into dialogue with the people who know they're being screwed but are adrift and unorganized politically and ideologically?

Sendo
25th September 2008, 03:06
chomsky is the first guy I've heard use the words "socialism for the rich, capitalism for everyone else" by which he means support and solidarity for the rich and pull yourself up by your bootstraps for everyone else.

Of course OI OI OI understands what socialism means. Give him the credit that he doesn't equate socialism with welfare. The phrase he used is an easy-to-understand slogan to rail against state capitalism. I think most people understand that they mean the spirit of socialism and capitalism.