Patriot Act - What do all you righties think of it?

[Social Democrat]

The USA Patriot Act, passed in October 2001 after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
Is this nessecary, or is it an unfair erosion of civil liberties?
I think you know my views..

http://www.politechbot.com/docs/usa.act.fi...nal.102401.html (http://www.politechbot.com/docs/usa.act.final.102401.html)

Very long, and disturbing... At least to me.
And to think there's Patriot Act II on it's way...

[Anonymous]

I'm warry of it. Eventually I'd like to see it repealed by at least 2008.

The Patriot II however, I'm completely against.

[CruelVerdad]

Something like 9//11 had to happen soon or later, the shame is how many died (civilians).

[Saint-Just]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 8:12 pm on Mar. 30, 2003
I'm warry of it. Eventually I'd like to see it repealed by at least 2008.

The Patriot II however, I'm completely against.


Why is this?

I had a look at the act. I thought you were a relatively authoritarian capitalist Dark Capitalist, not a neo-liberal. The only reason I can think that you oppose this act is the way it compromises judicial constitution, freedom and democracy; in the interests of security.

[kelvin90701]

Quote: from Social Democrat on 8:07 pm on Mar. 30, 2003
The USA Patriot Act, passed in October 2001 after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
Is this nessecary, or is it an unfair erosion of civil liberties?
I think you know my views..

http://www.politechbot.com/docs/usa.act.fi...nal.102401.html (http://www.politechbot.com/docs/usa.act.final.102401.html)

Very long, and disturbing... At least to me.
And to think there's Patriot Act II on it's way...


Bad very bad idea. This will come back to haunt us someday.

[Ghost Writer]

Can anybody here point to any one aspect of it the don't like? Be specific, give the number under the title 18 law.

[Ghost Writer]

Personally, I think we should start applying this law against sabotage. Don't worry it's not in the dreaded Patriot Act.

Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 105

Sec. 2153. - Destruction of war material, war premises, or war utilities

(a) Whoever, when the United States is at war, or in times of national emergency as declared by the President or by the Congress, with intent to injure, interfere with, or obstruct the United States or any associate nation in preparing for or carrying on the war or defense activities, or, with reason to believe that his act may injure, interfere with, or obstruct the United States or any associate nation in preparing for or carrying on the war or defense activities, willfully injures, destroys, contaminates or infects, or attempts to so injure, destroy, contaminate or infect any war material, war premises, or war utilities, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than thirty years, or both.

(B) If two or more persons conspire to violate this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be punished as provided in subsection (a) of this section.

(Edited by Ghost Writer at 1:28 am on Mar. 31, 2003)

[kelvin90701]

Good:

SEC. 102. SENSE OF CONGRESS CONDEMNING DISCRIMINATION AGAINST ARAB AND MUSLIM AMERICANS.

(a) Findings.--Congress makes the following findings:
(1) Arab Americans, Muslim Americans, and Americans from
South Asia play a vital role in our Nation and are entitled
to nothing less than the full rights of every American.


Bad: (Presidential eminent domain)

Section 203 of the International Emergency Powers Act (50
U.S.C. 1702) is amended--
``© when the United States is engaged in armed
hostilities or has been attacked by a foreign country or
foreign nationals, confiscate any property, subject to the
jurisdiction of the United States

Bad: (almost anyone above an assistant special agent can get records)

``SEC. 501. ACCESS TO CERTAIN BUSINESS RECORDS FOR FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE AND INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM INVESTIGATIONS.

``(a)(1) The Director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation or a designee of the Director (whose rank shall
be no lower than Assistant Special Agent in Charge) may make
an application for an order requiring the production of any
tangible things (including books, records, papers, documents,
and other items) for an investigation to protect against
international terrorism or clandestine intelligence

Good:
SEC. 363. INCREASE IN CIVIL AND CRIMINAL PENALTIES FOR MONEY LAUNDERING.
SEC. 364. UNIFORM PROTECTION AUTHORITY FOR FEDERAL RESERVE FACILITIES.
SEC. 373. ILLEGAL MONEY TRANSMITTING BUSINESSES.

(a) Scienter Requirement for Section 1960 Violation.--
Section 1960 of title 18, United States Code, is amended to
read as follows:

``Sec. 1960. Prohibition of unlicensed money transmitting
businesses

``(a) Whoever knowingly conducts, controls, manages,
supervises, directs, or owns all or part of an unlicensed
money transmitting business, shall be fined in accordance
with this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
SEC. 414. VISA INTEGRITY AND SECURITY.

(a) Sense of Congress Regarding the Need To Expedite
Implementation of Integrated Entry and Exit Data System.--

[Social Democrat]

Patriot II Info.. Worse than the first one.

http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0213-09.htm

http://www.refuseandresist.org/police_stat...cle.php?aid=628 (http://www.refuseandresist.org/police_state/article.php?aid=628)