Malte Liquor - Malte Liquor, the fake alco, err, communist

[CheGuevara]

As much as I find Chiak extremely distasteful, I think it's more than poor taste to label him as "Lives off wife." Once again, Malte is sacrificing ideology in the name of putting down people, such as when he restricted me to this god awful hellhole of Opposition Ideologies. Perhaps he should restrict himself to here, as he's resorting to sexist capitalist society put down of poopoo-ing someone for allowing their wife to be the breadwinner. Perhaps, if Malte had any real sense of Communism and class warfare, he'd have label Chiak "***** of the System" or something of that nature, due to the fact that this fellow keeps getting laid off in the same system of which he is a proponent.

[Chiak47]

Che,

I do keep getting layed off.It's tough out there,no?
Now the system I'm a "***** too" has problems.But untill someone draws up a simple system for us laymen then capitalism is the choice I support cause it's the system I know.

I tried to read marx and I have to admit I was confused.The world he drew up or added onto if you will
sounds nice and all but it depends on people to trust one another.Where are the checks and balances?

If everyone was the same than why do some have feelings others do not have?
For example I love to fish and hunt but on another thread I was labled a monster.
Now in a society where everyone is the same where would I fit in seeing I get labeled a monster for what I enjoy to do?


Thanks,
Confused in Chicago

[redstar2000]

CG, since you are an anti-semite, I think Malte is super-humanly tolerant to allow you on the board at all. Were it up to me, you'd be permanently banned.

Chiak47, you were titled "lives off wife" because people grew weary of your ultra-masculine posturing and homophobic characterizations. You have only yourself to blame.

As to hunting and fishing, it doesn't seem particularly "monstrous" to me, just primitive and barbaric. You can get as much meat and fish as you can possibly eat at the market; what's the point to killing a wild animal or fish?

But if you're going to hunt or fish for "sport", make it a fair contest. You, naked and unarmed, vs. the animal/fish. The way you "sportsmen" do it now, it resembles a football game...only one side is carrying AK47s. That's not "sport", that's just murder.

:cool:

[Moskitto]

But if you're going to hunt or fish for "sport", make it a fair contest. You, naked and unarmed, vs. the animal/fish. The way you "sportsmen" do it now, it resembles a football game...only one side is carrying AK47s. That's not "sport", that's just murder.

he he, or the fish should have rods with money on them :D

[RedCeltic]

Or we should arm the deer like in that game Deer avenger. ;)

http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdreview/zones/reviews/pc/feb00/da2box.jpg

[Shyne]

Nazi admins.

[Saint-Just]

'CG, since you are an anti-semite'

Che Guevara [the user] is an anti-semite? This seems unlikely whilst he accuses someone for being sexist (Malte). What does Che Guevara have to say to this accusation?

[El Che]

Malte Liquor was funny at first but I think you`re overdoing it.

[Xvall]

This is getting out of hand. Were it up to me I would be 'fixing' a lot of things around this board.

[redstar2000]

Chairman Mao, please look at CG's post in the thread he started "Smells Like Jewish Domination".

I think it smells like Nazi shit! :o

:cool:

[synthesis]

It was RedCeltic who gave Chiak his title, not Malte.

'Lives off wife' was meant more to be a personal blow ('below the belt', if you will) than any sort of informative title.

[Social Democrat]

I say leave the title. It's kind of funny.
Chaik's post quality has been lacking, after all. He just spams and tells people to kill themselves.
IMO, he's not mentally stable.

[sc4r]

Quote: from Chiak47 on 12:30 pm on Mar. 29, 2003
Che,

.The world he drew up or added onto if you will
sounds nice and all but it depends on people to trust one another.Where are the checks and balances?

If everyone was the same than why do some have feelings others do not have?


IS this really the extent of your understanding of Socialism and communism? If so you really ought to find out something more before you even dream of posting criticism because this is not even beginners level.

Socialism does not demand that anyone trust anyone. The checks and balances are prodiced by consensus judgement of the application of law (exactly as do all modern western societies).

Communism is an idealistic state which nobody thinks couls be implemented without radical engineering of human psychology through many, many years of socialism. Even them there is no suggestion that a consensus decsion about individuals could not be reached.

There is not the slightest suggestion in either ideology that eveyone has the same interests, needs, or abilities.

Idealist capitalism also depends on eveyone trusting one another, except that in this case there genuinely is no check and balance.

[CheGuevara]

Mao, a US Democratic Party regional whip got the axe after he made comments that the Zionist Jews in America were partially behind the war on Iraq, and also that he called on them to use their influence to stop it. I called this another piece of evidence in the case of greatly disproportionate Jewish influence in the US government, and that for that, I've been shoveled off to this hole known as "Opposing Ideologies".

[synthesis]

Zionist Jews and Zionist Christians are equally dangerous, and the latter certainly outnumbers the former, in America at least, so why do you single out the Jews?

[CheGuevara]

They got more money to throw around. They're also more zealous than Zionist Christians.

(Edited by CheGuevara at 7:06 am on Mar. 30, 2003)

[synthesis]

They got more money to throw around. Can you prove that?


They're also more zealous than Zionist Christians. Dude, no one is more zealous than a fundamentalist Christian.

[Anonymous]

Except the Islamic ones. I mean, they really put the mental in fundamentallist.

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 12:12 pm on Mar. 30, 2003)

[Social Democrat]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 10:12 pm on Mar. 29, 2003
Except the Islamic ones. I mean, they really put the mental in fundamentallist.

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 12:12 pm on Mar. 30, 2003)


I don't know...
there are some INSANE christians... Namely the entire southern US..

[CheGuevara]

No, I can't prove it, but most American Jews are richer than the average man, and richer than the average other white man.

Yes, about Jesus and all that shit. But when was the last time you saw a Zionist Christian waving a picket sign around defending Israel? Heh, come to think of it, when was the last time you've seen a Jew waving a picket sign around defending Israel? Actually, I've seen it, and I know it happens, but if that few protesters could keep Israel afloat, than the Iraqi War should've been prevented around 1000 times over.

[synthesis]

Well, personally, I think dogmatics and fundamentalists of any religion can be terrible, terrible people.

However, the most powerful and most numerous fundamentalists in the U.S. are Christian, and that's the topic with regards to the Jews. Also, I've never actually met an Islamic fundamentalist, DC, and something makes me doubt that you have, either. Probably not a friendly bunch of people.

[Anonymous]

He does raise an interesting point. After all, AIPAC (http://www.aipac.org/) is the largest lobbying group in the U.S., larger even than the NRA in fact.

[synthesis]

most American Jews are richer than the average man, and richer than the average other white man.Well, that's inescapable. However, to use this fact to hypothesize that Zionist Jews are more powerful than Zionist Christians, the clear implication is that all Jews are Zionist, for they only compose about 2% of the American population, if I remember correctly. And I don't think you want to imply that... if you know what I mean.


But when was the last time you saw a Zionist Christian waving a picket sign around defending Israel? Heh, come to think of it, when was the last time you've seen a Jew waving a picket sign around defending Israel?There really isn't any way to tell a Zionist Christian from a Zionist Jew unless you ask them, because Jewish people don't look any different than white people. And that nose stereotype is utter bullshit.

[CheGuevara]

No, but the vast majority of American Jews are Zionists, probably 90%+, if not far higher.

[synthesis]

What's your source for that? I'd like a link, please.

[CheGuevara]

You obviously must live a very sheltered life if you live in America and don't know this.

[synthesis]

Portland is home to quite a few Jews. In fact, both our Senators are Jewish, I believe. I suppose it might be because most of the company that I keep generally tend to share my beliefs, but it seems like most Jews I've known are of the Marxist variety - an ideology to which Zionism is diametrically opposed.

Now, I wouldn't deny that quite a few Jews are Zionist, probably the majority. That would be foolish, although there are large, ultra-orthodox Jewish groups (Neturai Karta, Jews Not Zionists, et cetera) who are opposed to Israel's existence entirely. Me, I'd settle for a threatened removal of financial aid in order to dispose of the human rights violations Israel so gleefully participates in.

I have an analogy for you, CheGuevara. I'm sure you've seen the diagrams, the names of which have escaped me, where there are two circles, composed of two different groups, which overlap partially to create a new group? For example, there's a red circle and a yellow circle, and the overlapping part is orange. Clear?

Good. Now, picture a big circle containing the word Christian and a much smaller circle containing the word Jews for, as you've admitted, Zionist Jews as a whole are less powerful on an absolute level than the Zionist Christians. I'd make this diagram in Paint, but I wouldn't have anyplace to host the picture. Anyways, picture the Christian circle overlapping the Jewish circle, and the liminal space labeled Zionists.

The reason I've had you picture this in your mind is to demonstrate to you the fallacy of a Jewish conspiracy. The reason this riles people up so much is because it's the same anti-Semitic rhetoric that bigots have been spouting for centuries, creating such events as the Holocaust and the pogroms.

By associating Jews with Zionists, you are blundering in two respects: lumping the non-Zionist sector of the Jewish population with the Zionist sector, and conveniently ignoring the much more powerful Christian Zionist sector. Now, if you had said something about Zionist domination rather than Jewish domination, you would not have pissed anybody off; in fact, that sort of statement is made often here.

Wow, that was the most convoluted post I've ever made. If you sifted through it all, I congratulate you. If you understood it, I applaud you further. I hope you understood my analogy, and if I can find a host for a picture, I'll make one myself.

-Dom

[CheGuevara]

Quote: from DyerMaker on 8:45 am on Mar. 30, 2003


Me, I'd settle for a threatened removal of financial aid in order to dispose of the human rights violations Israel so gleefully participates in.



There's the fundamental difference between you and me. I'd settle for a little-short of carpet bombing the Israeli-zones in order to end the Israeli dominance of Palestine. I also am not simply concerned with modern day human rights violations, but readjustment for the last 50 years of abuse of Palestinians. Even if Israelis stopped their ethnic cleansing now, it still would not make the situation anywhere near fair for the Palestinians.

I understood your post, but I don't remember admitting that Zionist Jews were less powerful than Zionist Christians. Numbers do not always equal power, especially in America.

[synthesis]

No, you didn't admit it. My mistake.

However, have you gleaned anything at all from my attempts to demonstrate the value of attacking the Zionists rather than the Jews?

[CheGuevara]

Perhaps, for scientific accuracy, in the future, I shall say "Jewish Zionists, who make up the majority of the American Jewish community, exercise offensively disproportionate influence". How's that? ;)

[synthesis]

Except then you're leaving out the Christian Zionists, who actually make up the majority of high-up government positions, as well as the American middle class and upper class.

What's your aversion to just saying Zionists? Again, not all Jews are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jews. You'd be making your life a lot easier if you said the former rather than the latter, my friend, although a part of me is starting to think that you simply come here to piss people off.

[CheGuevara]

The richest and the most zealous Zionists are Jews.

Yes, I do come here now to piss people off, since I'm restricted to this worthless forum and am no longer allowed to make any constructive posts. When I made constructive posts under other handles after Malte restricted this one, he immediately restricted them as well. I actually would've dropped the subject a long time ago, at least for the time being, except for the fact that Malte banned me.

(Edited by CheGuevara at 9:38 am on Mar. 30, 2003)

[synthesis]

Can you prove that at all? I outright disagree with you here.

I'm not sure how to get you to understand that I'm not just being PC when I say that it's better to use Zionist than Jewish. By the way, it's RedCeltic who's restricting you, not Malte.

[CheGuevara]

Red Celtic's always had a beef with me, since I'm not exactly Mr Rainbow Flag. I believe in equal treatment for homosexuals, I just don't like most of them, or at least American homosexuals. I'm actually good friends with three Latino homosexuals.

[Saint-Just]

Quote: from redstar2000 on 2:43 am on Mar. 30, 2003
Chairman Mao, please look at CG's post in the thread he started "Smells Like Jewish Domination".

I think it smells like Nazi shit! :o

:cool:


Ok, I will.

[CheGuevara]

You can ***** and moan and call me a Nazi as much as you want. You don't know shit about America, or about me. I have Jewish friends, gay friends, and I'm engaged to a full-bloodied gypsy from Hungary. Oops, wait, most of America probably doesn't know that Nazis went after Gypsies, because it's all about the Jews and the 'Holocaust'. You don't hear all that much about the other 6 million people that were sent to the camps. Chúpame la pinga, pinche güey.

(Edited by CheGuevara at 8:19 pm on April 1, 2003)