Its impossible to end social classes - and your a fool to ev

[englandsgay]

Think about it. When you get your little "real revolution" under way there's got to be a transition time right? Your communist party's supposed to take charge during that time to teach and lead us all toward the goal of a wonderful peaceful governmentaless utopia where we all live in communes or whatever it is you call it, yet you fail to see the contradiction! IN TRYING TO BRING DOWN ONE CLASS YOUR JUST ELEVATING ANOTHER!

and no, they aren't goign to give up power like the crackpipe theory suggests. I mean, since when has any sort of oligarchy(which will be what it is given the small numbers comparitively in this new class compared to the destroyed bourgeios one) given up total power??? men dont and wont and thats the real clinker as to why communist theory is a sack of crap written by a bumb.

unless of course you have a party full of superhero gods who are perfecty genius to instigate the whole matter as well as perfectly benevolent and hate power so much they refuse it when offered. face it, its never going to happen. thats why communism only works as a thoery...(kind of like aristotles philosopher kings or machiavellis prince(after all he says a true prince wouldn't even need his book)) and never's worked out in real life. face it men are imperfect and utopia will never exist till god himself(omnipotent, all knowing, etc) is walking around on earth giving the orders.

so many improbable things have to line up exactly(the least of which is convincing the world your right) in order to pull it off and your just going to create misery when time after time your plans fail (which is, really, 80% of what cappies dont like about communism)

why dont you come up with a new philosophy for crying out loud... something a little more practical..

[redstar2000]

"face it, men are imperfect..."

I already knew that, englandsgay, it was not necessary for you to give me an example in your own post.

In fact, I'll readily concede that if you were the best humanity had to offer, communism would be a hopeless proposition.

Fortunately, things look better than that.

:cool:

[englandsgay]

yea.... but dont you see thats what your whole communist argument rests on! man (or at least some of them) HAVE to be perfect in order to ever bring about the much heralded, "correct marxist revolution."

face it, it'll never work because every country has completly different circumstances which will bang up into and screw up marx's wonderful little plan.

the "real" marxist revolution is like a tightrope walker without a net. the conditions have to be perfect or the man a master of his skill, otherwise one little gust of wind will knock the guy off and cause unspeakable carnage.

if you hate capitalism, come up with your own political, economic system, that isn't so risky and prone to failure. I'd be the first to hop on board.

[hazard]

engalndsgay said this:
Think about it. When you get your little "real revolution" under way there's got to be a transition time right? Your communist party's supposed to take charge during that time to teach and lead us all toward the goal of a wonderful peaceful governmentaless utopia where we all live in communes or whatever it is you call it, yet you fail to see the contradiction! IN TRYING TO BRING DOWN ONE CLASS YOUR JUST ELEVATING ANOTHER!


you miss the idea. you have been well brainwashed.
the revolution is the FINAL class struggle, for once it is complete, there will be ONLY ONE CLASS. A class of workers. All other class struggles have had a series of classess in opposition to one another, with ruling and working and intermediary classess. The bourgeois pigs that rule today made the final division between worker and ruler. The communists that are the final revolutionaries of the rule will end this history of exploitation in one final stroke by eliminating the only class that need be eliminated. There is no elevation, only a levelling of all people. Communism does not just work in theory either. 2 billion chinese. Is that a theory or is that a fact? Anyway, you are right about one thing. As long as brain dead corporate loving slaves are out there to support their capitalist masters like cows lining up for the slaughter, the transition is the most difficult time.

also, I must point out that capitalism does not even work in theory. it is merely a mode of production BETWEEN other modes of production. it replaced the feudal system, and WILL BE replaced by communism. that is, by definition, a system that not only FAILS, but is known to FAIL because it was designed to FAIL. but nobody wants you to know that so lets just pretend that I didn't say it.

[Solzhenitsyn]

"there will be ONLY ONE CLASS"

The "liquidation" of the Kulaks was an attempt to eliminate a socio-economic classthrough mass murder. The Kulaks were a landed conservative peasant class championed by Count Stolypin as a bulwark against radicalisms. He introduced land reforms that greatly expanded this class at the expense of large landholders and hereditary noblemen like your good friend Lenin A.K.A. "Hereditary Nobleman Ulaynov." If the peasantry were thus organized, it would have been difficult for radicals to make inroads into rural areas and thus prove to be an overwhelming obstacle for a radical regime seeking long term domination. His Excellency obviously made one fatal error in his calculation - he mistook the Bolsheviks for human beings. They simply murdered the kulaks by the millions.

[Ghost Writer]

I love this guy.