IrisBright
20th September 2008, 17:03
RCP’s Anti-Homosexual Line: Why Stubbornly Held So Long? (http://mikeely.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/rcps-anti-homosexual-line-why-stubbornly-upheld-so-long/)
Posted by Mike E (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1129785784) on September 20, 2008
http://mikeely.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/pink-triangle.jpg?w=300&h=300 (http://mikeely.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/pink-triangle.jpg)
“I was told what apparently others were told - they were busy. Huh? Busy? Denouncing whole communities as hopeless bourgeois because you were busy? Revolutionaries prevented from joining the party; youth told to cease and desist on gay curiosity; having to live in fear that I’d be found and ridiculed because I couldn’t control the bourgeois gay monster inside me. But they were busy.”
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Kasama is receiving posts from former RCP members describing the issues that brought things to a breaking point.
The question of why the party’s backward view of sexuality and gay people was so stubbornly upheld for so long emerged as an explosive controversy within the RCP during its 2001 program discussions.
This piece by xbox mentions for the first time the “closet” that some gay and bisexual people lived in within the RCP — and discusses the RCP leadership’s claim that their bigoted view of gay people survived thirty years because they had been so busy with other matters — involving the U.S.-Soviet comflict war and the development of an international movement. Too busy all through the 1980s AIDS crisis?
This argument (and others) are laid out by Bob Avakian in his conversation with Bill Martin (published as the book “Marxism and the Call of the Future: Conversations on Ethics, History and Politics (http://www.amazon.com/Marxism-Call-Future-Conversations-Politics/dp/0812695798)“).
Kasama is planning to post excerpts from that Conversations chapter on homosexuality soon.
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by Xbox
Thanks for sharing, Sophie (http://mikeely.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/a-comrade%E2%80%99s-letter-life-inside-the-rcp%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Ccultural-revolution%E2%80%9D/). I wish all this had been here when I left. I have never felt more alone and scared in my life. Having been in that cocoon for so long I was completely unsure of myself. I felt unworthy as a human being. How could they have treated me like that? Is this how we would treat the masses?
True I had discipline problems. It was hard to do things that didnt make sense. But I was totally open with my questions. I believed in the democracy part of DC. When the new homosexuality position came out I felt vindicated. I had stuck with them despite the lack of real debate on line questions. Struggle consisted not of the ardea skybreak style of open intellectual discourse but of going around and around until you said what they wanted to hear.
But the new Homosexuality position (http://revcom.us/margorp/homosexuality.htm) proved they could listen. Maybe there was hope for real discussion. I was so excited by the new position that I never considered what had taken so long. It took friends outside the party to point this out to me.
The weight of that question fell on me like a ton of bricks. Why did it take so long?
Up til then I had believed much of what came down from leadership. They were all-knowing and mighty. Look what amazing stuff we’d been able to create under their leadership.
But this one crack began to fester and spread. If they got this wrong what else could they get wrong? And it wasn’t the wrong line they got wrong. Wrong lines happen. It was the refusal to even consider the line was wrong for over 20 years.
I was told what apparently others were told - they were busy. Huh? Busy? Denouncing whole communities as hopeless bourgeois because you were busy?
Revolutionaries prevented from joining the party; youth told to cease and desist on gay curiosity; having to live in fear that I’d be found and ridiculed because I couldn’t control the bourgeois gay monster inside me. But they were busy. Nothing seemed as certain.
The Hostility After the Discussion
I had always thought, revolution first and the masses and the party will work out the kinks later. Now I wasn’t so sure the masses would be listened to as “the makers of history. ” The Party asked for criticism and struggle on the Homosexual Question and other questions as well. My excitement was renewed. Let the flowers bloom! We actually got to read criticism on the new H position from other comrades! Unheard of.
I laid it all out but my thoughts, ideas and criticisms were repeatedly shut down. I had often felt the disapproval of leadership but this was different. It was a hostility now. Not long after I was gone. I was told later that I had an identity politics line.
Hard to describe what it feels like to truly believe in something. To dedicate your life to it, to sacrifice for it. And then it’s gone.
It was a very dark time for me. No exit counselling. I was told that my contributions had been worthless. That was it. I was lost. It is completely irresponsible and unprincipled to treat former cadre in this way.
I got thru it. I found support in other places. I gradually began to see my inherent value as a human being. I feel like a survivor. Am proud of myself for that.
I do believe another world is possible. It’s been hard to get involved in anything. Am starting here.
Posted by Mike E (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1129785784) on September 20, 2008
http://mikeely.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/pink-triangle.jpg?w=300&h=300 (http://mikeely.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/pink-triangle.jpg)
“I was told what apparently others were told - they were busy. Huh? Busy? Denouncing whole communities as hopeless bourgeois because you were busy? Revolutionaries prevented from joining the party; youth told to cease and desist on gay curiosity; having to live in fear that I’d be found and ridiculed because I couldn’t control the bourgeois gay monster inside me. But they were busy.”
* * * * *
Kasama is receiving posts from former RCP members describing the issues that brought things to a breaking point.
The question of why the party’s backward view of sexuality and gay people was so stubbornly upheld for so long emerged as an explosive controversy within the RCP during its 2001 program discussions.
This piece by xbox mentions for the first time the “closet” that some gay and bisexual people lived in within the RCP — and discusses the RCP leadership’s claim that their bigoted view of gay people survived thirty years because they had been so busy with other matters — involving the U.S.-Soviet comflict war and the development of an international movement. Too busy all through the 1980s AIDS crisis?
This argument (and others) are laid out by Bob Avakian in his conversation with Bill Martin (published as the book “Marxism and the Call of the Future: Conversations on Ethics, History and Politics (http://www.amazon.com/Marxism-Call-Future-Conversations-Politics/dp/0812695798)“).
Kasama is planning to post excerpts from that Conversations chapter on homosexuality soon.
* * * *
by Xbox
Thanks for sharing, Sophie (http://mikeely.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/a-comrade%E2%80%99s-letter-life-inside-the-rcp%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Ccultural-revolution%E2%80%9D/). I wish all this had been here when I left. I have never felt more alone and scared in my life. Having been in that cocoon for so long I was completely unsure of myself. I felt unworthy as a human being. How could they have treated me like that? Is this how we would treat the masses?
True I had discipline problems. It was hard to do things that didnt make sense. But I was totally open with my questions. I believed in the democracy part of DC. When the new homosexuality position came out I felt vindicated. I had stuck with them despite the lack of real debate on line questions. Struggle consisted not of the ardea skybreak style of open intellectual discourse but of going around and around until you said what they wanted to hear.
But the new Homosexuality position (http://revcom.us/margorp/homosexuality.htm) proved they could listen. Maybe there was hope for real discussion. I was so excited by the new position that I never considered what had taken so long. It took friends outside the party to point this out to me.
The weight of that question fell on me like a ton of bricks. Why did it take so long?
Up til then I had believed much of what came down from leadership. They were all-knowing and mighty. Look what amazing stuff we’d been able to create under their leadership.
But this one crack began to fester and spread. If they got this wrong what else could they get wrong? And it wasn’t the wrong line they got wrong. Wrong lines happen. It was the refusal to even consider the line was wrong for over 20 years.
I was told what apparently others were told - they were busy. Huh? Busy? Denouncing whole communities as hopeless bourgeois because you were busy?
Revolutionaries prevented from joining the party; youth told to cease and desist on gay curiosity; having to live in fear that I’d be found and ridiculed because I couldn’t control the bourgeois gay monster inside me. But they were busy. Nothing seemed as certain.
The Hostility After the Discussion
I had always thought, revolution first and the masses and the party will work out the kinks later. Now I wasn’t so sure the masses would be listened to as “the makers of history. ” The Party asked for criticism and struggle on the Homosexual Question and other questions as well. My excitement was renewed. Let the flowers bloom! We actually got to read criticism on the new H position from other comrades! Unheard of.
I laid it all out but my thoughts, ideas and criticisms were repeatedly shut down. I had often felt the disapproval of leadership but this was different. It was a hostility now. Not long after I was gone. I was told later that I had an identity politics line.
Hard to describe what it feels like to truly believe in something. To dedicate your life to it, to sacrifice for it. And then it’s gone.
It was a very dark time for me. No exit counselling. I was told that my contributions had been worthless. That was it. I was lost. It is completely irresponsible and unprincipled to treat former cadre in this way.
I got thru it. I found support in other places. I gradually began to see my inherent value as a human being. I feel like a survivor. Am proud of myself for that.
I do believe another world is possible. It’s been hard to get involved in anything. Am starting here.