i have been laid off!

[danyboy27]

yup! restructiation!

[Bud Struggle]

Congrats! Now you have as the Irish say: "the freedom of the town!"

Use it.

[Dr Mindbender]

Congrats! Now you have as the Irish say: "the freedom of the town!"

Use it.


Freedom!! FTW!!

http://www.breadoflifemission.org/images/homeless%20man1.jpg

[Bud Struggle]

Freedom!! FTW!!

http://www.breadoflifemission.org/images/homeless%20man1.jpg

As I once said: the difference between a poor Capitalist and a poor Communist are this: both see a man drive by in a Bentley--the Captilist says "I'm going to own a car like that some day." The Communist says, "someday that guy will be riding the bus like me."

Listen if you can't take advantage of a situation and learn from what you've done and learn to do something useful youdeserve to be there on the sidewalk. This society we live in provides plenty of opportunity do do all kinds of things to make money. Sitting on the sidewalk feeling sorry for yourself isn't one of them.

(FYI: If someone has an illness or a disability--that's another story.)

[Lynx]

What is the story of this photograph?

[Dust Bunnies]

Tom, so is there opportunities for my struggling uncle who is paying off his wife's credit card bills (who lives on the other side of the country) and can't divorce her because he wouldn't have a place to live? Please give a great solution, make water into wine like teh Jesus.

[Dr Mindbender]

What is the story of this photograph?

no known story, the image came up under a google image search for 'homeless'.

I was using it to poke dark parody of Tomk's opening post.

[danyboy27]

i am somehow happy to have that freedom, the job industry is florishing in my city.

i got 3 week of full pay has a compensation, i got social security, AND a reference letter from my employer.

there is some tempory job avaliable in my buisness, need help tp move stuff for a month or 2.

i dont feel helpless atm, i am kinda torn appart by the choice i should make.

i can do the fallowing things:

-go on social security, and go to university and having a formation paid by the governement.
-looking for a stable job
-become my own boss and look for contract job, 3 to 6 month contract for various well paid job, 13,50 an hour.

i am verry seduced by the opportunity to become my own boss, seem nice, and will give me the opportunity to gain skill in multiple fields, but the studying thing seem good too.

[Robert]

Well, damn. Good luck working through it.

[Jazzratt]

As I once said: the difference between a poor Capitalist and a poor Communist are this: both see a man drive by in a Bentley--the Captilist says "I'm going to own a car like that some day." The Communist says, "someday that guy will be riding the bus like me."

Close, but no cigar. While I can't comment on cars - they hold no interest for me and large networks of more efficient transportation systems that require little or no petrol would be more desirable anyway - I would say that a Capitalist minded person looking at someone with shiny item x, presuming they can't afford it, would think "one day I will own a bigger and/or shinier version of that item" whereas the more Communist leaning would think "one day everyone will own a bigger and/or shinier version of that item, presuming they want it.".

[Comrade B]

the Captilist says "I'm going to own a car like that some day." The Communist says, "someday that guy will be riding the bus like me."

Funny thing, only one of these will come true. The rich man will ride on the bus. But also, the communist will have the ability to ride on the bus as well, which they probably didn't have before. Perhaps, although we are idealists, this makes us more realistic than capitalists.


Tom, so is there opportunities for my struggling uncle who is paying off his wife's credit card bills (who lives on the other side of the country) and can't divorce her because he wouldn't have a place to live? Please give a great solution, make water into wine like teh Jesus.

Oh, I got one too, can capitalism bring my dead uncle back to life who blew his brains out after he lost his job, became an alcoholic because the job market in his area didn't exist anymore, lost his house, and his wife left him?

[Goose]

As I once said: the difference between a poor Capitalist and a poor Communist are this: both see a man drive by in a Bentley--the Captilist says "I'm going to own a car like that some day." The Communist says, "someday that guy will be riding the bus like me."



I appreciate your sentiments, but a utopian communist would surely say "Someday we'll all be driving cars like that"?

Don't set your sights so low! Half full/Half empty.

[RGacky3]

To TomK everything is just flowers, you just have to believe, its like Peter Pan, if you just believe!

[Lynx]

no known story, the image came up under a google image search for 'homeless'.

I was using it to poke dark parody of Tomk's opening post.
Understood. What do you think of TomK's interpretation of the photo?


To TomK everything is just flowers, you just have to believe, its like Peter Pan, if you just believe!
Don't let Tink die!

[danyboy27]

i am doing some job research, and seriously, i wanna try everything!!!!!

[Dean]

Listen if you can't take advantage of a situation and learn from what you've done and learn to do something useful youdeserve to be there on the sidewalk.
TomK, if somebody cannot do something, it is useless to request it of them. You don't seem to have learned anything.

[Die Neue Zeit]

^^^ Indeed. For all his petit-bourgeois and CPUSA credentials, he still equates "communism" with French socialism. Either that, or he knows, but is trying to deliberately mislead wavering RevLeft posters (and worse, real-life class-strugglists outside the board).

[danyboy27]

i think the creation of this tread is a mistake, i was not expeting of talking about politics and shit, just to announce something that happened to my life to the community, not to turn it into a epic anti-tomk tread.

also, i hate how you guy like to turn down people when something exciting happen, its seem to be some kind of sick unspoken rule, that you always have to turn down events that happen.
If something goes wrong, blame society, the individual have no responsabilities whatsoever of what happening to him!

well sir I think that the next day after that layoff could be the best or the worst day of my life, depending on how i aprehend the situation. If i dont stop barking that its the fault of society, i am a victim, the evil capitalist bohoo, i will be on welfare the rest of my life.

But if i see it has a challenge and if i look life on the bright side, i will find a job quick, and if not, i would have gained experience on how find a job. In a socialist society everyone have to get together to make thing work, i respect that and i will be the first to get in line to work fo the state factory if it would happen. But for now i am living in another society, and i need to look at the opportunities that the world give me in order to live. Its not about being the most competent, or the most quick, or the best, its about opportunities, finding those opportunities and take them.

i am gonna have a great life, no matter in wich system i am living it.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Ask Tom for a job. :cool:

[Robert]

If i dont stop barking that its the fault of society, i am a victim, the evil capitalist bohoo, i will be on welfare the rest of my life.

I hope that the communists, even after the revolution, will respect this guy's sense of personal responsibility in the face of adversity.

[Bud Struggle]

well sir I think that the next day after that layoff could be the best or the worst day of my life, depending on how i aprehend the situation. If i dont stop barking that its the fault of society, i am a victim, the evil capitalist bohoo, i will be on welfare the rest of my life. You can either take control of your life or you can let other control it--your choice of how to live your life and your choice of the the quality of your life can't be any easier than that.



i am gonna have a great life, no matter in wich system i am living it.Fucking "A" Good choice! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

[Sprinkles]

Dear LiveJournal,


i think the creation of this tread is a mistake, i was not expeting of talking about politics and shit, just to announce something that happened to my life to the community, not to turn it into a epic anti-tomk tread.



Listen if you can't take advantage of a situation and learn from what you've done and learn to do something useful youdeserve to be there on the sidewalk. This society we live in provides plenty of opportunity do do all kinds of things to make money. Sitting on the sidewalk feeling sorry for yourself isn't one of them.




I hope that the communists, even after the revolution, will respect this guy's sense of personal responsibility in the face of adversity.


Amusing personal anecdotes aside, the argument about personal responsibility and bootstraps is fallacious since involuntary unemployment by definition means that the cause is in the socio-economic sphere. Open unemployment is a structural feature to keep wages competitive since fear of unemployment keeps a workforce compliant. More importantly during an economic downturn it means that it's even less likely that everyone will find a replacement job. You apparently did so good for you, but it does not say anything about people who can't.

[Bud Struggle]

You apparently did so good for you, but it does not say anything about people who can't.

Sure it does. It says that these people haven't taken care of themselves, made wrong choices and haven't prepared themselves to compete in the world for a living. They haven't taken personal responsibility for themselves and (wrongly) expected society to baby them forever. They expected to get a job in the big "mothership" company and be taken care of from cradle to grave without nary a worry in the world.

Well unfortunately life is a competition and the best survive better than the worst. Now of course, society has a safty net of welfare and food stamps and whatnot for those who fail--but only till they get themselves back up on their feet.

It's not my job to support the ne're-do-wells of the world, (as a Christian of course, I do support Charities.) It's everyone's job to make this economy work and those people that haven't gotten themselves because of personal choices made in life to be in a position to HELP the economy--do nothing but bring it down.

There is nothing wrong with each human being taking personal responsibility for his/her life. We should have safty nets to help people that fail or have problems--but in the end you are responsible for your own success or failure. At least in the United States, I definitely understand that other places have other problems.

[danyboy27]

Another thing people should learn beside being autonomous should be knowing what the state have to do for you. So fews peoples ignore the duties of their respectives governements, there is a whole wolrd of bureaucracy explore, but in all that jungle treasures are hidden. Here is something funny about govvernements: they do a lot of funding program, help programs, invalidity programs, but they never tell anybody those programs exist, they just exist, its up to the citizen to know them. That a bad way of doing things but its bureaucracy, what do you expect from that.

[Die Neue Zeit]

They haven't taken personal responsibility for themselves and (wrongly) expected society to baby them forever. They expected to get a job in the big "mothership" company and be taken care of from cradle to grave without nary a worry in the world.

You really, really are ignorant about the rampant phenomenon of underemployment, aren't you? :rolleyes:

[Sprinkles, both unemployment and underemployment, the temporary status of being in the latter having truly radicalized me, keep wages competitive and the workforce compliant.]


It's not my job to support the ne're-do-wells of the world, (as a Christian of course, I do support Charities.) It's everyone's job to make this economy work and those people that haven't gotten themselves because of personal choices made in life to be in a position to HELP the economy--do nothing but bring it down.

As usual, you equate "communism" with French socialism, either as a false belief or as a deliberate disinformation attempt. After all your time in the CPUSA, you haven't yet figured out the difference between French socialism and "The same amount of labor which he has given to society in one form, he receives back in another."


The same amount of labor which he has given to society in one form, he receives back in another.

Here, obviously, the same principle prevails as that which regulates the exchange of commodities, as far as this is exchange of equal values. Content and form are changed, because under the altered circumstances no one can give anything except his labor, and because, on the other hand, nothing can pass to the ownership of individuals, except individual means of consumption. But as far as the distribution of the latter among the individual producers is concerned, the same principle prevails as in the exchange of commodity equivalents: a given amount of labor in one form is exchanged for an equal amount of labor in another form.

[danyboy27]

the way you preceive unemployement is completly wack, look like some kind of conspiracy tehory.

Capitalists and socialist regimes have nothing to gain from heavy unemployement.

look at south africa, they got like 30% unemployement and all regimes that are having bad day have this problem. Unemployement is a symptom of the stagnation of the local and national industry.

In my city, the unemployement rate is extremely low, beccause of that, economy soar, industry are growing and need more worker.

in my father city, unemployement rate is fucking high, has a result, industries stoppped their developement, and the salaries are extremely low. Unemployement benefit to NOBODY, and i dont think canadian and american political party tell to themselve: hoo year, lets make the unemployement rate high, so we can pay them less!

nobody want economic stagnation.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Capitalists and socialist regimes have nothing to gain from heavy unemployement.


http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1770/youfailfratboyrp7.png

Right lets say we have a small town of 500 in which the sole source of employment is a factory with a shop attached. The factory/shop can employ a max of 100 people.

People in the factory get paid 10 bellends a month. People who dont work get paid two bellends on welfare if they are lucky. A pot of noodles from the factory shop costs half a bellend so obviously the workers will want to live better lives which will require them to work at the factory.

Now say Curly-jim-pubes want 20 bellends because he is spending all his cash on noodles and has none left to do stuff like have a car. He goes up to the factory owner (mr l,roydickface) and demands his payrise.

Mr l,roydickface has no problems in kicking Curly-jim-pubes out on his arse because theres a fuckload of people who want his space at the factory and wont complain about wages.

End of drunken story.

[danyboy27]

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1770/youfailfratboyrp7.png

Right lets say we have a small town of 500 in which the sole source of employment is a factory with a shop attached. The factory/shop can employ a max of 100 people.

People in the factory get paid 10 bellends a month. People who dont work get paid two bellends on welfare if they are lucky. A pot of noodles from the factory shop costs half a bellend so obviously the workers will want to live better lives which will require them to work at the factory.

Now say Curly-jim-pubes want 20 bellends because he is spending all his cash on noodles and has none left to do stuff like have a car. He goes up to the factory owner (mr l,roydickface) and demands his payrise.

Mr l,roydickface has no problems in kicking Curly-jim-pubes out on his arse because theres a fuckload of people who want his space at the factory and wont complain about wages.

End of drunken story.
this would fit for a third world country or a 1920 north american city.
IF you where right, then ethiopia would be an economic power by now, but hoo wait! they failed!

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c235/spetznaz21/chris-hansen.jpg

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

this would fit for a third world country or a 1920 north american city.
IF you where right, then ethiopia would be an economic power by now, but hoo wait! they failed!

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c235/spetznaz21/chris-hansen.jpg

Epic Fail. Of course my story is simplified i cant be arsed to right about the effects of a pizza joint opening in a city such as london.

Etheopia may have situations like that and there are some rich motherfuckers by ethioipain standards there. Having a few rich motherfuckers will not elevate those rich motherfucker's nation up in in terms of globalization.


What will happen is the rich motherfucker will get taxed abit and most of that will go into the pockets of the goverment or spent on repaying debts.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1448/chainkidfailbh5.jpg

[danyboy27]

i still have no viable exemple on how this wacky theory work.

and if you dont have exemples to give me, well, my point still work.

all that shit would be coherent if capitalism would be a monolithic block, but capitalism is not a single entity.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

i still have no viable exemple on how this wacky theory work.

See my post in which i use a simplified senerio. It works like that but jobs suppliers are just cautious how many jobs they allow.

No matter what some people may think capi bastards dont meet up to fuck people over (and sit in swivel chairs stroking white cats). But unless they are as thick as shit they will relise its more profitable to keep an unemployment level from massively decreasing so they can pay workers less.


Edit: why are you not restricted?

[danyboy27]

See my post in which i use a simplified senerio. It works like that but jobs suppliers are just cautious how many jobs they allow.

No matter what some people may think capi bastards dont meet up to fuck people over (and sit in swivel chairs stroking white cats). But unless they are as thick as shit they will relise its more profitable to keep an unemployment level from massively decreasing so they can pay workers less.


you know, here unemployement is like 2%, and the buisness that pay their people less are starting to DIE, they dont have the choice, they need to pay peoples more, but at the end, its a good thing beccause economy is a lot better, expanding.

in a lot of other city of quebec, its all the opposite, more unemployement, buisness cant pay their peoples beccause the buisness sector is almost dead, no more clients, beccause everyone is poor and unemployed. unemployement destroy society. Detroit is becoming a ghost town right now for the same reason.


why are you not restricted?
beccause i dont mess over the other sections of that forum, i stay right there, i obey to the rules, and i dont move from there, and i dont try to influence hardcore commies, i leave them alone, i only mess with people that are in the OI section, wich mean i am not a treat to the global commie community and that i will never put in their head impure idea.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

you know, here unemployement is like 2%, and the buisness that pay their people less are starting to DIE, they dont have the choice, they need to pay peoples more, but at the end, its a good thing beccause economy is a lot better, expanding.

2% unemployment aint that much. In the UK its around 5.5%

Those business that are starting die are probs little ones we who cannot afford to keep up with what the "big-boys" are offering. (Could you give me more info on your situation non empolyment related stuff too)


in a lot of other city of quebec, its all the opposite, more unemployement, buisness cant pay their peoples beccause the buisness sector is almost dead, no more clients, beccause everyone is poor and unemployed.
Yup that happens. Unempoylment really fucks up the economy of a area.



unemployement destroy society.

Do you really think the businesspeople give a fuck about socitey? if keeping unemployment high makes a profit for them they will do it.


Detroit is becoming a ghost town right now for the same reason.

Can i have some stats (from what i understand detorit is a big fucker of a city)

[danyboy27]

Do you really think the businesspeople give a fuck about socitey? if keeping unemployment high makes a profit for them they will do it.

city)
buisness people give a fuck about their ass, and if they fuck up society, they gonna be fucked, beccause a bad economy mean certain death for their buisness. I agree some buisness are real fucker, that why the governement should take action to put them back on the real track when they mess up.




Can i have some stats (from what i understand detorit is a big fucker of a city)
i dont have stats, but it dosnt take a genius to understand that unemployement affect the whole city.


2% unemployment aint that much. In the UK its around 5.5%

Those business that are starting die are probs little ones we who cannot afford to keep up with what the "big-boys" are offering.

to survive in that hellish system, you have to innovate, and a lot of small buisness did it here to compete with the big ones, and it worked. treating your employee like shit and paying them like shit will kill a buisnesss, ALL THE WAY.
You know why there is people that prefers to work for MC donald rather than working for a small pizza shop? work conditions are better, to survive, the pizza shop have to offer something to compete with, either better pay or flexible schedule. At this stage its not about money, its about inventivity

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

buisness people give a fuck about their ass, and if they fuck up society, they gonna be fucked, beccause a bad economy mean certain death for their buisness.

Depends on the business. Im sure some business would rather have a bad economy which would not invite compaition.


I agree some buisness are real fucker, that why the governement should take action to put them back on the real track when they mess up.

What if the corparations have the goverment by the nuts?




i dont have stats, but it dosnt take a genius to understand that unemployement affect the whole city.

Yes it does but you are failing to take other factors into acount.




to survive in that hellish system, you have to innovate, and a lot of small buisness did it here to compete with the big ones, and it worked.

Most small business i know get closed down pretty fast.



treating your employee like shit and paying them like shit will kill a buisnesss, ALL THE WAY.

Depends on the cicimstances it might damage a business where corparations are competing for employees but in most cases meeting the goverment requirements are all that is done.


You know why there is people that prefers to work for MC donald rather than working for a small pizza shop? work conditions are better, to survive, the pizza shop have to offer something to compete with, either better pay or flexible schedule. At this stage its not about money, its about inventivity

Did you mix up your post? most people would rather work at a pizza shop then for a golden archers fast food store.

Pizza shop business do often have a avantage over macdonolds but they tend to only employ around four people. Wheres macdonolds is often 24/7 and has about 12 people on the go at once.

[Bud Struggle]

You really, really are ignorant about the rampant phenomenon of underemployment, aren't you? :rolleyes: I don't think 5-6% as "rampant." Maybe it's me. As I see it a lot of these people are in "transition" from one job to another. And there's unemployment checks and welfare and food stamps. and yes there are some cronic unemployed--I understand that, but at probably 2% of the population--you have to expect that. Am I missing a point?


[Sprinkles, both unemployment and underemployment, the temporary status of being in the latter having truly radicalized me, keep wages competitive and the workforce compliant.] 10% would radiclize me.


As usual, you equate "communism" with French socialism, either as a false belief or as a deliberate disinformation attempt. After all your time in the CPUSA, you haven't yet figured out the difference between French socialism and "The same amount of labor which he has given to society in one form, he receives back in another." FYI: Just so that you understand--most of my CPUSA literature I receive is--"Get Out the Vote For Obama." Dros is right, not much really going on there. :rolleyes:

And maybe I DO MISS THE POINT. But then if one receives back what one gives in--Socialism is much kinder than Communism. What do you do with the guy that can't hack it? Carry him? Capitalism does--we have no other option, 'cept let him starve. So we feed him, treat him like trash, but feed him and cloth him and hope for the best.

You can become a drunk if you are out of a job under Capitalism--we give you money to buy your gin.

[Die Neue Zeit]

I don't think 5-6% as "rampant." [...] Am I missing a point?

Yes. I think you're measuring the wrong figure here. You are measuring unemployment, not the underemployment that I mentioned (then again, stats aren't collected for this phenomenon :( ).

This affects well-educated immigrants, people graduating from college/uni, and others, people who have lost jobs due to outsourcing and aren't freely provided re-training, etc.


And maybe I DO MISS THE POINT. But then if one receives back what one gives in--Socialism is much kinder than Communism. What do you do with the guy that can't hack it? Carry him? Capitalism does--we have no other option, 'cept let him starve. So we feed him, treat him like trash, but feed him and cloth him and hope for the best.

You can become a drunk if you are out of a job under Capitalism--we give you money to buy your gin.

And that, my friend, is what's wrong with $$$ (BTW, I'm not surprised at the CPUSA bullshit). Without limits like those on electronic food stamp cards, $$$ can circulate to hire wage labour and form money-capital, and it can also circulate to purchase drugs and alcohol. Maybe a special form of labour credit should be given to retirees (as retirement income), the disabled, and the odd person who is irrational enough to not want to work under socialism - credit which would have food stamp restrictions (one can spend such and such credit only on basic consumption necessities), anti-luxury restrictions, and anti-"drug" restrictions.

[Robert]

FYI: Just so that you understand--most of my CPUSA literature I receive is--"Get Out the Vote For Obama." Dros is right, not much really going on there.Well, that's hilarious on a couple of different levels!:lol:

I wonder if the McCain camp knows the CPUSA is shilling for the Big O!

[pusher robot]

Close, but no cigar. While I can't comment on cars - they hold no interest for me and large networks of more efficient transportation systems that require little or no petrol would be more desirable anyway - I would say that a Capitalist minded person looking at someone with shiny item x, presuming they can't afford it, would think "one day I will own a bigger and/or shinier version of that item" whereas the more Communist leaning would think "one day everyone will own a bigger and/or shinier version of that item, presuming they want it.".

No, no, no. The real capitalist thinks "one day everyone will own a bigger and/or shinier thing, and I, by making it possible, will profit!"

[Sprinkles]

Hurr... Bootstraps and Christian compassion.


Even liberals see society as a social contract, so big whoop for you.



...but in the end you are responsible for your own success or failure.
Apparently there is no such thing as a permanent level of unemployment, racism or the connection between wealth and quality of eduction.



It's everyone's job to make this economy work and those people that haven't gotten themselves because of personal choices made in life to be in a position to HELP the economy--do nothing but bring it down.
If you see the greater goal of mankind as contributing to the economy you're pretty shallow, normal people work to live and don't live to work.

[Sprinkles]

the way you preceive unemployement is completly wack, look like some kind of conspiracy tehory.


Open unemployment is a completely mainstream economic idea and the notion that people stay with their low-quality jobs out of fear of unemployment is nothing out of the ordinary. Full employment is simply not a goal of capitalism.



Capitalists and socialist regimes have nothing to gain from heavy unemployement.

look at south africa, they got like 30% unemployement and all regimes that are having bad day have this problem. Unemployement is a symptom of the stagnation of the local and national industry.
The economy is international so it's inevitable some will do better at the expense of others. Outsourcing production to a cheap labourforce in developing countries will always be more profitable for the outsourcing companies than it is for the foreign workforce it's outsourced to.



In my city, the unemployement rate is extremely low, beccause of that, economy soar, industry are growing and need more worker.

in my father city, unemployement rate is fucking high, has a result, industries stoppped their developement, and the salaries are extremely low. Unemployement benefit to NOBODY, and i dont think canadian and american political party tell to themselve: hoo year, lets make the unemployement rate high, so we can pay them less!

nobody want economic stagnation.
Neither do they want full employment, if wages are raised enough to endanger the profitability of production, the company goes bankrupt. Unemployment is a means to ensure minimum wage stays low thereby keeping wages competitive and profitable. Have you considered that the capitalist system is full of self-contradictions, that for example unlimited growth (capitalism) in a closed system with limited resources (earth) is not even possible.



[Sprinkles, both unemployment and underemployment, the temporary status of being in the latter having truly radicalized me, keep wages competitive and the workforce compliant.]

It can give you lots of time to read, that's for sure. :lol:

[Die Neue Zeit]

^^^ I didn't read much before coming to this board, though (and by that time I was no longer underemployed). :(


No, no, no. The real capitalist thinks "one day everyone will own a bigger and/or shinier thing, and I, by making it possible, will profit!"

Yeah... profit from others' LABOUR (not to mention the labour performed in marketing) :rolleyes:

Unless you have conveniently forgotten that most marketing these days is done by professional WORKERS (or managers)...