Laws for all? It's unfortunate that it is so...

[apathy maybe]

Acting Premier Paul Lucas says the justice system is there to protect everyone.

"The legal system is there for you and me and unfortunately also for people like Dennis Ferguson," he said.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/19/2369414.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/19/2369596.htm

The Acting Premier of Queensland, a state of Australia, has said that it is "unfortunate" that the law is there for everyone.

It is my opinion that this view is disgusting when expressed by those in power in "liberal democratic" societies. What do you think?

[Elliot_R]

Why should people such as him be given the same protection as a decent person? That is what is disgusting.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/19/2369414.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/19/2369596.htm

The Acting Premier of Queensland, a state of Australia, has said that it is "unfortunate" that the law is there for everyone.

It is my opinion that this view is disgusting when expressed by those in power in "liberal democratic" societies. What do you think?
He didn't say it was unfortunate that the law was there for everyone. He said it was unfortunate that the legal system was there for certain people like child molestors, the point obviously being that in certain cases the legal system creates an outcome that does not serve justice. It's a valid point to make.

[apathy maybe]

Why should people such as him be given the same protection as a decent person? That is what is disgusting.
I know, why should the law and legal system treat everyone equally? I think that people who kill or beat up fuckers (non-decent people) such as yourself should be reward!

In a "liberal democratic" society, you have to support equality in all cases, especially the fringe cases, because if you don't it becomes that much more easy to attack the centre.

What is that famous quote about the Nazis? First they came for the Communists, the socialists, the trade unionists, the Jews, but I was not one of them so I did not speak out. Then they came for me and there was nobody left to speak out for me.

Fuck off with your "decency" bullshit. (Are you also against homosexuality and sex before marriage?)


He didn't say it was unfortunate that the law was there for everyone. He said it was unfortunate that the legal system was there for certain people like child molestors, the point obviously being that in certain cases the legal system creates an outcome that does not serve justice. It's a valid point to make.
The legal system is the law. The law is nothing without a means to enforce it.

Anyway, remember, "liberal democracy", where once a person has "served their time", they are free again. There should be no such thing as a "perpetual punishment" (though there are actually).

To talk of "justice" while talking about the "legal system" is absurd. The legal system is not about justice, it is about punishment, revenge and keeping "naughty" people off the streets.

OK, what if this person who was driven out of town wasn't actually who they thought he was? What if he was someone who had never broken a law in his life? Would that innocent person deserve compensation?

Is it only that because a person has been convicted of an offence that they loose legal protection from crimes against them? Is it OK if I steal things from a thief? Because such folks don't deserve legal protection?

Unless the law applies equally to all, you end up in an absurd situation. (Wait, sorry, an even more absurd situation.)

[Qwerty Dvorak]

To talk of "justice" while talking about the "legal system" is absurd. The legal system is not about justice, it is about punishment, revenge and keeping "naughty" people off the streets.
Yeah yeah, state is evil etc. etc. The point of the legal system is to enforce and ensure justice, that is its generally accepted task. Sometimes, however, the legal system for whatever reason fails to produce an outcome that is just. What is just, of course, varies according to who you ask but this Premier is as entitled to his opinion as anyone.


OK, what if this person who was driven out of town wasn't actually who they thought he was? What if he was someone who had never broken a law in his life? Would that innocent person deserve compensation?
Why don't you ask the courts. Me, I say yes.



Is it only that because a person has been convicted of an offence that they loose legal protection from crimes against them? Is it OK if I steal things from a thief? Because such folks don't deserve legal protection?
Eh, sorry, this is not about criminal proceeding, this is about civil proceedings. There is a difference.

And of course everybody is entitled to legal protection, but the extent of legal protection one deserves can vary according to the nature of one's relationship with society.


Unless the law applies equally to all, you end up in an absurd situation. (Wait, sorry, an even more absurd situation.)
The law could apply equally to all while still denying the paedophile compensation, if the law was crafted in such a way. So I don't know what you're talking about. Unless you think that there should be absolute formal equality and that the law should not differentiate or discriminate between different kinds of people, which is an absolutely ridiculous and absurd idea. That is why it's not practiced anywhere.

[RGacky3]

In order for the state to treat people differently under the law, the State would have to make moral judgements, and why on earth would anyone trust the state, or want to give it that power, to make moral judgements.

[the questionist]

To Mrs(Ms) Apathy_maybe:

You appear to be a very knowledgeable and intelligent poster. But why so aggressive? I don't think theres anything 'wrong' with all the profanity but it rubs off as aesthetically negative. I think your points would resonate more without all the extra-added aggression.

You may very well be right about all the points but imagine how it would seem if a scientist at a convention explains a valid scientific theory using an aggressive method and a lot of profanity. This is the way I am reading you and I'm sure others are as well.

Ciao