Interracial Marriage + Dating

[progressive_lefty]

What are people's thoughts about interracial dating and marriage? Have things changed? Is it still looked down upon by some families or society in general?
It seems as though its more controversial in the United States then it is in more liberal nations in Europe, and countries like New Zealand and Australia that have a growing Asian population.
Do people still feel pushed by society into dating someone of their 'own', then dating someone from a completely different race?
Spike Lee has explored this in some of his films. This video is pretty shocking: link (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=DSfZHwWyo14&feature=related)

[Bright Banana Beard]

What are people's thoughts about interracial dating and marriage? Nothing wrong with it.


Have things changed?Thing changed.

Is it still looked down upon by some families or society in general? Indeed it still does, but mostly families.


It seems as though its more controversial in the United States then it is in more liberal nations in Europe, and countries like New Zealand and Australia that have a growing Asian population.
We embrace them, but the anti-immigration does not.


Do people still feel pushed by society into dating someone of their 'own', then dating someone from a completely different race?
Yes, mostly from conservative or traditionalist family. They feared condition change.


Spike Lee has explored this in some of his films. This video is pretty shocking: link (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=DSfZHwWyo14&feature=related) As I said above.

[Yazman]

What are people's thoughts about interracial dating and marriage?

There's no such thing as race. There's only one human race. the concept of "interracial" anything is fucking ridiculous. Genetics shows us it's really not that simple. That said, I have no problems with anybody dating or marrying outside of their own ethnicity.


Have things changed? Is it still looked down upon by some families or society in general? There's still a lot of racism, and while overall I would say (at least in some places) it's never really an issue, there's still a lot of racist people who will make it one.


It seems as though its more controversial in the United States then it is in more liberal nations in Europe, and countries like New Zealand and Australia that have a growing Asian population.There's a lot of racism in Australia but overall I would say that people here realise that the concept of "interracial" relationships is a primitive and useless one. I've never seen any sort of problem with it, although I have encountered a lot of racism in general. But it usually doesn't come into relationships.


Do people still feel pushed by society into dating someone of their 'own', then dating someone from a completely different race?Not really in my area, but I would say (for example) in a lot of south and southeast asian nations there is definitely a "pushing" of that sort occurring.

[Raúl Duke]

I'm a product of what some people call a "inter-racial marriage"

My dad's "white", my mother is "hispanic", and I was raised in PR (with a lot of U.S. influence since I went to bilingual private schools, which was a big drain on our budget, and had access to cable TV)

[Holden Caulfield]

nothing wrong with it, doubt anybody i know would even the biggest wankers i know arent rascists (many other things but not rascists),

im from a not very multi cultural place and have never even kissed a non white person, :(, i feel like a sexual bigot

[Comrade B]

What are people's thoughts about interracial dating and marriage? Have things changed? Is it still looked down upon by some families or society in general?

Interracial marriage is the most feared thing by the republicans in the United States. In particular, black men and white women.
Only one person I have dated was of western European decent. I learned while dating the others who of my "friends" were complete ass holes. People are quite open with their discomfort.

If one were to think that the US is at least progressive enough to accept interracial couples, take a look at television commercials and try to find one with an interracial couple.

[Foldered]

There is nothing wrong with it, but depending on the society, their views may differ. Love who you love. Race, gender, class (and most anything else) should not restrict it.

[Chapaev]

Marriages between different "races" such as white and black Americans is perfectly fine, because these "races" are part of the same nation.

[Foldered]

Marriages between different "races" such as white and black Americans is perfectly fine, because these "races" are part of the same nation.
Am I correct in assuming that you would argue that cross-cultural marriages are wrong?

[Sendo]

nothing wrong with it, doubt anybody i know would even the biggest wankers i know arent rascists (many other things but not rascists),

im from a not very multi cultural place and have never even kissed a non white person, :(, i feel like a sexual bigot

It's not wrong--you're just missing out.

[counterblast]

I know I certainly feel pressured sometimes.

My partner is Black and I am Azerbaijani, and my family hates it. Although I rarely see them; I've been told many times, in no uncertain terms that they'd rather I settle down with a nice Arab boy.

:rolleyes:

[Oswy]

Nothing wrong with it at all. The US, because of its particular history, has 'issues' more than most about black and white relationships, but these can't be defended, any such objections are irrational.

[progressive_lefty]

There's no such thing as race. There's only one human race. the concept of "interracial" anything is fucking ridiculous. Genetics shows us it's really not that simple. That said, I have no problems with anybody dating or marrying outside of their own ethnicity.

There's still a lot of racism, and while overall I would say (at least in some places) it's never really an issue, there's still a lot of racist people who will make it one.

There's a lot of racism in Australia but overall I would say that people here realise that the concept of "interracial" relationships is a primitive and useless one. I've never seen any sort of problem with it, although I have encountered a lot of racism in general. But it usually doesn't come into relationships.

Not really in my area, but I would say (for example) in a lot of south and southeast asian nations there is definitely a "pushing" of that sort occurring.


There's no doubt racism is still really prevalent in Australian society. The phenomenon of the Asian 'mail-order bride' in Australia in the last decade with old white men, is certainly changing the way things used to be. There is a former One Nation (racist party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Nation_%28Australia%29)) elected politician in my city who can now be seen around town with a very young Asian wife.
The sort of people that voted for One Nation, being grumpy old ignorant white men, are now seen with young asian wives across Australia. Don't ask me about the amount of people I have met who have an old white father and a young asian mum.

[Yazman]

There's no doubt racism is still really prevalent in Australian society. The phenomenon of the Asian 'mail-order bride' in Australia in the last decade with old white men, is certainly changing the way things used to be. There is a former One Nation (racist party (http://www.anonym.to/?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Nation_%28Australia%29)) elected politician in my city who can now be seen around town with a very young Asian wife.
The sort of people that voted for One Nation, being grumpy old ignorant white men, are now seen with young asian wives across Australia. Don't ask me about the amount of people I have met who have an old white father and a young asian mum.

You're right; it is odd. I have not encountered much in the way of racism towards me because of my relationship here (I am ethnically Australian, and my girlfriend is asian). Although, the last time I visited her country I did encounter a little bit of racism towards me.

I think it tends to be more of an issue for (racist?) people when it's a cross-cultural relationship. I think some of them tend to be able to deal with simply inter-ethnic relationships easier. Maybe I'm wrong, this is just a speculation really.

[Sendo]

we could avoid speculation and just ask a racist by moving this to OI, but then again no nazis and fascists are allowed.

How about we forward this to stormfront and hear their thoughts.

[Black Dagger]

You're right; it is odd. I have not encountered much in the way of racism towards me because of my relationship here (I am ethnically Australian, and my girlfriend is asian). Although, the last time I visited her country I did encounter a little bit of racism towards me.

Do you mean white australian or Indigenous?

Coz if it's the former :confused:

Australian /=/ white

[Oneironaut]

Marriages between different "races" such as white and black Americans is perfectly fine, because these "races" are part of the same nation.

Are you kidding me? I feel like there may be a tinge of sarcasm in your statement, but I can't be sure.

[Chapaev]

Am I correct in assuming that you would argue that cross-cultural marriages are wrong?
A common language, territory, economic cohesion and psychology are the prerequisites of a nation. Unless two people share these features, they could not get in a feasible relationship. I argue that a relationship between different "races" belonging to the same nation is acceptable, but that a relationship between people of different nations is often not feasible.

[Black Dagger]

I argue that a relationship between different "races" belonging to the same nation is acceptable, but that a relationship between people of different nations is often not feasible.

It's a bit odd that you call one type of relationship 'acceptable' and the other 'often not feasible' - why not feasible and unfeasible? Or acceptable and unacceptable?

The latter makes much more sense given the language you've used in this thread.

Anyway, in response to the question of 'cross-cultural marriage' you're claiming that inter-national relationships are not feasible because they don't share the features of a nation in common. But people (or relationships) are not 'nations' - what you're saying is very confusing.

How do people share 'territory, economic cohesion and psychology' anyway? Simply by living in the same country? To say that sharing a common language is usually an important characteristic of a healthy relationship then - sure, that's reasonable.

But the other stuff?

I don't understand how any of it is even directly relevant to the 'feasibility' of 'marriage' or relationships.

Besides, there is plenty of people who form successful relationships with people of other nations; 'intercultural marriage' and relationships are also common throughout history - primarily as a result of immigration - the movement of people around the world - that is a characteristic of human society.

[Chapaev]

It's a bit odd that you call one type of relationship 'acceptable' and the other 'often not feasible' - why not feasible and unfeasible? Or acceptable and unacceptable?I do not find anything morally problematic with a 'cross-cultural' relationship. I just don't think that it's practical due to linguistic, psychological, and other barriers. And because immigrants have become part of the nation of their adopted country, there would not be anything wrong with a relationship between an immigrant and a person whose family has lived in a country for generations.

[Black Dagger]

Ok... so then what is the material difference between a marriage of an immigrant and a 'native' and 'cross-cultural' marriage? :confused:

I don't see how someones citizenship status would effect the feasability of a relationship? I mean, what other 'cross-cultural' relationships are there besides between migrants and 'natives'? I would say, between two 'natives' of different cultural backgrounds - but you seem to be suggesting that everyone of the same country shares the same culture and are not effected by any of these 'barriers' you talk about.

[progressive_lefty]

When this topic comes up, people usually say 'you never see an asian guy with a white girl, but you always see white guys with asian girls'. There's a stack of videos on youtube about this topic. There are also videos now appearing on youtube about how black men are dating white women, and black women are becoming single. Not to say any of this means anything really, but it does appear that the whole issue of interracial dating, and maybe dating in general, is much different in the US then other Western Countries that have embraced Social Democratic principles (Europe, Australia, NZ).

[Black Dagger]

Australia has a history of virulent racism - as much as the US - which SD principals has australia embraced? And how?

[benhur]

Australia has a history of virulent racism - as much as the US - which SD principals has australia embraced? And how?

Right about that. I don't know why people always say Australia is better.

I've lived there a few years ago, and I found most people to be racist. Every time I went out with a white girl (it may not even be a date, just going to library and such), other white girls used to give a peculiar smile, as if they're shocked and horrified that a brown boy is going out with a white girl.:( There are many other things, such as they make fun of ethnic names (hindu/muslim names, especially), abusing people during cricket matches, and do other cheap stuff.

I'll never go there again, even though I still have visa. Lovely place, horrible people.

[Prisoner#69]

I pose something interesting to think about:

In the typical US urban setting you often find black men with white women. From just over hearing the conversations from what I've gathered some of those couplings are rather pathetic:

1) White women are curious about the mysterious "jungle man". Are black men just as wild and huge in bed like everybody claims?
2) Black men treat white women like sluts.

Just my observation.

[Prisoner#69]

When this topic comes up, people usually say 'you never see an asian guy with a white girl, but you always see white guys with asian girls'. There's a stack of videos on youtube about this topic. There are also videos now appearing on youtube about how black men are dating white women, and black women are becoming single.

And typical discussions with these people boil down to the sexy bits:

1) Asian men typically have smaller penises than whites. So of course Asian women would date a white man; and the reverse is where white women would avoid the Asian man. Same principle with white women/black men.

[Black Dagger]

I pose something interesting to think about:

In the typical US urban setting you often find black men with white women. From just over hearing the conversations from what I've gathered some of those couplings are rather pathetic:

1) White women are curious about the mysterious "jungle man". Are black men just as wild and huge in bed like everybody claims?
2) Black men treat white women like sluts.

Just my observation.

What is the point of your posts? You're just posting stereotypes without analysing them at all.

'O i heard that black people smell funny, thoughts?' :rolleyes:

It's hard to tell whether you believe this stuff or not, so yeah - please stop posting pseudo-racist crap.

[apathy maybe]

And typical discussions with these people boil down to the sexy bits:

1) Asian men typically have smaller penises than whites. So of course Asian women would date a white man; and the reverse is where white women would avoid the Asian man. Same principle with white women/black men.
:rolleyes: Or maybe:

East Asian cultures still tend to be a patriarchal, and therefore "Asian" women prefer men from cultures that aren't so much. (And who are willing to help with the housework, for example.)

Conversely, women from "European" cultures aren't going to be so interested in men who are going to expect them to cook and clean, and who aren't going to help at all.

[Hiero]

There's no doubt racism is still really prevalent in Australian society. The phenomenon of the Asian 'mail-order bride' in Australia in the last decade with old white men, is certainly changing the way things used to be. There is a former One Nation (racist party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Nation_%28Australia%29)) elected politician in my city who can now be seen around town with a very young Asian wife.
The sort of people that voted for One Nation, being grumpy old ignorant white men, are now seen with young asian wives across Australia. Don't ask me about the amount of people I have met who have an old white father and a young asian mum.

This leads to alot of racist assumptions.

First is that every man who is dating or married to an asian women, especially if the man is older is than the women, the woman is assumed to be a mail order bride. One example of this racism was directed against former NSW State Minister Bob Carr and his wife. The opposition leader of the time, Brogden (?) claimed that Bob Carr's wife, Helena Carr was ordered from an Asian country. This was not the case. These racists imply that Helena Carr has no real autonomy in the relationship, and is a subservient wife. The case is she is succesfull buisness women who has a life indepedent of Bob Carr.

The other racism that occurs is violence against mail order brides. I recently read an aritcle about white male violence on Filipino women. These young men from Australia want a subservient bride, trusting and sexually pleasing. In Australian society, and American there is construction of the asian women as fiting this role. Think of the Asian bride in Priscilla Queen of the Desert, that is a racist construction on the sexuality side, which is a little strong for the subservient side. If you look up some of these mail order bride websites, they play on these sterotypes and offer the subservient asian wife who is keen for sex and is the opposite of the loud mouthed, prude, feminist western wife.

As the marriage progresses what tends to happen is the bride acts outside the racist sterotype. In some cases the bride wants more freedom or does not submit to role of slave labourer/house wife or sexual satisfier. As apathy maybe said, the wife may expect more freedom and oppurtunity to be found in a western nation. As the man's delusion fades he may become more physical in his control, and in some cases it ends in a fatality. In their defences they male is portayed as the victim, even the media picks up on this. He is usually portrayed as a lonely man, naive, who wanted a loving wife and a family and worked very hard to please the wife, meaning he was very reasonable and patient with the women. The woman on the other hand is portrayed as a gold digger, and oppurtunity seeking, praying on naive western men to jump the immigration queue, sexually promiscuous (but outside the marriage) and various other racist sterotypes. Look at the asian wife in the movie Priscilla Queen of the Desert, this is a racist sterotype of the sex crazed mail order wife and the poor victimised anglo australian.

The reality is, these mail order brides are quite young, in one case 16, never fall in love with the man and demand a life of their own. The man through his own racist projection becomes disillusioned with her demend of independence, can't hanlde it and bashes to death the wife.

So we have there racist attitudes to Asian women and Anglo men. One on hand some abhor multi-racial marraiges. They project the mail-order bride racist sterotype onto ever anglo-asian couple. Or through these racist sterotypes men actually seek out "other" ethnic women in the hope of control.

[Revy]

Nothing wrong at all with interracial relationships. The society we aim for is one in which that is not an issue. I live in the South, and my racist aunt and uncle told my cousin she couldn't date a black guy. I was shocked at this when I heard about it. There's still a lot of ignorance in the world. That goes for all the people hating on gay relationships too.

I think a lot of people haven't opened their minds. Nobody's asking people to date outside their race just to feel more open minded, but I think if someone opens their minds, they won't think in that terms. Because if someone can't imagine a relationship with someone of another ethnic or cultural group, they really have been conditioned to think that way. I think naturally, our bodies and minds don't work that way. All women, all men, or all of both, based on your sexual orientation. But there's no natural basis for ethnic distinctions.

[progressive_lefty]

The fact that such a thing exists is deplorable (in reference to mail-order brides). But no one can disagree with the fact that, it is interesting to see grumpy old conservative white men getting young asian wives. Go to my catholic church in my small hometown and you will find some very conservative old white men with a young asian wife and children. Someone like Pauline Hanson would struggle to appeal to the ignorant aging white community in country Australia now, with the amount of old white men with young asian wives.

[AlfonsAberg]

Its racist to love its own people. Stay away from it. Better for the white man to bring home womans from Africa. After that there is no more racists

[Black Sheep]

I find nothing wrong with it.
Certain cultures/religions frown upon interracial marriage though.