Rammstein

[Dr Mindbender]

Anyone got any knowledge on Rammstein's politics? I've seen a few nazi sources that seem to express quite a lot of admiration for them.

[Comrade Looter]

Rammstein is great, but I don't think their Nazi's or anything...Just a German metal band.

[Dr Mindbender]

Rammstein is great, but I don't think their Nazi's or anything...Just a German metal band.

thats alright then. Must be just nazi fanboys fetishising lots of loud shouting in german language.

[Comrade Looter]

Sounds about right :D

[Red October]

They suck, but they're not nazis. I think a lot of nazis just dig their dark, brutal, german image.

[Colonello Buendia]

I heard rumours that they were quite right wing, but regardless, they suck

[Plagueround]

This is the only thing I could find at the moment, I'll look later:

What are Rammstein's political views?

The members of Rammstein are not and have never been nazis. They even made a song, called Links 234 (Left 234), that states that 'their heart beats on the left side' not on the right side (nazi's are on the right side of the political spectrum).


sauce: http://www.rammsteinniccage.com/band_info/faa.html#politics

[Vendetta]

They're leftist.

But it doesn't change the fact their music is really under the average.

[communard resolution]

They have referred to themselves as "leftist patriots". When asked to elaborate, they explained that they hold left-wing views but unlike most German leftists do not feel embarrassed or ashamed of where they're from. On the contrary, they like living in Germany.

Furthermore, they said that patriotism was originally a left-wing thing and that it should be reclaimed by the left. To what extent this claim is true, I have no idea - I always thought that patriotism stemmed from the era of the bourgeois revolutions, which I would call "progressive at the time" but not really all that leftist.

Rammstein like to use symbols and signifiers in an ambiguous manner (e.g. Leni Riefenstahl footage in a music video), which is where I imagine their Nazi fanclub comes from. In reality, it's just an easy way to draw attention and make some dosh.

When asked about these ambiguities, they said "yes, we enjoy being ambiguous, but with us you can always be sure that we never mean it in the wrong way."

This is all the info I've got. Form your own opinion.

EDIT: I personally don't think they are Nazis or fascists of any kind - like most rock groups, they're just into making money. Also, I wouldn't think many of their fans are Nazis.

[spartan]

Some of them were born in East Germany and in an interview with Kerrang! they said that they miss those days.

When Kerrang! said if it would be a good thing if the Berlin wall was still standing they said that they saw good points and bad points about it.

They said that the good thing about East Germany is everyone knew where they were and there wasn't the constant worry about things like in modern Germany (bills, money, getting the latest whatever to be "cool", etc).

I think that, like Laibach, they parody totalitarianism not endorse it.

[communard resolution]

Some of them were born in East Germany and in an interview with Kerrang! they said that they miss those days.

Maybe that's what they mean by 'leftist patriotism'. I know a few people in East Berlin who you could say still feel 'patriotic' about the Eastern part of Germany even though it's been one country for so many years now.


When Kerrang! said if it would be a good thing if the Berlin wall was still standing they said that they saw good points and bad points about it.Yes, this is the most common opinion you'll hear from ex-Eastern Bloc people. They will never say it was all fucking amazing (like some tankies on revleft who weren't there want to make you believe), but they will always say there were some good sides to the way it was.


They said that the good thing about East Germany is everyone knew where they were and there wasn't the constant worry about things like in modern Germany (bills, money, getting the latest whatever to be "cool", etc).What the people I know usually say they miss most of all is the sense of community there used to be among people - as in helping each other out instead of striving to be better than others.

[communard resolution]

I think that, like Laibach, they parody totalitarianism not endorse it.

I also think they stole a whole lot from Laibach, musically and aesthetically. I think Laibach were superior on both accounts (and much funnier), but that's just my opinion.