commie death counts - I was off some

[Chiak47]

http://www.anticommunism.org/
You want biased material here you go...
I said 20,000,000
http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/images/smilies/slap.gif
They say 92,365,000....WOW

Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics (USSR) 20,000,000
People's Republic of China 65,000,000
Vietnam (North & South) 1,000,000
North Korea 2,000,000
Cambodia 2,000,000
Eastern Europe (thanks to FDR) 1,000,000
Latin America 150,000
Africa 1,700,000
Afghanistan 1,500,000
Cuba 15,000
TOTAL......
92,365,000

(Stéphane, Courtois, et al., conclude that between
85 and 100 million human beings were killed in the
20th century by Communist/Socialist regimes.) *

[Chiak47]

You must make an example of these people. (1) Hang (I mean hang publicly, so that people see it) at least 100 kulaks, rich bastards, and known bloodsuckers....
Yours, Lenin." --Order to Cheka (predecessor of the KGB)

[Chiak47]

Death solves all problems - no man, no problem
Stalin

If the opposition (citizen) disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves
Stalin

[thursday night]

I'm afraid these are lies.

[Chiak47]

Well I figuered you say as much...

what do you say?About 20,000,000?

Cuba killed at least 15,000 right?

[Dirty Jersey]

i dont know whether or not they are lies. if they are not lies that makes it rather atrocious. if they are lies then thats damn good propoganda. can anyone deny or confirm this with more than one source?

[thursday night]

Twenty million? How is that possible? These are just rediculous numbers drawn up by capitalist 'historians.'

[Chiak47]

Dirty Jersey,Commies love to pass themselves off as peace loving people but the truth is they are not.

The USA is not perfect but damn at least here if a cop so much as touches a suspect he gets canned.Over there it gets covered up.

Read Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn- http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/alesol.htm
He was there he witnessed it.

Is there anyone here that lived through it?

I doubt it cause the people that were there Hated communism and it's horrors.

Think about it.

(Edited by Chiak47 at 6:00 am on Mar. 27, 2003)

[synthesis]

The USA is not perfect but damn at least here if a cop so much as touches a suspect he gets canned.That's total bullshit, like just about everything else you say. Let's look at the story of Abner Louima.

'[The police] beat Abner Louima in the back seat of their car until it was covered in his blood. Then they dragged him into the 70th precinct police station with his pants pulled down, dragged him into a bathroom and violently sodomized him with a wooden stick. The pig perverts then shoved the stick into the crying man’s mouth. Their sadistic torture ruptured the man’s rectum and bladder and he required surgery in a hospital to survive.

Afterwards, Officer Volpe, the lead police pervert, warned Louima:

“If you ever tell anyone, if you ever utter a word, I’ll kill you and your entire family.”

http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/may1999/.../loui-m06.shtml (http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/may1999/loui-m06.shtml)

[Chiak47]

Yes and that cop is in jail.
Thanks,
Me


Next lie please

[Liberty Lover]

Chiak47,
I have posted this before. Intelligent (stupid) communists would justify these death counts by suggesting that, say, collectivisation in Russia was necessary in order to support industrialisation, and that the brutalities and mass murders, to which the Russian peasantry was subjected were a necessary price to pay for progress. However the (really stupid) commies that visit this site try to deny the murders outright and end up sounding ridiculous.

[Chiak47]

LL,
Thank you for pointing that out.I never read that.
Good call.

Thank you again,
Eric

[synthesis]

Quote: from Chiak47 on 6:19 am on Mar. 27, 2003
Yes and that cop is in jail.
Prove it.

[Chiak47]

http://www.publicagenda.org/headlines/head...dline121399.htm (http://www.publicagenda.org/headlines/headline121399.htm)
Former New York City police officer Justin Volpe was sentenced to 30 years in prison for his 1997 assault on Haitian immigrant Abner Louima, in which he beat and sodomized Louima with a broken broomstick in a police station bathroom. Before the sentencing, Volpe told the judge "I hurt many people. I was and still am ashamed. ... I am extremely sorry." Though Volpe could have faced life in prison without the possibility of parole, Louima did not ask the judge for any specific punishment before the sentencing. "I'm sure the court will make a wise and fair decision," he said. Prosecutors called this case one of the worst acts of police brutality in city history. The Louima case was one in a series of incidents nationwide that focussed attention on police treatment of minorities.

[Xvall]

If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves

Correct me if I am wrong, hypocrite; but this is the same mentality that George Bush has towards Iraq? Yet you are claiming it is bad.

[Chiak47]

He is disarming a man with Chemicle weapons.Come on take the blinders off HE KILLED CHILDREN for christ sake.

GW is pro-gun.
Ashcroft is real pro gun.

[Xvall]

The only reason that George W. Bush is pro-gun is because he knows that he's going to have to draft the whole damn American population to fight his crusade. This way; they can bring their own guns. The state will not have to supply them. You never proved that he had a 'chemical weapon'; the closest thing you have to this is a factory that the United States believes 'may have harbored chemicals at some time'. Holy shit! See that box in the alley; maybe there was a NUCLEAR BOMB in it! Egad! It's in my neighbors trashcan! I must shoot that evildoer before he blows up the neighborhood!

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Dude, quit your lying

the 1,500 000 deaths of Afganistan were mainly caused by the CIA backed Mujahideen and holy warriors aka Bin Laden and gang.

[Chiak47]

92,365,000
- 1,500,000
__________
90,865,000

I'll give you the Afgans...

(Edited by Chiak47 at 10:29 pm on Mar. 27, 2003)

[Invader Zim]

Kill count of capitalaism is far higher. And how amny times ahve you started this or a similar thread stop spamming please.

PS mod is this pic ok its just a bit big..

http://www.che-lives.net/users/ak47/cappikill.GIF

[Chiak47]

http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/images/smilies/Why_this.gif

I never posted these #'s before...

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Quote: from Chiak47 on 10:26 pm on Mar. 27, 2003
92,365,000
- 1,500,000
__________
90,865,000

I'll give you the Afgans...

(Edited by Chiak47 at 10:29 pm on Mar. 27, 2003)


What a sick fuck are you?

Dividing the deaths of innonent people's lives into groups which caused them, they aren't fuckin toys you know. You're talking about real people here!!

If you see 3,000 deaths as an reason to attack already 2 nations, how many nations do you think that nationalistic people like you, only from Afganistan then would attack?

I am telling you, humankind must unite and not divide by nationalities or race. If you do believe that it should happen, you'd be a racist and not a freedom fighter!

[synthesis]

Quote: from Chiak47 on 6:42 am on Mar. 27, 2003
http://www.publicagenda.org/headlines/head...dline121399.htm (http://www.publicagenda.org/headlines/headline121399.htm)
Former New York City police officer Justin Volpe was sentenced to 30 years in prison for his 1997 assault on Haitian immigrant Abner Louima, in which he beat and sodomized Louima with a broken broomstick in a police station bathroom. Before the sentencing, Volpe told the judge "I hurt many people. I was and still am ashamed. ... I am extremely sorry." Though Volpe could have faced life in prison without the possibility of parole, Louima did not ask the judge for any specific punishment before the sentencing. "I'm sure the court will make a wise and fair decision," he said. Prosecutors called this case one of the worst acts of police brutality in city history. The Louima case was one in a series of incidents nationwide that focussed attention on police treatment of minorities.
Well, that certainly makes me happy. Last I heard, he was only suspended off the force. No matter - for every arrested cop, I can bring you twenty more who were not punished.

http://www.wsws.org/news/1998/sep1998/cal-s26.shtml

[Chiak47]

100 deaths is a tragedy

100000000 is a statistic

[Umoja]

Amadu Dia... something or other. Those cops aren't in jail.

Further more, you wanna see one capitalist event that nearly takes the cake? Our wonderful friend the slave trade.... I'd say well over 80 million were "displaced" and around 2/3 of them died. This isn't taking into account anything else.

[Chiak47]

Not by me or the people I support.

[Chiak47]

BTW someone just said mearly hrs ago that it was 20,000,000...
Does a rancher shoot his tractors?NO
Would a slave owner shoot his slaves that cost big money?NO

Slavery is still going on in CHINA and africa.

Help them instead of spewing off about shit that happened when men still rode horses to get around.

[Pete]

Slavery still exists in America. I have heard speeches by a former CIA agent who lives in my town. After Vietnam he was a P.I. in New York City until 1990. He broke up rings of white-slave traders. They made a certain sick kind of porn film. Where they raped and killed the victims and then sold them on camera. This is not including all of teh 'indentured servants' living in the western part of Canada, but mostly in America. Indentured Servitude is slavery.

China is not communist get that through your head.

If I use your mentallity, none of those people were killed by someone who I support or myself. There fore they are immaterial.

[Chiak47]

Pete,
The chinese call themselves communists.

Thanks,
Belief

[synthesis]

The chinese call themselves communists. I call myself King Henry VIII. That doesn't make it so, now does it?

[Pete]

They can call themselves what they want. That means nothing. America is calling its self a democracy. That means jack shit when you get down to it and see that it is not a democracy, and barely still a republic.

[Zombie]

Quote: from Chiak47 on 6:22 pm on Mar. 27, 2003
Not by me or the people I support.

i'm sorry but you're not making much sense...
was it or was it not capitalism that was responsible for those trades? yes or no?
how can you be supportive of capitalism, then distance yourself from the actions of capitalist dictators, then come here and tell me that communism as a whole is responsible for what Stalin or Mao did?

aren't we allowed to think freely of our system, as you seem to be about yours? or is it just that you are expandable and can blame anything on anybody,??

u're not winning any credibility contest chiak47..

[Chiak47]

Zombie,

Good point,I never thought of it that way.Thats why you distance yourselves from China and the USSR.

I have a question.What country is like the utopia that Marx dreamed of?
Is there one?

Thanks,
ME

[Liberty Lover]

America is calling its self a democracy. That means jack shit when you get down to it and see that it is not a democracy, and barely still a republic.

In the words of DrierShit:

"When you make baseless comments like these, people tend not to take you seriously. Back yourself up or your statement is worthless."

[synthesis]

That's one of the stupidest mutilations of my name I've seen yet. Oh well, I can at least take refuge in the fact that my name doesn't completely contradict my ideology.

(Edited by DyerMaker at 7:06 am on Mar. 28, 2003)

[Liberty Lover]

Quote: from DyerMaker on 7:05 am on Mar. 28, 2003
That's one of the stupidest mutilations of my name I've seen yet. Oh well, I can at least take refuge in the fact that my name doesn't completely contradict my ideology.

(Edited by DyerMaker at 7:06 am on Mar. 28, 2003)


How does "liberty lover" contradict my ideaology of global democracy.

[synthesis]

How does "liberty lover" contradict my ideaology of global democracy. Ah, just like the democracy capitalism restored (or didn't) to Chile, Zaire, Greece, Haiti, et al?

I know, I know, it was "necessary" to overthrow democratically-elected, progressive socialists with extremist, militaristic right-wing death squads who have killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people... hold on a second. What's that I smell? Could it be...

http://laputa.de/pic/bullshit_anim_icon.gif

It just might!

[YerbaMateJ]

I don't know how many millions died for communism.
I don't know how many died and are dying for capitalism.

All I do know is that the human race has murdered over 100 million members of it's own species in the 20th century alone.

Humans are just primitive and run by ego. At this point in the game, comparing numbers is just a waste of time.
Question is: What are we going to do NOW?

[Dirty Jersey]

great point and also a great question yerba. i really wish i had the slightest clue but unfortunately i cant contribute. just felt you deserved a pat on the back for that post.

[Liberty Lover]

Ah, just like the democracy capitalism restored (or didn't) to Chile, Zaire, Greece, Haiti, et al?

As I have said before: Dictatorships were the only means of abolishing soviet influence in these countries. If America didn't intervene in the places that they did the Soviet Union would have won the cold war. Liberty would not exist if that happened.

[YerbaMateJ]

Quote: from Dirty Jersey on 7:54 am on Mar. 28, 2003
great point and also a great question yerba. i really wish i had the slightest clue but unfortunately i cant contribute. just felt you deserved a pat on the back for that post.


Thanx DJ---I try.

YMj:biggrin:

[Cassius Clay]

Mr/Mrs Chaik47 why do you feel the need to put words into Stalin's mouth? He never said any of that, it originally came from a play by a bunch of Ukrainain Fascists. Oh and Mr Soljenitsyn was and is a raving anti-semitic Franco-supporting Fascist whose clearly not right in the head.

As for those 'Figures' LOL, what complete rubbish. I will once again repeat that 799,445 people were sentenced to death in the Soviet Union between the 30's and 1950's, over 150,000 had their sentenced reduced or were just let go after they wen't to appeal courts, not to mention the Soviet Union actually abolished capital punishment for five years. THe good old freedom loving U$A has three million more people in prison today than the USSR ever had. Anyway if you seriesly expect anybody to belief that a team of independent scientists are capable of finding the remains of a 30,000 year old elephant while the Russian Government which is deeply anti-Soviet cannot with international backing find the remain's of even a few million of all these tens of millions of dead bodies which are barely 50 years old then your just like your hero Soljenitsyn, out of your mind.

Oh yeah what happened to those ten million political prisoners held in USSR that Ronald Reagen said were their in the 80's? Strange but they all dissapeared, let me guess they were all shot on the last day.

[Chiak47]

should be clay,

Distance thyself from evil.Good tactic.

Thank you,
not sold on this one

[Liberty Lover]

Intelligent (stupid) communists would justify these death counts by suggesting that, say, collectivisation in Russia was necessary in order to support industrialisation, and that the brutalities and mass murders, to which the Russian peasantry was subjected were a necessary price to pay for progress. However the (really stupid) commies like cassius clay try to deny the murders outright and end up sounding ridiculous.

[Chiak47]

Funny,Soljenitsyn lived under the iron fist.He knows the deal.
Can you say the same catch clap?

[Cassius Clay]

Liberty Lover would you please provide some real evidence then based on archival, eye-witness and factual accounts that prove all the rubbish this thread says.

Chaik 47 why do you admire a anti-semitic Fascist like Soljenitysn, oh I guess CNN never told you he supported Franco and wanted Hitler to win the war. True he lived under the 'Iron fist' but so did alot of people and they rose up in Stalin's name in 1956 (ofcourse the History channel doesn't tell you that) and the generation that grew up in the 30's,40's or 50's are now and have been for a decade the core supporters and voters for left-wing parties in Russia and throughout the former Soviet Union.

No I didn't live in the Soviet Union or any other Socialist state, but there is a member of this board who grew up in 'Stalinist' Albania so when he posts you can ask him what a 'Iron fist' it was.

[Liberty Lover]

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...m=22&topic=1972 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=1972)

[Liberty Lover]

"and the generation that grew up in the 30's,40's or 50's are now and have been for a decade the core supporters and voters for left-wing parties in Russia and throughout the former Soviet Union."

Cassius Clay "would you please provide some real evidence then based on archival, eye-witness and factual accounts that prove all the rubbish" you just suggested.

[Moskitto]

I'm afraid we've allready discussed this 3, probably 4 times allready before...

[Cassius Clay]

Liberty Lover do you deny that masses of people turn out every year on May-Day with portraits of Stalin? Alot of them being old people. According to Russian Federation police it was 15,000 last year in Moscow alone.

Anyway read about the uprising of 1956.

http://revolutionarydemocracy.org/index.htm

Now this provides 'Eye-witness, archival and factual' data although it is written by a Khruschevite so it is anti-Stalin, although this just shows it's not 'Stalinist' rubbish and infact quite un-biased.

[Chiak47]

The 15,000 he didnt kill?

I thought you seperated yourself from the "c" word and the leader "JS"....