why the leftist of my city are so DUMB.

[danyboy27]

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[Raúl Duke]

I understand the first objection...in Puerto Rico the construction trucker's union was hated because they caused traffic.

The 2nd one depends really.
I know that in Puerto Rico, some people may actually support the protestors since the U.S. army is somewhat viewed as a "foreign army." Federal agents are viewed as "foreign interlopers" and people have protested against them in PR.

But in the U.S., I suppose the protestors are playing a part at discrediting the U.S. war machine and I support that but sometimes I wonder if there are better ways to do that?

[#FF0000]

Yeah that's a problem with Leftists in the U.S., in my experience. They're almost completely alienated from the workers.

[danyboy27]

except i am in canada!

supporting or rejecting the military is not the matter, the matter is, they dont take the situation, or the population in concern before to do their stuff.


doing an anti-war manifestation is not a problem, the trick is doing it so it will be supported by the majority of the peoples.

Hell, even some soldier are against the afghan conflict, but the unability of the left movement in my city to dont understand them still amaze me.

instead of being friendly with folks, and getting what they want from them, they are just make people hangry, and they are gaining absolutly no support.

[pusher robot]

Understand, friend, that for those "leftists" it has nothing to do with results. It doesn't even have anything to do with ideology. It's all about them, and feeling important and powerful. Their motivations for what they do are no different than the vandal who defaces a priceless work of art. They destroy because they have not the wisdom to create.

[#FF0000]

They destroy because they have not the wisdom to create.

I'm sure that isn't a totally baseless blanket statement.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

I'm sure that isn't a totally baseless blanket statement.

Pusher is affectionate with his logical fallacies. We are to pretend it makes him look competent.

[pusher robot]

I'm sure that isn't a totally baseless blanket statement.

No, you're right, I'm sure they could create a revolutionary movement, you know, if they wanted to. They just don't feel like it.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

No, you're right, I'm sure they could create a revolutionary movement, you know, if they wanted to. They just don't feel like it.

I can't find "Pusher Robot" on the Forbes 500 list. Mind pointing yourself out to us?

... Surely you're wealthy, right? You do want wealth?

[pusher robot]

I can't find "Pusher Robot" on the Forbes 500 list. Mind pointing yourself out to us?

... Surely you're wealthy, right? You do want wealth?


Well, one reason I'm not on the Forbes 500 is because I'm not a corporation.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Well, one reason I'm not on the Forbes 500 is because I'm not a corporation.

You don't share your assets? :crying:

[Decolonize The Left]

Well, one reason I'm not on the Forbes 500 is because I'm not a corporation.

But if you wanted to be a corporation you could, right? This is America - land of the free. Geez... pick yourself up by the bootstraps you bum.

- August

[pusher robot]

But if you wanted to be a corporation you could, right? This is America - land of the free. Geez... pick yourself up by the bootstraps you bum.

- August

Actually, no. People cannot be corporations. I thought everyone knew that.


You don't share your assets?

What are you referring to? Why do you always talk around your points? Why don't you just clearly state what you think? Your opponents would probably create fewer straw men if you would simply offer something substantive to engage.

Anyways, what does this have to do with anything. Did I claim somewhere that all anyone needs to do to be successful is to want something? If wishes were horses then beggars would ride.

[Killfacer]

I see this happening alot in the UK. I remember seeing one of the moronic stop the city demos which acheive nothing but the irritation of people trying to get home. You just have to look at most of the leftist on the march to see they our entirely disconnected from the working classes.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

That statement forms a great juxtaposition with your comment about agnostics, heh.

[Dean]

I'd piss all over your cousin. I don't give a fuck if someone whines about some "working class mindset" when you're talking about supporting murderers and scumbags.

[danyboy27]

I'd piss all over your cousin. I don't give a fuck if someone whines about some "working class mindset" when you're talking about supporting murderers and scumbags.

another good exemple of a complete lack of understanding of the society.

you guy need to be pragmatic sometimes, killer always exsisted, and wuill always exist, even in a communist society, those peoples that you call killers will be of a great need, armies and armed groups wil always exist, always.

a soldier is a tool, no matter what kind of system he defend, communist or capitalist, they are tool, and they are aware of that fact, and they dont care, they love their job, not necessarly for what they stabd for.

you can disagree with a conflict, and a political party can disagree with a conflict too, but the support of the people will ALWAYS prevail.

all military group do terrible and horrible things, they are all the same, but they are necessary and will always be necessary, in a communist and a capitalist society, prove me i am wrong on that.

[RGacky3]

Does your cousin like killing women and children?

Thats EXACTLY the type of stupid argument that alienates the working class. Its on the same level as "You don't support the war, you must love terrorism" Or "You are against the war in Vietnam, you must want to live in Stalinist Russia." Its along the lines of the types of arugments hard core conservatives give, i.e. BS ones.


a soldier is a tool, no matter what kind of system he defend, communist or capitalist, they are tool, and they are aware of that fact, and they dont care, they love their job, not necessarly for what they stabd for.


A soldeir is a person.

Instead of the left doing rediculous manifestations like disrupting a soldiers parade, or blocking traffic, they should be attacking big companies, supporting strikes, protesting Corporate power over government and so on.

The average worker, just wants to get on with life, they just want to stay afloat and live a comfortable life, the left will NEVER be able to appeal to the worker until it understands that.

[danyboy27]

Thats EXACTLY the type of stupid argument that alienates the working class. Its on the same level as "You don't support the war, you must love terrorism" Or "You are against the war in Vietnam, you must want to live in Stalinist Russia." Its along the lines of the types of arugments hard core conservatives give, i.e. BS ones.



A soldeir is a person.

Instead of the left doing rediculous manifestations like disrupting a soldiers parade, or blocking traffic, they should be attacking big companies, supporting strikes, protesting Corporate power over government and so on.

The average worker, just wants to get on with life, they just want to stay afloat and live a comfortable life, the left will NEVER be able to appeal to the worker until it understands that.

agreed.
Seriously WTF, i always expected that the leftist on that forum would be pragmatic, and the only ones that support rationality. are...counterrevolutionary????????????????

[Ken]

21st century leftism is inherently sectarian. most communists are white, middle class heterosexuals. although they usually have nothing to do with minority groups such as transgendered people, aboriginals or other indigenous, or blacks, they defend them usually to make them more white and middle class, and attach themselves with a moral superiority and vehement sense that racism is objectively BAD, sexism is BAD, and the West is BAD and that anyone who has a subjective differing opinion is BAD. anyone who hasnt fallen into the trap of leftism is critisized and labelled RACIST! SEXIST! and attacked blindly. you see this a lot on this forum. of course leftists arent capable of intellectual argument against these working class cretins, for they are RACIST! SEXIST! so they are excluded from leftism to remain targets, obviously to foolish to subscribe. besides, why would leftists need more communists anyhow? they could actually start a revolution and we wouldnt want that to happen now would we! they would have nothing to complain about, no bandwagon to publicly cling to. leftism is to moral superiority what judeo-christianism is to morals. a crusade for the weak to join a movement of laws etched in stone .

[Dystisis]

Yeah that's a problem with Leftists in the U.S., in my experience. They're almost completely alienated from the workers.
Yeah, but it is also the case of the working class generally not being class aware, at all.

[CaptainCapitalist68]

Maybe this leftist students are mad because the capitalist tax payer aren't giving them enough Finical Aid money for their education?

[Killfacer]

Maybe this leftist students are mad because the capitalist tax payer aren't giving them enough Finical Aid money for their education?


HaHAHAHA funny, this bloke is funny. He is so clever and witty.

[Dean]

another good exemple of a complete lack of understanding of the society.

you guy need to be pragmatic sometimes, killer always exsisted, and wuill always exist, even in a communist society, those peoples that you call killers will be of a great need, armies and armed groups wil always exist, always.

a soldier is a tool, no matter what kind of system he defend, communist or capitalist, they are tool, and they are aware of that fact, and they dont care, they love their job, not necessarly for what they stabd for.

you can disagree with a conflict, and a political party can disagree with a conflict too, but the support of the people will ALWAYS prevail.

all military group do terrible and horrible things, they are all the same, but they are necessary and will always be necessary, in a communist and a capitalist society, prove me i am wrong on that.

I don't give a damn. If someone is giving active military or monetary support to U.S. imperialism, I oppose them as a rule. There should be no concession because something is "popular." That is defeatist, not pragmatic. What is pragmatic is to use militant actions against these scum, waving their flags of filth in the air.

[Killfacer]

Then how Dean, do you propose the left to ever acheive anything? For every rare forward step, the left must tumble backwards by commiting painfully un popular acts. I dont understand how you think the left can grow, if you demand it gain the hatred of the working classes first.

[Dean]

Then how Dean, do you propose the left to ever acheive anything? For every rare forward step, the left must tumble backwards by commiting painfully un popular acts. I dont understand how you think the left can grow, if you demand it gain the hatred of the working classes first.
If supporting genocide is what is required to be liked, I'd rather watch the world burn.

[Killfacer]

You just dodged the question pretty badly. I do not think that you beleive that what the coalition forces are currently doing in Afghanistan is genocide.

[pusher robot]

If supporting genocide is what is required to be liked, I'd rather watch the world burn.

I find it fascinating that you literally see no difference whatsoever between not being a complete and utter dick in your opposition to something, and supporting it. Most people are able to see a distinction, dare I say, a spectrum there.

[Dean]

I find it fascinating that you literally see no difference whatsoever between not being a complete and utter dick in your opposition to something, and supporting it. Most people are able to see a distinction, dare I say, a spectrum there.
I don't understand what you're saying, can you rephrase it?


You just dodged the question pretty badly. I do not think that you beleive that what the coalition forces are currently doing in Afghanistan is genocide.

Fuck them. I don't have the least bit of tolerance for shitheads who think they can go and systematically murder a population and destroy their infrastructure, and then expect to be treated as heroes. I not only believe that they are committing genocide, but that the U.S. government and the military must be made an example of. I have no tolerance for the military targeting of civilians, plain and simple.

[Sprinkles]

21st century leftism is inherently sectarian. most communists are white, middle class heterosexuals. although they usually have nothing to do with minority groups such as transgendered people, aboriginals or other indigenous, or blacks, they defend them usually to make them more white and middle class, and attach themselves with a moral superiority and vehement sense that racism is objectively BAD, sexism is BAD, and the West is BAD and that anyone who has a subjective differing opinion is BAD. anyone who hasnt fallen into the trap of leftism is critisized and labelled RACIST! SEXIST! and attacked blindly. you see this a lot on this forum. of course leftists arent capable of intellectual argument against these working class cretins, for they are RACIST! SEXIST! so they are excluded from leftism to remain targets, obviously to foolish to subscribe. besides, why would leftists need more communists anyhow? they could actually start a revolution and we wouldnt want that to happen now would we! they would have nothing to complain about, no bandwagon to publicly cling to. leftism is to moral superiority what judeo-christianism is to morals. a crusade for the weak to join a movement of laws etched in stone .



This whole thread is objectively BAD and DUMB, but reading this post in particular made my eyes roll so hard their gravitational collapse caused my mind to be consumed by the newly formed black hole, yet even that experience doesn't match the horrendous vacuity of what you posted here. I mean, just look how DUMB you are:



...the moral superiority and vehement sense that racism is objectively BAD, sexism is BAD...
The whole idea that as communists we need to pander to the exact prejudices which the bourgeoisie forces upon the working class in order to divide them is idiotic to say the least.

[pusher robot]

I don't understand what you're saying, can you rephrase it?

Sure. The OP is basically complaining that lefties in his town, regardless of whether they are right or wrong, needlessly antongonize the norms and marginalize the left as a result. The suggestion implied is that a more constructive approach might be beneifical.

Your response is that if you have to agree with the norms to be popular, you'd rather be hated. You apparently can not conceive any possible scenario wherein you are able to hold contrary opinions without being a raging asshole towards people that disagree with you.

Frankly, I think that's simultaneously revealing and humorous.

[danyboy27]

well pusher, dont be rude with dean, he a good guy, he just dont have the same level of tolerance than us, and dont see the stuff the same way we do, so at the end, its kinda pointless to fight.

[Dean]

Sure. The OP is basically complaining that lefties in his town, regardless of whether they are right or wrong, needlessly antongonize the norms and marginalize the left as a result. The suggestion implied is that a more constructive approach might be beneifical.

Your response is that if you have to agree with the norms to be popular, you'd rather be hated. You apparently can not conceive any possible scenario wherein you are able to hold contrary opinions without being a raging asshole towards people that disagree with you.

Frankly, I think that's simultaneously revealing and humorous.

My point was meant to be dismissive. The OP is implying that, by opposing the war etc. and campaigning as such, the left is "making enemies." My point is that those are exactly the enemies of the movement in the first place. If the choice is between arguing against the war and being unpopular or ignoring / acting for the war and garnering support, then we are losing something elemental. I do believe in trying to gain support, but I won't be machiavellian. I refuse to. If opposition to a war of imperial aggression makes an enemy, they have been an enemy all along.

I guarantee you that the Iraqi people wouldn't care who is being an asshole and who is being sweet and acceptable. For that matter, neither would the U.S. soldiers. It's a war of guns, cluster bombs, shells and missiles. It should be treated as such.

EDIT: I also wanted to point out something else. I try to be pretty accepting of contrary viewpoints. But some of the things spetnaz21 says are simply revolting. I don't think we would see him saying "gay rights groups in Iran are stupid for arguing against an unmoving status quo." But what he says here is on the same level. I am damn sorry for you if your response to an anti-war protest is that they are "stupid and tactless." They are demanding basic human rights for the Iraqi people! This truly reveals where some people's motives are.

[danyboy27]

EDIT: I also wanted to point out something else. I try to be pretty accepting of contrary viewpoints. But some of the things spetnaz21 says are simply revolting. I don't think we would see him saying "gay rights groups in Iran are stupid for arguing against an unmoving status quo." But what he says here is on the same level. I am damn sorry for you if your response to an anti-war protest is that they are "stupid and tactless." They are demanding basic human rights for the Iraqi people! This truly reveals where some people's motives are.

you know me soo bad, that just sad, I have to admit dean, i dont know you at all.
The problem is not antiwar protest, its the way they are done. You can do an antiwar protest, that totally fine, you can defend your belief, that totally fine, the problem is the way they are done, its seem to be programmed to pissed off peoples. Look, they can do violent protest, they can continue to loose popularity that totally fine, but i dont want them to whine that the left is loosing ground in my city after that, beccause they are causing their own problems.

I fully support the minorities in Iran that are constantly fighting against the regime, women groups, gay group, i have no problem about that.
But if when they do protest they burn car and damage stores and shit they loose popularity, well they never gonna gain anything, no support.

[Killfacer]

Fuck them. I don't have the least bit of tolerance for shitheads who think they can go and systematically murder a population and destroy their infrastructure, and then expect to be treated as heroes. I not only believe that they are committing genocide, but that the U.S. government and the military must be made an example of. I have no tolerance for the military targeting of civilians, plain and simple.

I dont understand. The war in afghanistan is just clearly not genocide, let us think of some genocides: The holocaust (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_holocaust)? The armenian genocide? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide#The_study_of_the_Armenian_Genoci de) Hmm, not that comparable are they? Calling it a genocide is not only wrong but stupid.

Do you really beleive that shouting abuse at a soldier is actually going to help. No it is not. Do something constructive, not something which will alienate just about everyone. Your taking just about the most idiotic self righteous line with this ever. Not only that but its stupidly blinkered and un helpful to just about everyone unlucky enough to be tarred with the same brush as you.

[Dean]

I fully support the minorities in Iran that are constantly fighting against the regime, women groups, gay group, i have no problem about that.
But if when they do protest they burn car and damage stores and shit they loose popularity, well they never gonna gain anything, no support.
By openly admitting that they are gay (or in a woman's case, a "whore" for not wanting conservative dress) they are alienating a vast majority of the population. What do you say to them then? Cover up? Hide your sexuality?


I dont understand. The war in afghanistan is just clearly not genocide, let us think of some genocides: The holocaust (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_holocaust)? The armenian genocide? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide#The_study_of_the_Armenian_Genoci de) Hmm, not that comparable are they? Calling it a genocide is not only wrong but stupid.
The issue has been thoroughly discussed in the thread, "Who initiated force in the Highland Clearances?." In any case, why don't I call it "mass murder"? Is there any fucking difference? Is there a reason why you are bringing up trivialities, or do you really think that mass murder is more excusable than genocide?


Do you really beleive that shouting abuse at a soldier is actually going to help. No it is not. Do something constructive, not something which will alienate just about everyone. Your taking just about the most idiotic self righteous line with this ever. Not only that but its stupidly blinkered and un helpful to just about everyone unlucky enough to be tarred with the same brush as you.
"Do you really think that shouting abuse at an Iranian legislator or executioner will help?".

I'm sorry if it is hard to fathom for you, but for me, direct action against the executors and tools of a repressive system is a pretty good idea. I'm sorry if you think that we can reason with our oppressors, I don't believe that.

[Socialist18]

21st century leftism is inherently sectarian. most communists are white, middle class heterosexuals. although they usually have nothing to do with minority groups such as transgendered people, aboriginals or other indigenous, or blacks....
Not this commie, I'm kinda bi but consider myself gay, I'm working class/poor, one of my best friends is aboriginal, Yeah I'm white but thats irrelevant IMO, I place no importance on race or skin color whatsoever.

[danyboy27]

Seriously dean, i need to understand, why are you presuming all that stuff about me? just beccause i dropped some lines about my opinion on a particular subject mean that i am all the way bad? you never ask me to develop what i am saying, you never let me explain you what i am thinking, all you do non-stop is agressively pushing me, why man why?

i know our opinions differ greatly on many things, i respect that, you idea all that stuff. Even if i dont agree with some stuff you told, i never said what you told where revolting, narrow minded, i expressed my point of view on some of your stuff, harshly sometimes, but i never considered you where like this or like that, you have your vision on how the world should be, i have mine. Seriously, is it really necessary to push me everytime you consider, bu your standards, that i am wrong?

i even tried to cool down stuff on that topic, i tried, but for some random reason you felt alright of telling what i said was revolthing, all that shit over again.

again, has mentionned in another tread, i never wanted to be better than you wiser than you, i am just expressing my opinion, my idea that might not be expressed rightly, dont take what i say for granted, i am just TRYING to communicate what i am thinking, there is a awful truckload of bad shit you dropped all over my way of thinking that are absolutly not true at all, beccause you dont know me for real.

[Dean]

Seriously dean, i need to understand, why are you presuming all that stuff about me? just beccause i dropped some lines about my opinion on a particular subject mean that i am all the way bad? you never ask me to develop what i am saying, you never let me explain you what i am thinking, all you do non-stop is agressively pushing me, why man why?
You're arguing against a movement which seeks to attain basic human rights for Iraqis as opposed to western imperialism. You treated Shock and Awe as if it weren't important. And you have distinctly said that you identify woith OIers, among other things. In any case, I'm not trying to target you. I just see what I do.


i know our opinions differ greatly on many things, i respect that, you idea all that stuff. Even if i dont agree with some stuff you told, i never said what you told where revolting, narrow minded, i expressed my point of view on some of your stuff, harshly sometimes, but i never considered you where like this or like that, you have your vision on how the world should be, i have mine. Seriously, is it really necessary to push me everytime you consider, bu your standards, that i am wrong?
The issues I've responded to you on, I feel strongly about. I totally oppose western imperialism and its effects are sickening. Whenever people try to apologize for it, it gets on my nerves. Especially when it is from a fellow leftist, as you say you are. If it were TomK or Pusher it woudln't mean as much. Such jingoism or opposition is expected there. I am not trying to insult you by calling your ideas 'revolting.' If I was, I would color the language with curses or call you names. I was sincere when I apologized in the other thread, I am making a point not to be insulting. Ask any other member here - I occasionally call people's ideas by such names, while I am quite reserved with the rest of the language. It's not an insult, it's an expression of shock at your statement.


i even tried to cool down stuff on that topic, i tried, but for some random reason you felt alright of telling what i said was revolthing, all that shit over again.

again, has mentionned in another tread, i never wanted to be better than you wiser than you, i am just expressing my opinion, my idea that might not be expressed rightly, dont take what i say for granted, i am just TRYING to communicate what i am thinking, there is a awful truckload of bad shit you dropped all over my way of thinking that are absolutly not true at all, beccause you dont know me for real.
I am describing what I see. I usually make a point not to assume things about people.

Look, you can't make a post calling leftists "stupid" for tactics and ideological standards which you know people here have or use, and not expect a backlash. My main problem is that you consider marketability to be more important than the defense of the victims and oppressed, as in Iraq. You chose an issue that you knew would be controversial at a leftist site; you should be happy that you haven't experienced much of a backlash.

[pusher robot]

My main problem is that you consider marketability to be more important than the defense of the victims and oppressed, as in Iraq. You chose an issue that you knew would be controversial at a leftist site; you should be happy that you haven't experienced much of a backlash.

That's a really lame defense, though, for the reason that the things under discussion - things like blocking traffic, picking fights with people, or smashing windows - do not in any material way actually defend "victims and the oppressed."

[bcbm]

That's a really lame defense, though, for the reason that the things under discussion - things like blocking traffic, picking fights with people, or smashing windows - do not in any material way actually defend "victims and the oppressed."

They may not actively defend them when they are so spread out as we see today, but they certainly show a concrete resistance to the status quo of murdering innocent people.

[Dean]

That's a really lame defense, though, for the reason that the things under discussion - things like blocking traffic, picking fights with people, or smashing windows - do not in any material way actually defend "victims and the oppressed."

This was what I responded to from the original post, in my post:


then they did another manifestation, but this time it was at a military parade of my city, most of soldier in the parade where from my region. they tried to disrupt the parade, shouted insult at the cops, threw tomatoes and other shit at the police.

major feedback from the working class: bunch of assole! they trying to harm our guy, my cousin was in the parade! they just came back from afghanistan!

lesson not learned: those soldier where loved from many peoples in the city, many of them have relatives or friend amongst the population, and they just returned from afhanistan.

I repeat: fuck these military goons. They come back from a tour of a foreign nation, where they have killed, maimed and raped a civilian population and ruined their infrastructure. I support any and all resistance against these dirtbags, from vitriol to killings. When you put yourself in a position to kill innocent people for corporate interests, you had better bet on the consequences.

[Killfacer]

By openly admitting that they are gay (or in a woman's case, a "whore" for not wanting conservative dress) they are alienating a vast majority of the population. What do you say to them then? Cover up? Hide your sexuality?


The issue has been thoroughly discussed in the thread, "Who initiated force in the Highland Clearances?." In any case, why don't I call it "mass murder"? Is there any fucking difference? Is there a reason why you are bringing up trivialities, or do you really think that mass murder is more excusable than genocide?


"Do you really think that shouting abuse at an Iranian legislator or executioner will help?".

I'm sorry if it is hard to fathom for you, but for me, direct action against the executors and tools of a repressive system is a pretty good idea. I'm sorry if you think that we can reason with our oppressors, I don't believe that.


Firstly calling it mass murder is stupid, it implies that coalition troops walk around blowing the brains out of everyone they see. This is not true.

Secondly can you clarify your position, which of these two do you think is better:

A. Hurling abuse at people, being unpopular and not acheiving anything apart from some crappy self righteous goal

or

B. Not hurling abuse at people, instead try and make yourself more popular and in a better position to stop it happening again.

[danyboy27]

ii just hoped to make leftist here think about their way of doing things in order to help them.


you can delete the topic dean that totally fine, its not constructive anymore, the main goal have been destroyed, nothing constructive gonna get out of this discussion anymore.

i have so much thing to say, but i guess i better shut the fuck up.

[pusher robot]

I repeat: fuck these military goons. They come back from a tour of a foreign nation, where they have killed, maimed and raped a civilian population and ruined their infrastructure. I support any and all resistance against these dirtbags, from vitriol to killings. When you put yourself in a position to kill innocent people for corporate interests, you had better bet on the consequences.

And I repeat: your acts of so-called "resistance" do absolutely fuck-all to help the people you claim to care about. Do you really think that lobbing a few tomatoes or smashing up a recruiting station is somehow going to impede your opponents in any way whatseoever? No, in fact it has the opposite effect: while your petty acts are of practically no concern whatseoever to your opponents, your hatred and contempt of the masses simply pushes them to side with your opponents - not because they support your opponents, but simply because they oppose you.

It's so counterproductive, so prone to galvanizing public support behind the opposite side, that I would guess that if leftists like yourself did not exist, insitutions of power would have to create them.

[Ken]

I repeat: fuck these military goons. They come back from a tour of a foreign nation, where they have killed, maimed and raped a civilian population and ruined their infrastructure. I support any and all resistance against these dirtbags, from vitriol to killings. When you put yourself in a position to kill innocent people for corporate interests, you had better bet on the consequences.

i am curious as to exactly how your thoughts here would translate into real, physical direct action.

[Dean]

I don't have time to keep responding to this petty shit. If you think the mass murder of Iraqis should be played down, good for you, you're real fucking classy. If you think that protesting against decorated murderers is too "inflammatory" then I am damn sorry that your moral compass is so twisted. I don't have time to keep repeating this.

[danyboy27]

case closed.
Now can we go back to constructive idea?
I am confident that the communists can do a lot of stuff to get friends and a positive public attention.
For exemple, i seen in a topic here that a group of anarchist succesfully revitalized a place, they really cleaned all the place, it moved from a junkie spot to a community garden.

To me, we need more people doing this kind of stuff, i think this way of doing things is great.

[Ken]

I don't have time to keep responding

go take a nice hot bath :) come back when you're ready! the internet is uniquely different from real-life situations as it gives you ample time to think about your responses!



If you think the mass murder of Iraqis should be played down, good for you, you're real fucking classy.

hmm well i dont think the murder of the mass murderers will help much at all, but apparently you do.



If you think that protesting against decorated murderers is too "inflammatory" then I am damn sorry that your moral compass is so twisted.

i am just curious about your methods. your means to the end.



If you think that protesting against decorated murderers is too "inflammatory" then I am damn sorry that your moral compass is so twisted.

i think that someone who wants to murder the mass murderers has quite a twisted moral compass. i could understand if you wanted to kill people just for the fun of it, but i want to know why you have come to your conclusions apparantly by use of reason.