Scottish activist films Israeli navy shooting at Palestinian fishermen

[spartan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTUYivihoTE

It is a complete joke that such a state (which shouldn't even exist in the first place) can get away with this sort of stuff!:mad:

If this was one of America's "rogue states" such as Bolivia and Venezuela, we wouldn't hear the end of it on the news and in the papers.

You even had the filmcrew shouting "We are international volunteers!" and yet they still fire in their direction.

[Incendiarism]

It is a travesty that such a state (which shouldn't even exist in the first place) can get away with this sort of stuff!:mad:

No, you've got it all wrong, it is the palestinians who terrorize the israeli people; their government does no wrong.

But really, the situation is terrible and I doubt anybody would give this anything more than a cursory glance, sadly. :/

[progressive_lefty]

No, you've got it all wrong, it is the palestinians who terrorize the israeli people; their government does no wrong.


How could anyone avoid the sarcasm? The sarcasm was the first thing that came to my mind.
I was thinking of saying someting like 'your an anti-semite' or 'jew-hater'.

[Raúl Duke]

How could anyone avoid the sarcasm? The sarcasm was the first thing that came to my mind.
I was thinking of saying someting like 'your an anti-semite' or 'jew-hater'.

??? I think I'm misunderstanding but...

Neither Incendiarism nor spartan did anything anti-semitic...spartan is just posting a video involving a Israeli warship attacking 2 small boats.

Incendiarism was just using some sarcasm yet at the same time alluding to the media-treatment of the Israeli-Palestinian conflicts and also lamenting about the violence and stating that few people will care about this video.

[Pawn Power]

I think these current acts of Israeli state-terror can be criticized without going into the history of the creation of Israel.

[Colonello Buendia]

not surprised that they fired on the volunteers, they're more dangerous to the zionists that hamas is.

[TheDifferenceEngine]

??? I think I'm misunderstanding but...

Neither Incendiarism nor spartan did anything anti-semitic...spartan is just posting a video involving a Israeli warship attacking 2 small boats.

Incendiarism was just using some sarcasm yet at the same time alluding to the media-treatment of the Israeli-Palestinian conflicts and also lamenting about the violence and stating that few people will care about this video.

He's being sarcastic too.

I think.

[RadicalRadical]

Katie Couric is laughing her ass off as she sees this footage. :glare:

[turquino]

It is a complete joke that such a state (which shouldn't even exist in the first place) can get away with this sort of stuff!:mad:
Why shouldn't the state of Israel exist in the first place? It's no more 'unnatural' than any other arbitrarily partitioned land.

In my opinion Israel and Palestine are saturated with activists and the whole situation receives an unhealthy amount of attention. Going ballistic over the smallest incident isn't helping our cause. Just read a few of the comments if you want a better idea of the sort of people this attracts:


"Fuck Jews, Fuck Israel. They are disgrace to humanity. People, PLEASE open your fucking eyes and start to THINK for yourself and not what mainstream tells you. You are all owned puppets!"

"And its the same fuckers that are pulling Bush's strings.
America is now OWNED by the Jews. They have succesfully infiltrated America as they said they would though owning the media and later on the actual Government.
They are strategically placed in all areas i.e Hollywood, Congress, Law amonst other high positions in society.
Mossad who are the Israeli CIA have a logo on their flag and it says "with deception thou shall do war".

Now I understand where suicide bombers get their anger from."

"this group of people we call jews was indeed "choosen" by a powerful elite long ago, to serve as mask or camouflage in a power conquest.
all the while they just laugh about the torah believing religous jew. their so called "leaders" exploit them. Theodor Herzl said: The anti-Semites shall be our best friends.

it is a careful construction to hide behind the jews as sandbags, to let them take any blame, even enter gas chamber and emerge instead them as the poor victim with a moral authority."

"Can you blame Iran for standing up to these criminals? How can Israel justified this and other crimes against humanity? Jews are sitting behind the Holocaust curtain and are getting a free ride to anything they want... Pathetic..."

[spartan]

Why shouldn't the state of Israel exist in the first place? It's no more 'unnatural' than any other arbitrarily partitioned land.
I was under the impression that Israel is merely an imperialist/colonialist pro-western state being propped up and supported by the US empire to keep the middle east in line?

Add to that their continuing ethnic cleansing of Palestinians on what is basically their land (even on Palestinian land which is internationally recognised such as the west bank), and I thought that no Israel (in it's current form) would be a good thing?

Also having no Israel is not the same as wishing all Jews in Palestine to be killed or forced out if that's what you are getting at.

I support a multicultural Palestinian state that consists of the territories of modern day Israel and Palestine, and has equal rights to all (Jew and Arab alike) who lives within it's borders. Not the ethnic cleansing, US puppet that is Israel.

Going ballistic over the smallest incident isn't helping our cause.
Compared to all the other shit these US puppets pull yes it is small, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be criticising them for despicable actions like this (plus I thought I should point out that I wasn't "going ballistic" as you said).

Especially when it's caught on tape and can be used as proof against all the pro-Israel right-wingers who always accuse anyone who attacks Israeli actions against Palestine of being in "pollywood" (Palestinian hollywood, i.e. untrue propaganda designed to make Israel look bad).


Just read a few of the comments if you want a better idea of the sort of people this attracts:

I think you have misunderstood me comrade, there is a big difference between right-wing anti-semites and left-wing anti-zionists!

[Yehuda Stern]

I think these current acts of Israeli state-terror can be criticized without going into the history of the creation of Israel.

Maybe, but why should we? Israel has been terrorizing the peoples of the Middle East since its inception. Before that, the Zionist movement has been doing the same for decades. Why shouldn't we go back to history? We shouldn't we expose the fact that this monster deserves to die and never deserved to live in the first place?

[Abluegreen7]

Being against Israel is not anti semetic at all.

There have been several jewish protests against the Israeli state. As I heard in one" Muslims and Jews coexisted peacefully before the foundation of Israel". "We used to baby sit eachothers children". "The foundation of the Israeli state has only produced hate towards the Palestineian people".
"We want things to go back the way they were before"

Why cant there just be one Palestineian state where Muslims and Jews can both share the land?

[Comrade B]

George Bush says "Wohoo, kick those terrorists asses!" while watching this video

What is it exactly that makes the US hate the rest of the middle east more than Israel? Their government is no less violent than its neighbors.

[Pawn Power]

Maybe, but why should we? Israel has been terrorizing the peoples of the Middle East since its inception. Before that, the Zionist movement has been doing the same for decades. Why shouldn't we go back to history? We shouldn't we expose the fact that this monster deserves to die and never deserved to live in the first place?

Because in this case I don't think it is useful.

Not that the history of Israeli State sponsored terrorism should go unrecognized but to argue if the State "deserves" to lives is fruitless. One, because the Israeli State indeed does now exists and two because it is strategically poor in that it deviates the focus from the actual atrocities that have happened and that are currently happening.

[spartan]

What is it exactly that makes the US hate the rest of the middle east more than Israel? Their government is no less violent than its neighbors.

Probably because if it was up to them (the middle eastern countries) they wouldn't sell their oil to the US, or if they did only at massive prices.

Israel is America's stick in the middle east which they occasionaly use to beat the Arabs as a reminder tha they have to do things that are favourable to them (America).

As a compromise America agrees not to criticise deplorable regimes like Saudi Arabia even though they are guilty of the same shit as the Taleban and Saddam Hussein (both of whom America do/did criticise).

All in all America are hypocrites but all's fair in the preservation of their empire (yeah right!).

[Abluegreen7]

Spartan that was a good comparison.

[Yehuda Stern]

to argue if the State "deserves" to lives is fruitless. One, because the Israeli State indeed does now exists and two because it is strategically poor in that it deviates the focus from the actual atrocities that have happened and that are currently happening.

Your first point is, as I've pointed out before, classical reformism. The powerless acceptance of what exists is the attitude of a frustrated middle class liberal, not of a revolutionary. Second, it does deviate the focus from Israel's current crimes at all - it highlights that these crimes are an organic part of Israel's existence and that there is no ridding ourselves of them as long as there is an Israel.

[progressive_lefty]

No, you've got it all wrong, it is the palestinians who terrorize the israeli people; their government does no wrong.


How could anyone avoid the sarcasm? The sarcasm was the first thing that came to my mind.
I was thinking of saying someting like 'your an anti-semite' or 'jew-hater'.
??? I think I'm misunderstanding but...

Neither Incendiarism nor spartan did anything anti-semitic...spartan is just posting a video involving a Israeli warship attacking 2 small boats.

Incendiarism was just using some sarcasm yet at the same time alluding to the media-treatment of the Israeli-Palestinian conflicts and also lamenting about the violence and stating that few people will care about this video.


He's being sarcastic too.

I think.

I was being sarcastic. Couldn't avoid it sorry.

[Guerrilla22]

Did the israeli govt. ever explain why they were shooting at fishing vessels? Are they claiming they entered their territorial waters or something along that line?

[spartan]

Did the israeli govt. ever explain why they were shooting at fishing vessels? Are they claiming they entered their territorial waters or something along that line?
It's because of the economic blockade Israel has on Hamas run Gaza.

This blockade is crippling industries in Gaza and making ordinary Gazans life a living hell.

This was why we saw all that stuff with the Egyptian border a few months back with Palestinians going into Egypt to collect essential supplies.