The Fascists

[Victim]

So, what is it about fascist's that make you tick?

Why do you hold such a grudge against them?

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

They split the working class be it on race , nationality or gender or even sexual orientation.

[Victim]

They split the working class be it on race , nationality or gender or even sexual orientation.


That maybe true, but have you ever thought that the same entity they oppose are also screwing the workers over?

[Sentinel]

That maybe true, but have you ever thought that the same entity they oppose are also screwing the workers over?


And which 'entity' is this?

[Victim]

And which 'entity' is this?


The powers that run the media, set our laws, etc.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

You mean the capitalist state?

yeah that does it aswell.

But so do the fash and they help make it more socialy aceptable to be a racist/homphobic/sexist piece of shite.

[Victim]

You mean the capitalist state?

yeah that does it aswell.

But so do the fash and they help make it more socialy aceptable to be a racist/homphobic/sexist piece of shite.



Actually, they wouldn't be fascist if they had no reason...would they? There ideas had to of stemmed from somewhere?

[Abluegreen7]

Victim your not a fascist are you?

I would hope not.

[Pirate Utopian]

Actually, they wouldn't be fascist if they had no reason...would they? There ideas had to of stemmed from somewhere?
Their ass.

They blame immigrants and other groups of people they hardly ever had contact with for because they dont know them and it's easy to blame what you dont know.

[Forward Union]

So, what is it about fascist's that make you tick?

Why do you hold such a grudge against them?

http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Maidan01.jpg

[Sentinel]

We don't discuss whether fascists should be opposed in the Antifa forum, but how to do it. Hence, moved.

[danyboy27]

if you look at it, fascist and communist both see a problem, but fascist didnt get deep to see the problem, they just picked quick what for them was the problem.

compare them to 2 people doing grocery, the fasist is taking bottle of coke, and he see a fly inside, then he declare: its beccause of flies that coke is disgusting, horrible! the communist take the same bottle, look at the back to read the manufacturer tag, and declare: how horrible this buisness is to manifacture such junk with a fly inside!

well, that the way i see it. i dont defend fascist, i hate them, but at the end, its beccause they are narrow minded that they stick to those childish hate preach. I heard many stories about fascist becoming communist after a while, mainly beccause communist have a better insight of their goal/objectives.

if fascism is so popular in certain places its mainly beccause this is simple: their main goal is to destroy and hate, and they see the result of their action damn fast, mainly beccause destroying something is a lot easier than building it. that hate ideology give to many of them thing they never had before: importance, stenght, feeling of superiority etc.

poor and helpless peoples+ high unemployement rate+no goal+high ethnicity city=nazi recruitement paradise.

i hate those fucker, fortunatly there is not much of them around here.

[Dros]

Actually, they wouldn't be fascist if they had no reason...would they? There ideas had to of stemmed from somewhere?

That's absolutely correct. There is a material basis for fascist ideas. The material basis can be very different depending on the location but it almost always has to do with groups of alienated people spontaneously laying the blame for their alienation on a scape goat group based usually on ethnicity, nationality, religion, or sexual orientation.

ln all cases, fascists are reactionary and fascism is always wrong. The fact that the idea came from somewhere does not in any way validate it in terms of legitimacy.

[Bud Struggle]

That's absolutely correct. There is a material basis for fascist ideas. The material basis can be very different depending on the location but it almost always has to do with groups of alienated people spontaneously laying the blame for their alienation on a scape goat group based usually on ethnicity, nationality, religion, or sexual orientation.

Absolutely correct.

Dros, it really bothers me that I agree with you so often. :rolleyes::lol:

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Hey, I like Richard Wagner's compositions. :laugh:

[Holden Caulfield]

Hey, I like Richard Wagner's compositions. :laugh:

i like Nietzsche and am not to keen on Bakunin... we should fight,

[Bud Struggle]

Hey, I like Richard Wagner's compositions. :laugh:

Gotterdammerung you! :lol:

[apathy maybe]

Hey, I like Richard Wagner's compositions. :laugh:

You mean the Richard Wagner who was an anarchist? 'Cause I like his stuff too... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wagner#Dresden (He may not have been exactly an anarchist, but he was a long way from a fascist or proto-fascist...)

"In September 1876 Karl Marx complained in a letter to his daughter Jenny: 'Wherever one goes these days one is pestered with the question: what do you think of Wagner?'" :lol:

[Demogorgon]

It is for pretty obvious reasons that we don't like fascists. Still I increasingly wonder whether this board has become so focussed on Neo-Nazis as to ignore other forms of fascists. For many people the terms are in fact interchangeable. There aren't any Neo-Nazi groups with serious political influence these days, but there are a lot of fascist (in the more general sense) groups managing such.

Not directly related to this thread, but worth raising.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

The ones that make it more socialy acceptable to be a racist / sexist / homophobe etc could cause massive amounts of damage and should be met with a glass bottle to the face.

[danyboy27]

The ones that make it more socialy acceptable to be a racist / sexist / homophobe etc could cause massive amounts of damage and should be met with a glass bottle to the face.

yea, and next thing you know the fascist who gonna get knocked out by this bottle gonna buy a pistol.

i love that mature way of dealing with the fascist problem.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

yea, and next thing you know the fascist who gonna get knocked out by this bottle gonna buy a pistol.

i love that mature way of dealing with the fascist problem.


My expirances say the nazi dosent have the balls. :lol:

Its a macho thing with nazis and if you injure there thugish honour they also give up.

[danyboy27]

My expirances say the nazi dosent have the balls. :lol:

Its a macho thing with nazis and if you injure there thugish honour they also give up.

its not beccause you beat up a young nazi recruit when he was alone that you have the almighty experience into fascist group.

in place like moscow, those fucker are pretty dangerous.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

its not beccause you beat up a young nazi recruit when he was alone that you have the almighty experience into fascist group.

in place like moscow, those fucker are pretty dangerous.

Inddeed they are.I am trying to make sure nothing like that shit develops here which means making it hard for the nazi shit tossers to be in a position where they can attack gay pride marches , harass ethnic minorities and bully kids into acepting there shite.

(talking bout gay pride marches and nazis reamber earlier this year when the marchers attacked the nazis - yeah thats the way it should be).

[Bud Struggle]

This thread is getting pretty "Schoolboy British."

No offence to either schools or the British.

If you don't mind please explain what a "Forum" is. As in: "I'm in Sixth Forum."

[danyboy27]

Inddeed they are.I am trying to make sure nothing like that shit develops here which means making it hard for the nazi shit tossers to be in a position where they can attack gay pride marches , harass ethnic minorities and bully kids into acepting there shite.

(talking bout gay pride marches and nazis reamber earlier this year when the marchers attacked the nazis - yeah thats the way it should be).

you should defend the opressed, beccause every time you ATTACK them senseless, you radicalize them, and i told ya, one day, they gonna get violent.

when you DEFEND peoples, it demoralize them, beccause you are united with peoples against them.

i have seen some pretty stupid clips, a bunch of 2 or 3 communist beating up a nazi in the metro, that guy was small and alone. What do you think this guy gonna do back home? he gonna feel PERSECUTED, and will be reactionary toward communist, and will stick to his group.

[Bud Struggle]

you should defend the opressed, beccause every time you ATTACK them senseless, you radicalize them, and i told ya, one day, they gonna get violent.

when you DEFEND peoples, it demoralize them, beccause you are united with peoples against them.

i have seen some pretty stupid clips, a bunch of 2 or 3 communist beating up a nazi in the metro, that guy was small and alone. What do you think this guy gonna do back home? he gonna feel PERSECUTED, and will be reactionary toward communist, and will stick to his group.

RevLeft: Making Fascists out of Communist sympathizers every day of the year.

[Demogorgon]

If you don't mind please explain what a "Forum" is. As in: "I'm in Sixth Forum."

It's "form", not "forum" and it is an English thing, not a British thing as there is no British school system. But anyway it just means they are in their sixth year of secondary education. Like an American saying they are a sophomore would mean they are in their second year of high school.

Of course the whole sixth form thing does get complicated, because sometimes they go to different schools for it or it gets split into two years or God knows what else. I don't actually know that much about the English school system though, so someone else had best assist you.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

you should defend the opressed, beccause every time you ATTACK them senseless, you radicalize them, and i told ya, one day, they gonna get violent.

BUT THEY ARE ALREADY VIOLENT / CREATEING A CLIMATE FOR THEIR VIOLENCE

And i would rather it way communists beating up nazi thugs then nazi thugs beating up random black people.


when you DEFEND peoples, it demoralize them, beccause you are united with peoples against them.

? are you saying it demorilizes black people/ gays / women when antifa beat the shit out of some nazi pricks who would quite happily see the above deported/shot/kept in a kitchen. Blacks gays and women are allowed into antifa.

(i reckon i misunderstood ya here).



i have seen some pretty stupid clips, a bunch of 2 or 3 communist beating up a nazi in the metro, that guy was small and alone. What do you think this guy gonna do back home? he gonna feel PERSECUTED, and will be reactionary toward communist, and will stick to his group.

I hope he feels Persecutued. He is already reactionary towards communists and in most cases would like to see them all dead. You seem to fail to understand the macho-thing nazis have. The whole "im so super hard and can deck four hundread people with a toothbrush" thing and beating them up damages this feeling. Quite often they just drop it / scares them into staying the fuck off the streets.

[danyboy27]

BUT THEY ARE ALREADY VIOLENT / CREATEING A CLIMATE FOR THEIR VIOLENCE

And i would rather it way communists beating up nazi thugs then nazi thugs beating up random black people.


? are you saying it demorilizes black people/ gays / women when antifa beat the shit out of some nazi pricks who would quite happily see the above deported/shot/kept in a kitchen. Blacks gays and women are allowed into antifa.

(i reckon i misunderstood ya here).




I hope he feels Persecutued. He is already reactionary towards communists and in most cases would like to see them all dead. You seem to fail to understand the macho-thing nazis have. The whole "im so super hard and can deck four hundread people with a toothbrush" thing and beating them up damages this feeling. Quite often they just drop it / scares them into staying the fuck off the streets.

yea you misunderstood i mean the nazi would be demoralized.

You know, i used to work with nazi during 3 months(i had no choice), some of them really psycho, and believe me for some its not a macho thing,
some of them having a website showing their atrocities, and some of them actually like being beaten up by you folks beccause its prove one of their point thinking you are a bunch of savage beast out of control.

there should be laws against them, like in germany.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

yea you misunderstood i mean the nazi would be demoralized.

You know, i used to work with nazi during 3 months(i had no choice), some of them really psycho, and believe me for some its not a macho thing,
some of them having a website showing their atrocities, and some of them actually like being beaten up by you folks beccause its prove one of their point thinking you are a bunch of savage beast out of control.

Some may. But alot of them are just thugs who use nazism as an excuse to be a prick. The best way to counter this is to fuck up there ego. Making them too scared to commit those atrocities is another great way to do things.
[quote=spetnaz21;1240008
there should be laws against them, like in germany.[/quote]


Yup even in germany though they exist. (Although where i went in germany loads of people has anti nazi shirts on).

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

This thread is getting pretty "Schoolboy British."

No offence to either schools or the British.

If you don't mind please explain what a "Forum" is. As in: "I'm in Sixth Forum."

The years inwhich your A leavels (the qualifications needed to get into university) are taken. They are also the years in which truancy laws no longer apply to you.

[RGacky3]

I don't care about fascists, they're arn't many left at all, so really I don't care about them, I would if they attained any realy power, but it does'nt seam like thats gonna happen, at least in the states.

Skinheads I don't really see as fascists, most of them probably never thought much farther than they hate blacks and love meth, to me I view them the way I view anyother dumbass thug, I'm pretty ambivolent to them unless they decide they want to mess around, in that case I treat them the way I treat any asshole thug.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

I don't care about fascists, they're arn't many left at all, so really I don't care about them, I would if they attained any realy power, but it does'nt seam like thats gonna happen, at least in the states.

Skinheads I don't really see as fascists, most of them probably never thought much farther than they hate blacks and love meth, to me I view them the way I view anyother dumbass thug, I'm pretty ambivolent to them unless they decide they want to mess around, in that case I treat them the way I treat any asshole thug.

Here they ride of the gutter press and bassicly do ultra prickish things (protest against black music or nail bombing somewhere).