Left Wing Politics

[Victim]

I do not align myself with any political movement, it’s just that many whites feel they are tossed to the bottom of the barrel when it comes to leftwing politics.

[Sentinel]

So, could you please expand a bit on your statement; which kind of leftwing politics are you talking about, why do 'many whites' feel like this, and what do you propose should be done about that?

[Victim]

So, could you please expand a bit on your statement; which kind of leftwing politics are you talking about, why do 'many whites' feel like this, and what do you propose should be done about that?



I think we need a government which works from the bottom up. The people of a community decide how society should be functioned. For example, if the community is predominately black, then the government should serve primarily black people...... and so forth.

[revolution inaction]

I think we need a government which works from the bottom up. The people of a community decide how society should be functioned. For example, if the community is predominately black, then the government should serve primarily black people...... and so forth.

why is it relevant what colour the people are?

Why do you say white people feel like they are throw to the bottom of the barrel? Its not like black people are doing loads better than white people is it?
Don't you think it might have more to do with them being working class?

[Victim]

why is it relevant what colour the people are?

Why do you say white people feel like they are throw to the bottom of the barrel? Its not like black people are doing loads better than white people is it?
Don't you think it might have more to do with them being working class?



It's more to do with strength: you cannot have strength and diversity at the instance, those notions counter act one another. Unity can only be achieved through the lack of diversity.

[Forward Union]

I think we need a government which works from the bottom up. The people of a community decide how society should be functioned. For example, if the community is predominately black, then the government should serve primarily black people...... and so forth.

Do black people have different interests to white people? Why would the service be different? It's not like they are cold blooded and need a different form of housing. The state you envisage could provide housing for it's subject. The skin pigmentation of the people really isn't a relevent factor in the process of house construction and distribution.


Unity can only be achieved through the lack of diversity.

Depends on the nature of the diversity. If you want to unite everyone with black skin, or green eyes. Then having a diversity of skin or eye colour will certainly prevent unity. But it's a false and meaningless unity.

There are no diversity of interests within the working class. We want housing, food and water. And on top of that all humans desire relationships and a sense of community.

We're all sat underneath a feast, and rather than fighting between ourselves over who gets the bigger crumbs I think we'd all do better to tip the table over.


you cannot have strength and diversity at the instance

You're incredibly wrong on this point. If the human race wasn't diverse it would be extint. A single disease has trouble passing from human to human within a short space of time because the biology of every human varies and it has to adapt. Sometimes it can't. If we were to concerntrait racial groups (something that has never naturally happened) then we'd become less immune and adaptable to nature. Even within the so called "white race" we have Celts, Ayrians, Caucasions, Anglo-saxons, Nordsk etc. And within central europe there are traces of arabic blood in the gene pool (not to mention the genes found in most europeans that trace linage back to Mongolia, Iran and Africa) left from the old trade routes from Arabia that introduced delicious spices, important mathematical discoveries, forms of government, and gunpowder into Europe. Many europeans can trace their heritage back to Mongol invaders, and the Ayrians themselves are from Persia. So any lines you draw between "white" and "black" are made up and scientifically meaningless.

We actually are what we are now because of diversity. Culture is something to be celebrated. But not locked up, it's static and in flux, and always has been. While new things are introduced, they are always interperated and changed by the locale. The introduction of bagpipes from Arabia into Ireland didn't make them all muslims, but it did add to their culture something they never had before.

[Victim]

Do black people have different interests to white people? Why would the service be different? It's not like they are cold blooded and need a different form of housing. The state you envisage could provide housing for it's subject. The skin pigmentation of the people really isn't a relevent factor in the process of house construction and distribution.



Depends on the nature of the diversity. If you want to unite everyone with black skin, or green eyes. Then having a diversity of skin or eye colour will certainly prevent unity. But it's a false and meaningless unity.

There are no diversity of interests within the working class. We want housing, food and water. And on top of that all humans desire relationships and a sense of community.

We're all sat underneath a feast, and rather than fighting between ourselves over who gets the bigger crumbs I think we'd all do better to tip the table over.



You're incredibly wrong on this point. If the human race wasn't diverse it would be extint. A single disease has trouble passing from human to human within a short space of time because the biology of every human varies and it has to adapt. Sometimes it can't. If we were to concerntrait racial groups (something that has never naturally happened) then we'd become less immune and adaptable to nature. Even within the so called "white race" we have Celts, Ayrians, Caucasions, Anglo-saxons, Nordsk etc. And within central europe there are traces of arabic blood in the gene pool left from the old trade routes from Arabia that introduced delicious spices, important mathematical discoveries, forms of government, and gunpowder into Europe.

We actually are what we are now because of diversity. Culture is something to be celebrated. But not locked up, it's static and in flux, and always has been. While new things are introduced, they are always interperated and changed by the locale. The introduction of bagpipes from Arabia into Ireland didn't make them all muslims, but it did add to their culture something they never had before.


Your argument makes no sense. If we are diverse, then our interests will be diverse also making it impossible for unity to occur.

[Forward Union]

Your argument makes no sense. If we are diverse, then our interests will be diverse also making it impossible for unity to occur.

What kind of diversity are we talking about? Racial? again, I don't think different races have conflicting interests.

Regardless of cultural, racial or religious beliefs/oragins. We all need food, shelter, and want sex and friends. So political unity around these issues is always possible amongst working people, and what statue you put in the corner of your room and worship, the colour walpaper you prefer, and whether or not you go for a traditional Indian Curry or Fish and Chips (a traditional Jewish Dish, introduced to the UK) I really couldn't give less of a shit.

[Victim]

What kind of diversity are we talking about? Racial? again, I don't think different races have conflicting interests.


Think of the differences between Christians, Jews and Muslims. If there were any attempt to integrate these particular groups in one locate the result would be catastrophic.

[Forward Union]

Think of the differences between Christians, Jews and Muslims. If there were any attempt to integrate these particular groups in one locate the result would be catastrophic.

This is only a problem due to the fundementalists of said religions. But you are correct, the extremes of all religious beliefscan have catastrophic effects on society. Not only do the interests of Islam and christianity contradict, but both these religions contradict the interests of say, women.

So we must certainly work against dogmatic religion and argue for secularism. Fortunately 44% of the UK doesn't believe in God and that figure is going up and up.

[Robert]

the old trade routes from Arabia that introduced delicious spices

Yeah, baby, let's hear it for commerce!

Whatever the historical impediments to progress, it can't be race, and race is losing relevance in my country with each passing generation. Obviously there are white males who feel left out of "progressive" reforms by liberals over the last 50 years because the reforms weren't designed to help them.

[apathy maybe]

Yeah, baby, let's hear it for commerce!

Whatever the historical impediments to progress, it can't be race, and race is losing relevance in my country with each passing generation. Obviously there are white males who feel left out of "progressive" reforms by liberals over the last 50 years because the reforms weren't designed to help them.

Is that because the white males didn't require help?


(And I do hope this "victim" person has become a "victim" of our restriction/banning policy with regards to racists. The analogy from Robin Underground regarding tipping the table over is a great one. Fuck the bosses, we shouldn't be fighting amongst ourselves for crumbs, but joining together to get the entire feast.)

[Pawn Power]

Think of the differences between Christians, Jews and Muslims. If there were any attempt to integrate these particular groups in one locate the result would be catastrophic.

I have lived peacefully in a building with Christians, Jews, and Muslims. In fact, most of us were good friends! We all watched and played sports together, etc. The only "difference" was that we worshiped different scripture... or in my case non at all.

[Robert]

Is that because the white males didn't require help?

That's really two questions. The motivation for civil rights reforms in the 50's and 60's was political, not humanitarian, as others note above: Democrats wanted to bring African Americans, who had been loyal to "the party of Lincoln" until that time, over to their team. Identical political considerations, not humanitarian concerns, drive current immigration debates.

The legislation was clearly aimed at blacks and women, though textually it applied to all. Relatively few white males sue under civil rights laws. They can if they really want to. White firemen come to mind.

But no, white males did not require federal "help" in gaining admission to public facilities like swimming pools and voting booths.

[Forward Union]

Nothing more from Victim?

[RGacky3]

The only people that would make whites feel uncomfortable are the ones that call all white workers labor-aristocracy, and accuse them of innate racism, and treat them like their whiteness makes them the enemy, its best just to ignore those jackasses.

What we are fighting for, equality, freedom, solidarity, and the such applies to everyone, thats the nature of socialism


I have lived peacefully in a building with Christians, Jews, and Muslims. In fact, most of us were good friends! We all watched and played sports together, etc. The only "difference" was that we worshiped different scripture... or in my case non at all.

And I guarantee you that if they are wage slaves, they would all benefit from socialism.


Unity can only be achieved through the lack of diversity.

Nice wordplay, but its wrong, unity is achieved through a common goal, and working toward that goal, diversity in lifestyle and beliefs, has nothing to do with it.

[Lynx]

Think of the differences between Christians, Jews and Muslims. If there were any attempt to integrate these particular groups in one locate the result would be catastrophic.
Integration would be voluntary, not forced as you perhaps are suggesting. Acts by racists infringing on other's freedom to live where they want would not be tolerated.