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Clyde45
12th September 2008, 22:23
After the fall of USSR and the communist regimes of Eastern europe, the popular opinion is pretty much anti-communist. Although these states weren't truly communist, people associate them with communism. With horribly bloody dictators and freedom being destroyed, these countries did not look ideal. So how will you convince them otherwise when they probably already have a strong opinion?

Dr Mindbender
13th September 2008, 01:51
the ever decreasing material conditions imposed by the ruling system will eventually force people into choosing a new way of thinking. It can go either 2 ways, communism or fascism. When that time comes, it is our role to make sure the workers pick up the red flag instead of the sabre of national socialism. If you look at history, communism has nearly always occured during times of crisis. It seldomly starts during political calm because people feel at ease; they have position and status, and much to lose. We are in one such current epoch which is why communism looks like a pie in the sky. But with imminent catastrophe on the horizon, what with changing temperatures, rising seas, credit crunches and dwindling resources it is difficult to see how the ruling class can mantain both it's hegemony and our apathy for much longer. If you look at the present day and the turbulence of the early twentieth century which was a time of radical political change, the parallels are there to see.

el_chavista
13th September 2008, 02:06
Polls show people in those countries think they were better before this “instantaneous capitalism”, so it is not “popular opinion” but mass media business’ opinion.
We don´t need to convince anyone. We just accompany the working class by the road from its vindicative fighting to freedom from exploitation.

mikelepore
13th September 2008, 08:47
If people haven't already awakened before this, at some point capitalism's law of economics that prevents the average person's income from rising much above a bare subsistence level would have to seem absurd. Imagine it's the the 25th century, the solar system is colonized by space travelers, robotics has magnified productivity by a factor of thousands, but almost all of this magnified productivity goes to the few, so that the wealthiest people are quadrillionaires, and still the workers periodically have to go on strike for a mere living wage so they can obtain food and shelter. I don't think people can close their eyes forever to how ridiculous that will be. The assumption that this is the best of all possible systems will have to get challenged eventually.

revolution inaction
13th September 2008, 09:02
Discribe what we want, then tell them what its called :D

Robespierre2.0
13th September 2008, 16:12
We won't convice them it is 'ideal'. We will convince them it is 'material'.
Communism is a materialist, as opposed to idealist school of thought.
If you don't understand the dichtomy between materialism and idealism, I can suggest several essays/books.

Also, you said 'The communist regimes of Eastern Europe'
These nations were not 'communist'. They were socialist states. Socialism is the transition stage to communism, in which a state- a proletarian dictatorship governed by a vanguard party is necessary. Communism, which will come after the bourgeoisie of the world have been defeated, is the stateless, classless society.
Specifically, these East-Bloc states were revisionist post-1953, as they abandoned Marxism-Leninism for Eurocommunism, began rapproachment with the west, and gradually adopted more and more elements of the market economy until their collapse.

The point about 'horrrible bloody dictators' I find offensive.
Socialism is NEVER going to gain support if socialists point at every successful revolution and say 'That's not what we stand for!'.
The fact is, those revolutionary movements were SUCCESSFUL. The Bolsheviks successfully gained power, and despite what the capitalist media tells you, the quality of life generally improved dramatically.
They will tell you every gory detail about Stalin's alleged 'brutality', but totally gloss over the fact tht the generation growing up in the Soviet 1930s was the first to have education for all, a health care system, quality transportation, and all sorts of other amenities that were previously only available to the opulent palace-dwellers in Tsarist Russia.
I suggest you seek out other, less sensationalist sources of media before coming to such a conclusion about Stalin and/or the socialist states.

As for convincing the masses, all we can do is propagandize; put our message out there, and try to make it push the buttons of the working class- explain why the previous states were mostly successful, and why, with the technology we have today, we won't have to deal with as many of the hardships the USSR and China had to go through in modernizing.

Black Sheep
13th September 2008, 16:38
Discribe what we want, then tell them what its called
LOLOOL so true!!:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Forward Union
13th September 2008, 17:29
How will you convince the masses that communism is ideal?

I dont think we need to. Most people already think it'sa good ideal.

However, they don't think it will work. They lack confidence in it's achievability. All we need to do is make it a realistially potential alternative through constructive action. Today, that's done by achieving small victories in the workplaces and in the communities. The blood service campaign and Council housing campaigns that I have linked in my signature are good places to start.