Ghost Writer
25th March 2003, 13:36
Here is an example of one of the exchanges I had on the other forum. Some of you have had the priviledge of meeting many of the patriotic Americans from youdebate.com, which have challenged your proposed system recently. The following is an on-going debate I am having with a member of the "aryan race". It follows:
Aryana: "Why is it so evil for the Aryan people to have freedom, to prevent the genocide of our ancient and noble race?
Why are those who want to resist genocide so demonised in today's society?"
Stormin Norman: "That's the worst spin I have ever seen, in my life. Its pretty despicable for you to try to equate multiculturalism to genocide. However, I do think multiculturalism has its dangers, especially the kind of destabilizing we saw in the Balkans, which could lead to attempted genocide. However, what I am getting from you is that you are trying to use the threat of genocide as a reason to commit genocide."
Aryana: "Aryans who advocate the preservation of their race are demonised by media, academia and government as "haters", "bigots", "extremists", "racists".
Aryans are discriminated against by western governments through schemes like "affirmative action"
The Aryan birth rate is lower than the nonwhite birthrates, and nonwhite immigrants continually pour into the west, even after nonwhites destroyed the twin towers.
What happens when Aryans are a vulnerable minority all throughout the west (which is projected to happen over the next 50-100 years) surrounded by people taught to hate them?"
He adds: " I am anti-genocide. That is why i support autonomy for the Aryans who wish to be free. Are you going to argue that self-determination is o.k. for groups like Jews and Kurds but bad for Aryans?
I support racial peace, racial harmony, global unity. Without a subspecies having a viable homeland, extinction naturally follows."
Stormin Norman:
Aryans who advocate the preservation of their race are demonised by media, academia and government as "haters", "bigots", "extremists", "racists".
I think the Aryan groups have done a better job of painting themselves in that corner.
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You are right that many Western cultures have a birthrate that is surpassed by their death rate. The growth model applied to those demographics does not show an overwhelming growth trend as it does in 3rd world countries. This is a product of 3rd world cultures, as often times it is seen as a commodity to have a workforce of children to work the land. In places like India and Africa and many Arab nations many children equate to an economic advantage. At the same time, westerners are taught that abortions are righteous, and that a family's income must exceed $65,000 dollars, in order to "properly" raise a child. As a result, places like Germany, France, England, and the United States are finding it necessary to import labor to account for the declining growth rate of their populations.
I would also agree that theoretically the more homogenous a nation is the greater its chances for success, as it will have less violence and societal cleavages. However, in this world of technological improvements, it is also an advantage to acquire different cultural perspectives by importing the best and brightest from around the world. The nation that can offer the kind of intellectual freedom that fosters innovation and freethinking will most likely come out on top. Of course, America has been very good about integrating alien people into its society in the past. Unfortunately, the liberal has distorted this part of our history, much like they do with every historical trend, into a perverted lie. They claim that everyone has a right to the wealth of our nation, and it should be handed out free of charge, without gaining anything in return. They ignore historical movements to conduct immigration in a wise fashion, by pulling at people's heartstrings and appealing to affect. I would not have agreed with "give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses" then, and I don't agree with it now. Instead it should read, "give us your best, your brightest, your most worthy individuals". The liberals ignore the epidemiological problems that an unchecked influx of immigration can cause, and they could be responsible for the next epidemic in our borders. The liberals forget that we have had exclusionary acts to prevent an enemy's access to our country, and they have allowed an influx of people who are sympathetic to ideologies that run contrary to the principles that built this great nation of ours. They forget that we have had socialization processes within our schools and communities to assimilate those who venture to our land. Instead they defend their right to speak foreign languages and retain their allegiance to their former states, which is a huge national security blunder. They have done everything in their power to turn yet another one of the great aspects of our country against itself. Those who wish to destroy our nation, may well be using immigration to cause a demographics shift that has not been seen anywhere outside of war.
Obviously, immigration and multiculturalism presents a danger if not done correctly, but you wish to turn this problem into a reason to balkanize our own country. The integrity of our borders depends on a rational immigration policy that combines the strength of varying backgrounds, with a common sense approach to maintaining the strength of the underlying culture that all Americans should understand. What I have seen, has been deliberate erosion of this culture, and part of the strategy has been to weaken it through unchecked immigration. You are right to be concerned about the survival of your culture, but to apply racism as a means to change it only hurts your argument. It plays into the hands of those who are seeking to divide and conquer America; so they can "rescue" it with a heavy handed government that expedites the erosion by countering the democracy, which has made certain problems persistent. They will have no choice but to combat the predator-prey system they have created, by undermining our courts and allowing unsavory characters into the nation, through a police state. However, the racially motivated crimes and separatist movements that accompany unchecked immigration will also require the kind of heavy-handed government sought by those who are orchestrating the decay.
Even though this problem has been created by liberals, the conservatives are not immune to the political pressure such a large demographic can have. Neither side of the aisle is willing to touch this problem, because of the possible political fallout their party may suffer from, as a result of enforcing current laws. Really this is a beautiful maneuver, from a strategic standpoint, although the conspirators are not considering the possible blowback they could incur. How long do they think they will be able to maintain power if they allow their political power to be reduced by people who do not understand they are being used as a political weapon? Don't they see that a constituency that aims to vote out democracy can eliminate their power? Perhaps they think the chaos that will ensue will happen before the other scenario is likely to occur, and they can effectively ensure their stranglehold over the system, in an emergency situation. Whatever the case, racism is not the answer, sound immigration policy is.
(Edited by Ghost Writer at 9:56 pm on Mar. 25, 2003)
Aryana: "Why is it so evil for the Aryan people to have freedom, to prevent the genocide of our ancient and noble race?
Why are those who want to resist genocide so demonised in today's society?"
Stormin Norman: "That's the worst spin I have ever seen, in my life. Its pretty despicable for you to try to equate multiculturalism to genocide. However, I do think multiculturalism has its dangers, especially the kind of destabilizing we saw in the Balkans, which could lead to attempted genocide. However, what I am getting from you is that you are trying to use the threat of genocide as a reason to commit genocide."
Aryana: "Aryans who advocate the preservation of their race are demonised by media, academia and government as "haters", "bigots", "extremists", "racists".
Aryans are discriminated against by western governments through schemes like "affirmative action"
The Aryan birth rate is lower than the nonwhite birthrates, and nonwhite immigrants continually pour into the west, even after nonwhites destroyed the twin towers.
What happens when Aryans are a vulnerable minority all throughout the west (which is projected to happen over the next 50-100 years) surrounded by people taught to hate them?"
He adds: " I am anti-genocide. That is why i support autonomy for the Aryans who wish to be free. Are you going to argue that self-determination is o.k. for groups like Jews and Kurds but bad for Aryans?
I support racial peace, racial harmony, global unity. Without a subspecies having a viable homeland, extinction naturally follows."
Stormin Norman:
Aryans who advocate the preservation of their race are demonised by media, academia and government as "haters", "bigots", "extremists", "racists".
I think the Aryan groups have done a better job of painting themselves in that corner.
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You are right that many Western cultures have a birthrate that is surpassed by their death rate. The growth model applied to those demographics does not show an overwhelming growth trend as it does in 3rd world countries. This is a product of 3rd world cultures, as often times it is seen as a commodity to have a workforce of children to work the land. In places like India and Africa and many Arab nations many children equate to an economic advantage. At the same time, westerners are taught that abortions are righteous, and that a family's income must exceed $65,000 dollars, in order to "properly" raise a child. As a result, places like Germany, France, England, and the United States are finding it necessary to import labor to account for the declining growth rate of their populations.
I would also agree that theoretically the more homogenous a nation is the greater its chances for success, as it will have less violence and societal cleavages. However, in this world of technological improvements, it is also an advantage to acquire different cultural perspectives by importing the best and brightest from around the world. The nation that can offer the kind of intellectual freedom that fosters innovation and freethinking will most likely come out on top. Of course, America has been very good about integrating alien people into its society in the past. Unfortunately, the liberal has distorted this part of our history, much like they do with every historical trend, into a perverted lie. They claim that everyone has a right to the wealth of our nation, and it should be handed out free of charge, without gaining anything in return. They ignore historical movements to conduct immigration in a wise fashion, by pulling at people's heartstrings and appealing to affect. I would not have agreed with "give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses" then, and I don't agree with it now. Instead it should read, "give us your best, your brightest, your most worthy individuals". The liberals ignore the epidemiological problems that an unchecked influx of immigration can cause, and they could be responsible for the next epidemic in our borders. The liberals forget that we have had exclusionary acts to prevent an enemy's access to our country, and they have allowed an influx of people who are sympathetic to ideologies that run contrary to the principles that built this great nation of ours. They forget that we have had socialization processes within our schools and communities to assimilate those who venture to our land. Instead they defend their right to speak foreign languages and retain their allegiance to their former states, which is a huge national security blunder. They have done everything in their power to turn yet another one of the great aspects of our country against itself. Those who wish to destroy our nation, may well be using immigration to cause a demographics shift that has not been seen anywhere outside of war.
Obviously, immigration and multiculturalism presents a danger if not done correctly, but you wish to turn this problem into a reason to balkanize our own country. The integrity of our borders depends on a rational immigration policy that combines the strength of varying backgrounds, with a common sense approach to maintaining the strength of the underlying culture that all Americans should understand. What I have seen, has been deliberate erosion of this culture, and part of the strategy has been to weaken it through unchecked immigration. You are right to be concerned about the survival of your culture, but to apply racism as a means to change it only hurts your argument. It plays into the hands of those who are seeking to divide and conquer America; so they can "rescue" it with a heavy handed government that expedites the erosion by countering the democracy, which has made certain problems persistent. They will have no choice but to combat the predator-prey system they have created, by undermining our courts and allowing unsavory characters into the nation, through a police state. However, the racially motivated crimes and separatist movements that accompany unchecked immigration will also require the kind of heavy-handed government sought by those who are orchestrating the decay.
Even though this problem has been created by liberals, the conservatives are not immune to the political pressure such a large demographic can have. Neither side of the aisle is willing to touch this problem, because of the possible political fallout their party may suffer from, as a result of enforcing current laws. Really this is a beautiful maneuver, from a strategic standpoint, although the conspirators are not considering the possible blowback they could incur. How long do they think they will be able to maintain power if they allow their political power to be reduced by people who do not understand they are being used as a political weapon? Don't they see that a constituency that aims to vote out democracy can eliminate their power? Perhaps they think the chaos that will ensue will happen before the other scenario is likely to occur, and they can effectively ensure their stranglehold over the system, in an emergency situation. Whatever the case, racism is not the answer, sound immigration policy is.
(Edited by Ghost Writer at 9:56 pm on Mar. 25, 2003)