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Black Sheep
12th September 2008, 12:40
Is there a form of social + leftist anarchism that can be considered non class-strugglist? :confused:
Also, anarcho-syndicalism is just a form of applying anarchism in class struggle, right?
Forward Union
12th September 2008, 12:52
Is there a form of social anarchism that can be considered non class-strugglist? :confused:
off topic-
Also how can i post a poll?
Yes. There are forms of Anarchism that focus entirely on the individual. These see opressor/opressed relations to be entirely personal phenomia, between an abusive husband and the submissive wife for example.
They sometimes argue that the Rich are opressed by their own culture, having to go to dinner parties and wear awkward shoes and make awkward conversation. And surpress their humanity.
In other words its a load of bollocks.
There's also such a thing as National Anarchism. Which see race as the major source of opression. They argue for racial segrigation and regional, stateless autonomy for every racial group
And then there are Anarcho Capitalists which argue for the abolition of state and control by the market.
While some of these ideas certainly do recognise class. They don't really see the class struggle as important, and certainly do not champion the interests of the working class. I think I should point out that these ideas are incredibly fringe and are pretty much the begining of a departure from anarchism, as opposed to a logical extension of it.
Black Sheep
12th September 2008, 13:05
Edited the 1st post for clarification and more questions.:)
Forward Union
12th September 2008, 13:11
Anarcho-Syndicalism is just A form of Unionism that involves anti-state philosophy. Anarchist Communism, Platformism, Classical Anarchism forms of anarchism are Class-struggle anarchism.
revolution inaction
12th September 2008, 13:30
Is there a form of social + leftist anarchism that can be considered non class-strugglist? :confused:
Also, anarcho-syndicalism is just a form of applying anarchism in class struggle, right?
All anarchism is socialist, but not all kinds of anarchism want to bring about a revolution through class struggle.
For example insurrectionists.
There's also such a thing as National Anarchism. Which see race as the major source of opression. They argue for racial segrigation and regional, stateless autonomy for every racial group
And then there are Anarcho Capitalists which argue for the abolition of state and control by the market.
While some of these ideas certainly do recognise class. They don't really see the class struggle as important, and certainly do not champion the interests of the working class. I think I should point out that these ideas are incredibly fringe and are pretty much the begining of a departure from anarchism, as opposed to a logical extension of it.
National anarchism and anarcho capitalism are not anarchism at all, they don't really share anything beyond the name
The Douche
12th September 2008, 15:22
Is there a form of social + leftist anarchism that can be considered non class-strugglist? :confused:
Also, anarcho-syndicalism is just a form of applying anarchism in class struggle, right?
Insurrectionary anarchism falls under that category. While insurrectionary anarchists do see class as oppressive and as a driving force behind revolution we do not see it as the driving force behind revolution. It may contribute more to revolutionary zeal at times, but then other times it may be sexism that contributes more to the desire for revolution. The idea is essentially, that oppression exists in many forms and that all these forms contribute to revolution and all must be adressed within the anarchist movement if it is to liberate people.
Anarcho-syndicalism is class struggle but it's kind of awkward just to say it is "applying anarchism" to class struggle.
Os Cangaceiros
12th September 2008, 16:13
The class struggle cannot be seperated from anarchism. It's an integral part of the philosophy.
ComradeOm
12th September 2008, 21:27
The class struggle cannot be seperated from anarchism. It's an integral part of the philosophy.This man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Stirner), amongst many others, would disagree with you. Even as late as the 1930s there was a sizeable faction of 'true' anarchists in Spain that did not explicitly tie themselves to the working class (a la syndicalism or anarcho-communism). Its actually only been very recently (ie within the past few decades) that class struggle theory has been considered an "integral part" of anarchist philosophy
Die Neue Zeit
13th September 2008, 01:54
^^^ And we have Wayne Price to thank for that recent development. :)
Bilan
13th September 2008, 02:04
Anarcho-Syndicalism is just A form of Unionism that involves anti-state philosophy. Anarchist Communism, Platformism, Classical Anarchism forms of anarchism are Class-struggle anarchism.
Anarcho-syndicalism is an anarchist tendency that places emphasis on the class struggle (And is not alone in doing so), but (is alone in its emphasis) has an emphasis on unions, and sees unions as a vehicle of revolutionary change and struggle - e.g. Spanish Civil War.
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