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Wake Up
12th September 2008, 10:53
President George W Bush has authorised US military raids against militants inside Pakistan without prior approval from Islamabad, the BBC has learned.
An unnamed senior Pentagon official told the BBC the classified order had been made within the past two months.
On Wednesday, the US's top military commander said strategy in Afghanistan was shifting to include raids across the border into Pakistan.
Pakistan has said it will not allow foreign forces on to its territory.
The Pakistani ambassador to the US has disputed the claim, first reported in the New York Times.
"In our bilateral discussions, no such idea has been mooted and will certainly not be accepted by Pakistan," Husain Haqqani told Reuters.
"Pakistan would not accept foreign troops. This is not the best way to pursue the war against terror," he said.
Growing frustration
The US say that Pakistan's north-west tribal areas are being used as "safe havens" by militants preparing attacks on Afghanistan.
But Pakistan's Chief of Army Staff, Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, said there was "no question of any agreement or understanding with the coalition forces whereby they are allowed to conduct operations on our side of the border".



The Afghan-Pakistan militant nexus
Voices from unstable borders
He said the sovereignty and integrity of Pakistan would be defended at all cost.
A senior Pentagon official told the BBC that Mr Bush gave his approval this summer for cross-border raids into Pakistan.
The order includes the use of conventional ground troops crossing the border into Pakistan to pursue militants there.
An unnamed former intelligence official told the New York Times that the Pakistani government was not told about intended targets because of concerns that its intelligence services has been infiltrated by al-Qaeda supporters.
The BBC's Kim Ghattas, in Washington, says it is a sign of growing US frustration with Islamabad's lack of assertive action against the militants.
There is also an increasing concern about the threat such militants pose to Nato troops in neighbouring Afghanistan, and potentially to the US, says our correspondent.
The US has been carrying out regular military air strikes on Pakistan from Afghanistan, but ten days ago US troops carried out a ground assault for the first time.
Pakistan said the raid in South Waziristan was a violation of its sovereignty and summoned the US ambassador to hear a "very strong protest".
Islamabad fears that attacks by US troops could encourage support for the Taleban militants among tribal groups in the border area.
The latest revelation appears to be part of a slow change in US strategy towards Pakistan and will only add to the tensions between the two countries, our correspondent adds.
'Common insurgency'
Officially, the US has stressed the need for co-operation with Islamabad.



US 'must target Pakistan havens'
On Thursday, the chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, told Congress that the US must continue to work closely with Pakistan.
"In my view, these two nations are inextricably linked in a common insurgency that crosses the border between them," he said.
"We can hunt down and kill extremists as they cross over the border from Pakistan... but until we work more closely with the Pakistani government to eliminate the safe havens from which they operate, the enemy will only keep coming."
The US move to focus efforts on the Afghan-Pakistan border was welcomed by Afghan President Hamid Karzai.
"Change of strategy is essential," Mr Karzai said at a news conference in Kabul on Thursday.
"It means that we go to those areas which are the training bases and havens - we jointly go there and remove and destroy them."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7611287.stm

I'm not surprised at all, but the gall of the whole thing astounds me.

TheDifferenceEngine
12th September 2008, 17:37
Looks like the fecal matter is soon to come into contact with rapidly spinning blades...

spartan
12th September 2008, 22:15
This is exactly what I said was going to happen in my "Is the US trying to start a war with Pakistan?" thread.

And now it has happened!

I wonder what the response of the post-Musharraf Pakistan government will be to this violation of their sovereignty (bearing in my mind that they have already refused US demands to allow them to strike the Taleban and Al-Qaeda in Pakistan's autonomous border tribal region).

TheDifferenceEngine
13th September 2008, 17:39
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24336245-26397,00.html

Holy shit.

Honestly, this is going downhill in a bad way.

Abluegreen7
13th September 2008, 17:43
Can you honestly go downhill in a good way TheDiffrenceEngine?

TheDifferenceEngine
13th September 2008, 17:51
Can you honestly go downhill in a good way TheDiffrenceEngine?

It's just a figure of speech.

Abluegreen7
13th September 2008, 17:56
Is Bush going to get charged for these war crimes he has commited and is capable of commiting?

Its really disturbing how this has happened. Bush deserves the same rope Saddam got.

TheDifferenceEngine
13th September 2008, 19:06
Is Bush going to get charged for these war crimes he has commited and is capable of commiting?

Its really disturbing how this has happened. Bush deserves the same rope Saddam got.

Unfortunatly might makes right, Bush and his cohorts will not be charged for their crimes as long as the capitalist system stands.

But hey, everyone here knows that right?

Yehuda Stern
13th September 2008, 19:46
Apparently not.

Abluegreen7
13th September 2008, 19:55
The only reason I brought up that is the fact that the Bush Administration are hypocrites.

TheDifferenceEngine
13th September 2008, 20:47
A U.S-Pakistan war is... Quite possible and, hell I'll go out on a limb and say it's more of a flashpoint for World war 3 than the whole S. Ossetia business.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Pakistan_relations

Yeah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0K_LZDXp0I

Dominicana_1965
13th September 2008, 21:07
These recent attacks launched by the imperialists have angered many Pakistanis in Waziristan (and Pakistan in general). How has the Pakistani capitalist state responded? Not with a demanding ouster of U.S. forces in the region but a mere plea, asking the U.S. to "knock it off already".

spartan
13th September 2008, 22:43
Pakistan army to retaliate if US conducts raids, according to Pakistan army spokesman Major General Athar Abbas!

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2008/20080913/main4.htm

Comrade B
13th September 2008, 23:37
The republicans will start as many conflicts as possible before they leave office so that they can blame the democrats, its how they roll

BIG BROTHER
14th September 2008, 02:46
Well seeing that Bush personaly doesn't have anything to lose, this doesn't surprise me.

spartan
14th September 2008, 03:27
He is probably doing it to make Americans think that the war on terror is far from over and that they "need" a "strong" president to deal with this crises.

And who better then the Republican presidential candidate John McCain who likes to present himself as strong, decisive, experienced and with military knowledge (which in reality only amounts to how to be a shit pilot getting shot down loads of times before being captured by the enemy and kept as a prisoner until the end of the war).

Something tells me this is all engineered to improve McCain's chances of winning the presidental election.

TheDifferenceEngine
14th September 2008, 14:02
Something tells me this is all engineered to improve McCain's chances of winning the presidental election.

Sending special forces into a nuclear-armed state without their permission?

It's a bit of a serious thing to do JUST to boost some schmuck's chances in an election.

Comrade B
14th September 2008, 17:13
Sending special forces into a nuclear-armed state without their permission?

It's a bit of a serious thing to do JUST to boost some schmuck's chances in an election.
What else do they hope to achieve?
Do you think the Bush administration really cares about fighting terrorist organizations? So long as Bin Laden is free the republicans have a free pass to do what they will in the middle east.

Abluegreen7
14th September 2008, 18:05
Isnt it disgusting Comrade B. America gets to pile up bodies due to Terrorism?

Now correct me if Im wrong "Isnt what America is doing in the Middle East count as terrorism"?

Not only are they messing around in the middle east the united states is now wanting to kill Chavez and Morales.

Its gross.

TheDifferenceEngine
14th September 2008, 19:28
What else do they hope to achieve?
Do you think the Bush administration really cares about fighting terrorist organizations? So long as Bin Laden is free the republicans have a free pass to do what they will in the middle east.

Do you actually think the American Bourgeoisie (let's not forget who is really in power here) are going to let a powerful, nuclear-armed islamic state (who are close allies with china) give safe haven to a highly wanted terrorist and his flunkies?

The Pakistani government should expect several tons of High-explosive "Freedom and Democracy" to be laser-guided onto them from 15,000 feet any day now.

Abluegreen7
14th September 2008, 19:30
Did Bush declare Pakistan to be apart of the Axis of Terror yet?

Comrade B
14th September 2008, 19:51
Do you actually think the American Bourgeoisie (let's not forget who is really in power here) are going to let a powerful, nuclear-armed islamic state (who are close allies with china) give safe haven to a highly wanted terrorist and his flunkies?For a long time the US has known that Al Quida's leaders are mostly in Pakistan, every now and then, the US goes in and grabs a trophy, killing 10-20 civilians and maybe 1 or 2 actual terrorists, but they have never seriously searched the country, then go back to working on redistributing the denationalized oil industry of Iraq to the leading companies and the companies with the most money invested in them by the Bush administration.

There is honestly very little care for human life in the Bush administration. They see hurricanes and terrorism as opportunity. They couldn't care less for those people that died in the towers, we can see this by how little they provided for those who became sick after working in and around the buildings shortly after they were hit, but they are more than happy to show the pictures at their convention. My point is, the US doesn't care if something is reckless, stupid, or pure evil. If the leaders profit, they see it is a win because they believe in trickle down economy. To profit they must stay in power, and to stay in power, they have to convince enough people that they really do care, even if they don't.

Abluegreen7
14th September 2008, 19:53
Comrade B. That sums up my thoughts completely.

Pirate turtle the 11th
15th September 2008, 20:00
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7396366.stm

Abluegreen7
15th September 2008, 20:49
I say Pakistan should invest in some land mines. A United States soldier tries to cross the border... Boom! :laugh:

spartan
15th September 2008, 22:50
Pakistani troops fire on US troops near Afghan border!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/15/pakistan.afghanistan1

Also see Comrade Joe's link above.

Comrade B
15th September 2008, 23:39
American politicians are complete idiots if they think that Pakistan won't react angrily to this.

Chapaev
16th September 2008, 00:38
The people of Pakistan should unite to repel the predatory imperialist aggression against their country. The United States must pay dearly for having created an explosive situation in the region.

Chapaev
17th September 2008, 19:36
The USA has massacred 7 more Pakistanis. This has to be the tenth such incident this month alone. Clearly the USA is preparing to transform Pakistan into Kampuchea.



Wednesday, September 17, 2008
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=55545
Suspected U.S. drones fired four missiles Wednesday in a northwestern Pakistani tribal area near the Afghan border killing 7 people while 3 others were injured, officials said.

"Four missiles were fired by suspected U.S. drones in Baghar Cheena area in the restive South Waziristan on Wednesday evening," a senior security official told a foreign news agency.

U.S. operated spy planes continued their flights in Wana and other territories