How do Anarchists know so much about economics?

[RadioRaheem84]

There was a huge debate on another forum I was on between an anarchist and a right-libertarian. The libertarian was taking on a slew of marxists and social democrats with fancy charts and presupposing his own rhetoric as factual Economics 101. Yet, the Anarchist smashed him.

It seems that Anarchists deal with economics head first, more so atleast than Marxists who deal with it from a socio-philosophical standpoint. Are there any other other anarchists, left-libertarian economist authors out there that rain on the capitalist parade?

[Clyde45]

The only people who truly understand economics are capitalists as they realize just how great the capitalist system works. (I'm not capitalist, dont ban me)

[Bilan]

We don't ban capitalists, we restrict them. Enjoy it. Unless you can demonstrate you're an anti-capitalists.

[mikelepore]

Yet, the Anarchist smashed him

Maybe that person read a library book. It's not that difficult to learn new subjects.

[Plagueround]

There was a huge debate on another forum I was on between an anarchist and a right-libertarian. The libertarian was taking on a slew of marxists and social democrats with fancy charts and presupposing his own rhetoric as factual Economics 101. Yet, the Anarchist smashed him.

For the same reason that Heston freaked out when he found out what Soylent Green was, but only one of the people that manufactured it saw anything wrong. Once you know the system inside and out you accept it or reject it. :)

[Black Sheep]

It seems that Anarchists deal with economics head first, more so atleast than Marxists who deal with it from a socio-philosophical standpoint.
I d say it is exactly the opposite,that marxists emphasize on the economic aspects and anarchists are much more idealists.

[Q]

The only people who truly understand economics are capitalists as they realize just how great the capitalist system works. (I'm not capitalist, dont ban me)

If anyone would not understand capitalism outside their narrowminded view of making a buck, then it would be the capitalists.

[spice756]

There was a huge debate on another forum I was on between an anarchist and a right-libertarian. The libertarian was taking on a slew of marxists and social democrats with fancy charts and presupposing his own rhetoric as factual Economics 101. Yet, the Anarchist smashed him.


I wish some one here would do the same to these guys they are so ultra conservative to the extreme.

http://forums.techguy.org/62-civilized-debate/

http://forums.techguy.org/26-random-discussion/

Just look at those posts :crying:

[Wake Up]

I d say it is exactly the opposite,that marxists emphasize on the economic aspects and anarchists are much more idealists.

Well Marxists are the ones that somehow believe that a vanguard won't lead to corruption... So really they're the idealists here.
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[Black Sheep]

Well Marxists are the ones that somehow believe that a vanguard won't lead to corruption... So really they're the idealists here.
No, i meant that anarchists focus on the more indivudual and his/her inherent morality to "do good",while marxists are more deterministic.

[Incendiarism]

I like what both anarchists and marxists have to say about economics.

[Black Sheep]

I like what both anarchists and marxists have to say about economics.

:confused:
Considering that the economic systems they promote are contradictory, could you explain yourself?

[revolution inaction]

:confused:
Considering that the economic systems they promote are contradictory, could you explain yourself?

It depends on which maxists and which anarchists you are talking about, some marxists are vary close to anarchists-communism

[Incendiarism]

I can't be open-minded? I don't find dogmatism very attractive, and I used to be an ardent anarchist. I try to read and find common ground in what I read, to make for more flexibility.

It is possible to agree on points concerning capitalism with both marxists and anarchists, and that can be seen clearly on the board.

[The Douche]

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Considering that the economic systems they promote are contradictory, could you explain yourself?

No the economic system advocated by Marx is identical to the one advocated my anarchist-communist. And there are a large number of anarchists who draw largely from Marx's economic work.

This is silly to say anarchists know economics better than marxists it is clearly a person by person basis. There are marxists on here who are brilliant economists and anarchists on par with them. There are marxists who are master of the philosophical element and anarchists who match them.

[GPDP]

I agree. I used to oppose Marxism quite ardently, but there is definitely common ground, and I've since realized that sectarianism is millions of times worse than even the most despotic form of Marxism. Well, maybe not, but you get my drift.

Also, I second the link to this discussion.

[#FF0000]

The only anarchist I can think of that tangled with economics head-on was PJ Proudhon. I honestly can't think of many others. Maybe I'm just tired.

It's also possible that the Anarchist got their critique of capitalism from people who weren't anarchists at all. A lot of people write critically on modern capitalism and neoliberalism. What kind of arguments was that anarchist making? EDIT: Thirding a link to this discussion. Good thing I caught this bandwagon on time!


No, i meant that anarchists focus on the more indivudual and his/her inherent morality to "do good",while marxists are more deterministic.

:confused:
Considering that the economic systems they promote are contradictory, could you explain yourself?

I don't think you understand Anarchism much at all. I'm a pretty hardcore determinist and materialist and I'm an anarchist. I also don't believe in anything "inherent" in humans (other than a drive to survive and reproduce), from morality to anything else. That isn't necessary for anarchism.

Anarchists also don't promote a contradictory economic system to Socialism. All anarchists are socialists of some kind. One could look at it as Anarchists and Marxists promote contradictory political system, though, but that's assuming all Marxists agree on how a the political system should work...etc.