Bolivia, US and Venezuela expelling ambassadors!

[spartan]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7610915.stm

So Bolivia expels the US ambassador to their country, the US responds by expelling the Bolivian ambassador to the US and Chavez responds by expelling the US ambassador to Venezuela whilst recalling his own ambassador in the US!:lol:

These tit for tat political games are really childish and do absolutely nothing for either country.

Don't get me wrong I support the decisions of both Bolivia and Venezuela (though obviously not the US) but I still don't see what this does for them?

Does anyone know the significance of all this?

I do know that Bolivia has accused the US ambassador in their country of openly supporting the predominately European origin Bolivians who make up the opposition to Morales.

[BIG BROTHER]

I feel the same way man, taking ambassadors away doesn't really affect either country.

[JimmyJazz]

I do know that Bolivia has accused the US ambassador in their country of openly supporting the predominately European origin Bolivians who make up the opposition to Morales.

The Bolivian opposition isn't just some electoral opposition group, they are trying to get the richest regions of Bolivia to literally declare autonomy from the rest of the country.

[spartan]

The Bolivian opposition isn't just some electoral opposition group, they are trying to get the richest regions of Bolivia to literally declare autonomy from the rest of the country.
Yeah I know.

But expelling the US ambassador isn't going to make a damn bit of difference except that it allows the western media to paint the picture that Morales is a nutter who is going against popular demand (which couldn't be further from the truth seeing as the majority of Bolivians, who are indigenous, support him).

[JimmyJazz]

Depends on what he (the ambassador) was doing, exactly. The Western media will paint Morales as an irrational nut no matter what he does though.

[Prairie Fire]

Does anyone know the significance of all this?



Recalling ambassadors/severing diplomatic ties could be a sign of imminent conflict.

[spartan]

Depends on what he (the ambassador) was doing, exactly. The Western media will paint Morales as an irrational nut no matter what he does though.
Aye 'tis true that unfortunately.


Recalling ambassadors/severing diplomatic ties could be a sign of imminent conflict.

I hope to god that isn't the case.

Though I doubt the US has the guts to do this as it's people are getting pretty apathetic with war as it is (Bush, McCain or Obama might be playing the same card a bit to often for the American people's liking if they did indeed invade another country).

[ajs2007]

As I posted in the Morales wins the referendum thread, the oligarchy have escalated the conflict in the last few days, especially in Santa Cruz province. This has produced a response among the workers and peasants. There's a good article about the latest developments on the In Defence of Marxism website based on reports from IMT members in Bolivia.

The US Ambassador has been expelled because he was openly plotting with the prefect of Santa Cruz province against the Morales Government. At last Morales is taking action, he has described these events as an attempted coup. It reflects the growing internal crisis in Bolivia although I don't think it presages war between the US and Bolivia not least because the loyalty of the Bolivian armed forces to President Morales is not guaranteed.

More to the point, the next few weeks, perhaps even next few days, are going to be decisive for the struggle in Bolivia. There are moves for the masses to march on Santa Cruz, for example, and also rumours of the oligarchy preparing a coup against Morales. We should prepare to help and give solidarity as best we can.

[Charles Xavier]

Yeah I know.

But expelling the US ambassador isn't going to make a damn bit of difference except that it allows the western media to paint the picture that Morales is a nutter who is going against popular demand (which couldn't be further from the truth seeing as the majority of Bolivians, who are indigenous, support him).

The US is funding, leading, and organizing opposition groups. The Oligarchs in Bolivia receive orders from abroad.

[Mindtoaster]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7610915.stm

So Bolivia expels the US ambassador to their country, the US responds by expelling the Bolivian ambassador to the US and Chavez responds by expelling the US ambassador to Venezuela whilst recalling his own ambassador in the US!:lol:

These tit for tat political games are really childish and do absolutely nothing for either country.

Don't get me wrong I support the decisions of both Bolivia and Venezuela (though obviously not the US) but I still don't see what this does for them?

Does anyone know the significance of all this?

I do know that Bolivia has accused the US ambassador in their country of openly supporting the predominately European origin Bolivians who make up the opposition to Morales.

Hmmm? I was under the impression that Chavez kicked out the US ambassador because Venezuela just uncovered an American back coup plot against him?

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/3786

[spartan]

Hmmm? I was under the impression that Chavez kicked out the US ambassador because Venezuela just uncovered an American back coup plot against him?

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/3786
Well all other media outlets are reporting it as a show of solidarity by Chavez for Bolivia.

I haven't heard of this story which you have linked to so thanks for bringing it to my attention.

[bayano]

read much of the history of US ambassadors, and you find there is a lot they tend to get directly involved in. they often participate directly in the funding of rightist groups that resist progressive and radical governments, they talk strategy and give guidance. there is a great deal that a US embassy and ambassador can do, and removing them makes it that much more difficult for the US to guide and collude with their local compradors/collaborationists.

it can be different with the venezuelan US Embassy, and i think its a setback that Chavez recalled the ven ambassador in the US, as the venezuelan embassy and consulates do a great deal to try to resist the capitalist news media offensives against chavez in the eyes of the US public

[Ramachandra]

I feel that this is a courage's attempt made both by venezuala and bolivia.The US ambassadors often go out from their limits this is not only happened in Bolivia but the majority of third world countries experience this.But unfortunately many third world leaders don't have the guts/strength to oppose such unjust interfierenses either coz they are not ready to struggle with imperialism or coz the economic dependence to the US.I'mm not sure how this will end but I definitely support Morales.His approach to combat with imperialist mediations instead of kneel in front of it sets an great example for the entire oppressed third world masses.

[Comrade B]

The damn fool American Ambassador was encouraging anti-government militant movement in Bolivia. To hell with the bastard.

[Sendo]

I don't think Venezuela will let the rightists take over, but I'm worried that the conflict will drain a poor country like Bolivia and part of the US plan to pump up the right and let the leftist govt collapse under itself. It would be very useful in the US's constant propaganda war against the world and its own populace.

I'm sure the media will spin this to make it seem like cries for freedom. Showing only white faces of course, perpetuating the myth that racial tensions are dead, the Indians are dead, and what a few white vice-royal descendants want is what everyone wants.

[Sendo]

this is like some cross between Caracas 2002 and Guatemala 1954. Luckily Bolivia is landlocked and can't get hit by the newly recomissioned 4th (?) Navy Fleet.

[Djehuti]

The damn fool American Ambassador was encouraging anti-government militant movement in Bolivia. To hell with the bastard.

Philip Goldberg is the man the US send when they wish to create these kinds of situations, he is an expert on dividing countries.

That man is dangerous.

[Abluegreen7]

I say burn down the American Embassy. It will send more of a message than just expelling the Ambassador.

[RedScare]

I say burn down the American Embassy. It will send more of a message than just expelling the Ambassador.
The Serbs did that not too long ago, and what came of it? Nothing.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

bomb your local US embassy