Great treatment of POW's - What a nice dictator...

[Invader Zim]

Please read...

Iraqi treatment of POW's (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003131811,00.html)

The coilition forces have over 2000 pows and a guy called Dan (from my school) says why dont we treat them like that?

Personally i think we should not because moral standards should be kept up... Ie the Ganeva convention. Which evidentaly Saddam Ignores.

[Ghost Writer]

Sickening, but it does provide vindication for the war effort we are engaged in. It is this kind of disrespect for human life that is being used as a reason to oust the current Iraqi regime. Hopefully, Saddam suffers from severe internal bleeding before he dies. I hope he is still conscious, but dependent on life support equipment to survive. My bet is that it will be one of his own people that unplugs him.

[Chiak47]

How could 1 not justify taking this scumbag out.
Do you people really think he has a fighting chance?
Why cause he is holding a few Americans and a couple accidents occured?
Loose grip on reality?

damn so many questions.

I say bring back public flogging.

Between that and the Chem weapons the 3rd Inf found today

[El Che]

I find all this talk of the Geneva convention, on the part of the Americans, very intriguing given what we`ve seen in Cuba`s Guantanamo Base regrading the Afgan prisoners.

Yes, POWs should definatly be treated humanly but the US should not be the first to cry wolf.

[kylie]

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[Chiak47]

Public flogging?Hell it would make for a great saturday night.

Who care's.He gassed his own people for shit's and giggle's

[kylie]

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[Chiak47]

You know that last post of your is right on the money.
Who cares if he gassed his own people.He didnt gas anyone I love or know so it's ok..right?

And if I did something that deserved a flogging than so be it.
I can accept my punishment and my loved ones would also.

[kylie]

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[Chiak47]

empathy-Thats some of that hold hands sing kumbaya shit huh?

Worked in cambodia.It won't work in Chicago.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from feoric on 1:08 pm on Mar. 24, 2003

The coilition forces have over 2000 pows and a guy called Dan (from my school) says why dont we treat them like that?
we do. its just unlike the iraqi regime, we dont parade it for our enemies to see.

AK47 why are you allowed in the commie club? your view seem to be more like those of the capitalists of the board.

It is this kind of disrespect for human life that is being used as a reason to oust the current Iraqi regime.
see the above point. we will be installing a system that is just as disrespectful, only in different ways.

Do you people really think he has a fighting chance?

of course not, its just a question of what happens in between. i dont think anyone here really beleives he is going to defeat the american and british forces.
but do you really think he would say otherwise?

I say bring back public flogging.

and that would acheive what?


You damn right im allowd in the commi club. I have done nothing wrong. I also am leftist, just because i support the removal of a facist dictator does not mean i cant be leftist.

[Moondog]

I'm sure we treat pows we take like shit. There are written reports on it. Just over a year ago we aided in the slaughter of over 800 al Quaeda pows. Look it up. Theres even talk of american police departments adopting israeli torture techniques. Pressure points and sleep dep and such.

[redstar2000]

It seems to be that Iraq would be perfectly justified in putting American-British-Australian POWs into animal cages...just like the U.S. does.

Also, since we know the U.S. forces in Afghanistan beat a couple of Taliban POWs to death...well, draw your own conclusions.

:cool:

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from redstar2000 on 4:15 pm on Mar. 24, 2003
It seems to be that Iraq would be perfectly justified in putting American-British-Australian POWs into animal cages...just like the U.S. does.

Also, since we know the U.S. forces in Afghanistan beat a couple of Taliban POWs to death...well, draw your own conclusions.

:cool:

Yes but at least the US gov does not film it then laugh at them, and publically humiliate them...

[Just Joe]

would you prefer to be filmed, or beaten to death?

your intelligence declines by the day.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Just Joe on 4:28 pm on Mar. 24, 2003
would you prefer to be filmed, or beaten to death?

your intelligence declines by the day.

Well as the iraqi's do both to their prisoners it does not really make a differance.

Tell me is ignorance really bliss?

[Just Joe]

Quote: from AK47 on 4:39 pm on Mar. 24, 2003

Quote: from Just Joe on 4:28 pm on Mar. 24, 2003
would you prefer to be filmed, or beaten to death?

your intelligence declines by the day.

Tell me is ignorance really bliss?

you should know. you've ignored every argument about Ireland for weeks since i asked you your opinion on your 'statistics' and your views on partition.

[Hampton]

It is this kind of disrespect for human life that is being used as a reason to oust the current Iraqi regime.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2825575.stm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/st...,909164,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,909164,00.html)

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/LAW/03/03/cnna.Dershowitz/

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/patbuch...b20030310.shtml (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/pb20030310.shtml)

Dan Mitrione: The precise pain, in the precise place, in the precise amount, for the desired effect (http://www-personal.umich.edu/~lormand/poli/soa/uruguay.htm)

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Just Joe on 4:50 pm on Mar. 24, 2003

Quote: from AK47 on 4:39 pm on Mar. 24, 2003

Quote: from Just Joe on 4:28 pm on Mar. 24, 2003
would you prefer to be filmed, or beaten to death?

your intelligence declines by the day.

Tell me is ignorance really bliss?

you should know. you've ignored every argument about Ireland for weeks since i asked you your opinion on your 'statistics' and your views on partition.


I did not ignore them i simply disagree with some of them You and happy guy convinced me of many things, howevey the necessaty of the IRA is not one...

[Mazdak]

The US violated geneva conventions on numerous occasions. I must call into question the accuracy of these reports, for we already know about the Taliban's "gassed dog" hoax.

However, the soldiers left their human rights at the border, Iraq can do as it pleases, i would take no prisoners if i were in their position. Human rights belong to humans, not murderers.

[Tkinter1]

Those Al-qaeda 'warriors' are considered illegal combatants, and are not protected by the geneva convention. Calling them POW's is a misnomer. Saying they have rights is pure stupidity.

My question is, why are you defending them?? Is your hate for America that strong that you would defend the 'rights' of terrorists, just becuase they're in the hands of Americans?





(Edited by Tkinter1 at 8:41 pm on Mar. 24, 2003)

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Mazdak on 8:38 pm on Mar. 24, 2003
The US violated geneva conventions on numerous occasions. I must call into question the accuracy of these reports, for we already know about the Taliban's "gassed dog" hoax.

However, the soldiers left their human rights at the border, Iraq can do as it pleases, i would take no prisoners if i were in their position. Human rights belong to humans, not murderers.


Then what should stalins rights have been??? Or are you simply being a hypocrit...

[Hampton]

Using the words "illegal combatants" and actually believing what Bush says is pure stupidity.

Tell me what is the difference between a POW and an "illegal combatant" besides that the one has no rights? It's no supporting the rights of people who hate America, it's for supporting human rights in general. I wish the same humane treatment for the American POWs in Iraq and to those who are in Cuba under US rule. I just think that it's bullshit when the American government comes out against torture when they have been guilty of teaching it (School of Americas anyone?) and doing it themselves.

[Tkinter1]

"Using the words "illegal combatants" and actually believing what Bush says is pure stupidity."

A. It's not from bush, he didn't invent that term.

B. They are illegal combatants.

"Tell me what is the difference between a POW and an "illegal combatant" besides that the one has no rights?"

The geneva convention doesn't define terrorists as 'legal' combatants.

"I just think that it's bullshit when the American government comes out against torture when they have been guilty of teaching it (School of Americas anyone?) and doing it themselves."

Agreed.

[El Che]

"Is your hate for America that strong that you would defend the 'rights' of terrorists (...)"

According to Tkinter1 some human beings under certain circumstances have no rights. This is medival mentality. This is an extreme right wing view shared by the Bush adminstration, an extreme right wing goverment. They believe its okay, on occasion, to deny people any rights because it suits their interests, because they "are not US citizens" or for any other reason they might give. The reason doesn`t matter, what matters is that there are reasons that justify the rightless state of a person.

"Those Al-qaeda 'warriors' are considered illegal combatants"

Oh really? Are considered by who? What is an illegal combatant? Illegal in the face of what law? Lol. It`s such a stupid lie it`s hard to believe people take it seriously. It`s simply not true. Kind of like the claim that there is sufficiente authorisation for the use of force in the first resolution passed by the security council.

Firstly the majority of the people captured were Taliban not Al-qaeda, secondly all of them should be treated humanly and presumed inocente until proven guilty.

[Xvall]

Chiak47:

How could 1 not justify taking this scumbag out.

How could '1' justify dropping thousands of bombs and killing thousands of innocent individuals in order to take one scumbag out. There are an extraordinary amount of scumbags in this world; many of them are members of Congress. However, I doubt you would approve of me carpet bombing Washington DC.

Do you people really think he has a fighting chance?

Apparently he does. I am sure that if he didn't, the war would have ended by now. As you may have noticed. This has yet to happen. The Iraqi military continues to stand in defiance the the United States military campaign, despite the excessive dammage that they are inflicting on the Iraqi population.

Why cause he is holding a few Americans and a couple accidents occured?

Sorry. I have no idea what you are attempting to say.

Loose grip on reality?

See above.

I say bring back public flogging.

How democratic of you. Yes; let us prove we are better than those evil tyrants by beating people in public.

Between that and the Chem weapons the 3rd Inf found today

Notice; chemical weapons found. Likely because the United States decided to go on invading Iraq before the United Nations Inspectors even finished their jobs. Keep in mind that these chemica weapons were found; not used on the poor American soldiers like you said that evil dictator would.

Public flogging?Hell it would make for a great saturday night.

You are insane.

Who care's.He gassed his own people for shit's and giggle's

And we blew up 200,000 Japanese civilians, 2,000,000 Vietnamese, and enslaved and murdered thousands of natives. I suppose we should have a regime change here as well. Saudi Arabia has done things just as bad, if not worse, as the Iraqi regime; and they are a United States ally.

You know that last post of your is right on the money. Who cares if he gassed his own people.He didnt gas anyone I love or know so it's ok..right?

No; but I'm sure you would be pissed off if you found out that a two ton explosive landed on your family's house; blowing them to pieces. Of course it is not ok; but niether is decimating an entire population. If you want to liberate the people of Iraq, bombing them is most certainly not the route to go.

And if I did something that deserved a flogging than so be it.

Flogging is a rather primitive, unncecesarry, and ineddicient way to adminiter psychological reformation or punishment.

I can accept my punishment and my loved ones would also.

I doubt they would be estatic about the idea, though.

empathy-Thats some of that hold hands sing kumbaya shit huh?

Yeah. Kumbaya shit.

Worked in cambodia.It won't work in Chicago.

It didn't work in Cambodia or Vietnam; the war lasted ten years. The government doesn't care what the popular opinion is. If they did, we wouldn't be at war right now.

[Invader Zim]

Umm this topic has warped from what it was supposed to be initially.. It was supposed to be about the torture and murder of coilition POW at the hands of the lackys of Saddam...

[Tkinter1]

"This is an extreme right wing view shared by the Bush adminstration, an extreme right wing goverment."

LOL. Shut up.

They believe its okay, on occasion, to deny people any rights because it suits their interests, because they "are not US citizens" or for any other reason they might give.

How about to protect real innocent people, Like civilians? And why did you quote "not US citizens", did I say that? And not "any person", only defined illegal combatants.

"The reason doesn`t matter, what matters is that there are reasons that justify the rightless state of a person. "

Ok?

"Oh really? Are considered by who? What is an illegal combatant? Illegal in the face of what law? Lol."

The geneva convention, and common sense. People who don't respect other human beings, and who know about people who don't respect other human beings have willfully given up their rights.

"Firstly the majority of the people captured were Taliban not Al-qaeda"

The Taliban, I(grudgingly) agree(although they are all guilty of war crimes). But the Al-Qaeda terrorists...nah.

"secondly all of them should be treated humanly and presumed inocente until proven guilty"

LOL. They're already guilty. They were guilty once they became affiliated and practiced with the guilty organizations.

(Edited by Tkinter1 at 9:32 pm on Mar. 24, 2003)


(Edited by Tkinter1 at 9:35 pm on Mar. 24, 2003)

[Invader Zim]

One thing that is quite amuzing is the number of leftists who support the death of Allied soldures and call them murderers. However i always thought that the left was anti death centance. Even if im wrong it is most certainly right wing idiology.

Also you say that those who died diserved to as they were murderers and you talk about pulling triggars etc and killers. But these captured soldures were technitions they fix stuff. They dont shoot guns.. It really shows who bothered to read the source!

LOL

[El Che]

"And why did you quote "not US citizens", did I say that?"

No, but someone did. Lol.

I think the other points pretty much answer themselves.

[Disgustipated]

You wanna talk about the Geneva Conventions?

How about where it says that a force won't attack and/or kill a retreating army or force.

Take a look at the Mile of Death. We butchered every living thing on Iraqi exodus out of Kuwait.

Lots of double standards methinks.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Disgustipated on 9:50 pm on Mar. 24, 2003
You wanna talk about the Geneva Conventions?

How about where it says that a force won't attack and/or kill a retreating army or force.



Does it say that? I was never aware that the genever convention banned attacking a retreating opposition. Because thats completely illogical. I mean in war its either attacking, retreating or stailmate...

Im not saying your not right it just seems a little dumb.